The five cars that you DO NOT want in GT6.
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So, five cars I don't want in GT6... I see a lot of X1's and Tank Cars, and seriously I don't get it. I mean, if we can only say five cars we REALLY don't want in GT6, this would be my list:
Edit: Actually, forget what I just said. All of those would be the ultimate trolling cars. Imagine going full throttle down Döttinger Höhe in your Lamborghini Miurcillardodor (?) and suddently being overtaken by a high-heeled shoe
Haha! Those are just stoopid!!
EDIT: On second thought, I think they would be fun!
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I had respect for you, which you earned on the racetrack, but... If you want to get rid of the Ken Mari Skyline GT-R, you're going to have to go through 90% of the drifting community.
But, Toronado makes a good point. Why isn't there a premium NB Miata? I love those things. Especially when I'm not losing to one at an autocross event.
And, finally, why does this thread still exist? Every day, someone creates an annoying argument; fact is, we'll never agree. Let's just not get rid of cars.
The one thing I think we can agree on: I think this game needs more Aston Martin. I think this game needs more Holden. I think this game needs more Aussie Ford. I think this game needs more Opel (especially a premium Carlton) and this game needs more 90s Lexus premiums. Summarized, we need more. Not complaints about having more. Why choose to have less of a good thing?
You could just stop reading and posting in this thread, I think you've already made your opinion quite clear. No need to keep coming back and saying the same thing over and over.
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- Anything even related to the X1. Things like that, while fun at the beginning to completely destroy the opposition, quickly grow old.
- Priii. (Or anything like that, the ugly boxy hybrid format. Other hybrids, like the Porsche Panamera Hybrid are fine.)
- Any regional differences that don't change the car, such as Vitz/Yarises, Lutecia/Clio, Miata/MX-5/Eunos Roadsters.
- Anything by Hyundai. I simply detest the company and its ugly concept cars.
- Scion. It's in there with its few crappy-looking cars that will hopefully never make it to England. Get it out, please, PD.
You may notice that I never mentioned Skylines or NSXs or S2000s. Well, surprisingly, I've never been bugged by them. Right now in my UCD I have a '99 and '01 NSX, they don't bother me at all. They're cars that are different, not just regional name swaps. Name swaps are annoying and should go, but cars that differ by just one year or one spec change are fine with me.
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Okay Simon, as soon as I get this pointless and useless and annoying thread closed, I'll stop posting here.
Imagine, though, if there were nice cars in the game. Wouldn't it be awesome? Oh, yeah, most of the nicest cars in the game are standards, with lots of dupes.
Dupes aren't an enemy. Stop pretending to dislike a car, because there are a lot of them. This isn't the "Real Rare Car Collection Game." This is the "Real Driving Simulator." Forgive me, or not, BUT I refuse to allow you to try to get rid of a car, because it's common, either in real life, or in the game.
Imagine, though, if there were nice cars in the game. Wouldn't it be awesome? Oh, yeah, most of the nicest cars in the game are standards, with lots of dupes.
Dupes aren't an enemy. Stop pretending to dislike a car, because there are a lot of them. This isn't the "Real Rare Car Collection Game." This is the "Real Driving Simulator." Forgive me, or not, BUT I refuse to allow you to try to get rid of a car, because it's common, either in real life, or in the game.
That's not how a forum works. This is a valid thread and if you don't agree with it or find it annoying, stop opening it and stop posting in it. If people want to post cars they don't want in the game there is nothing you can do to stop them. Deal with it or stop moaning.
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A true gentleman let's the lady out of the door, first. It's okay to leave, Simon. Go take your frustrations out on some Minecraft nincompoop. Until then, my opinion is even more valid than yours, which, on larger scale, is horribly out of place in the modern world, where every car is a copy of the other. You want to complain about dupes? Go outside, for once, and notice that every car you see is a Honda Civic. Then, while you're outside, realize that there are more Civics on any other racetrack, than there are Corvettes, Vipers, and Paganis. But, yet, you complain about the realism of a game... A realistic game would have you stuck in one car, for your entire... Year, season, or maybe even a decade. Hypocrisy leads to nothing.
You say that you want more regional representation, but, you say that you want to get rid of cars? Why? Why bother?
I'll show you something... In my UCD, right now, 2 cars are Italian (and one is a 1972 FIAT 500), a British Lotus Elise, two French cars (which are both good fun to drive), and two American cars (and one is a Dodge Ram).
Why have those cars in the game? Why not? Why not have any car in the game? Why? What possible reason, except some pedantic, and ridiculous suggestionable theory about regional representation, by destroying the game?
How can you possibly want to destroy the choice we have? Do you know how many cars you're planning to just "delete?" Will you not get bored, when they decide... Not to put new cars in, and just focus on taking cars out?
Why? Why does it matter, if we have a choice as to whether or not we drive those cars? We can choose not to drive the Priuses, or we can choose to drive them as we choose. I like my Prius TC. I like all of the TCs. I like the Daihatsu Midget. At least it knows what it's doing, as you don't seem to. You don't seem to realize that, in essence, you're taking away from GT5's longevity. Without cars which are different, or unique, why would you come back to this? Ever played a Need For Speed game, where every car feels the same? You want to have just one car? Delete the rest? No! Never! I'll take my 2000+ cars, I'm hoping to see, and I'll be happy.
You seem to be needlessly unhappy. Why? ...maybe because you don't value GT5's incredible roster of cars, completely. Maybe you just rant, without sitting down, and driving every car in the game, on every track, in a new way, everytime. Until you're faster than I am, in every single car in GT5, you're just selling off on a good thing. Seriously, go on, and drive every car. Don't post here, until you have... You're yet to realize the reason why GT5 has so many cars; to keep the player interested.
You say that you want more regional representation, but, you say that you want to get rid of cars? Why? Why bother?
I'll show you something... In my UCD, right now, 2 cars are Italian (and one is a 1972 FIAT 500), a British Lotus Elise, two French cars (which are both good fun to drive), and two American cars (and one is a Dodge Ram).
Why have those cars in the game? Why not? Why not have any car in the game? Why? What possible reason, except some pedantic, and ridiculous suggestionable theory about regional representation, by destroying the game?
How can you possibly want to destroy the choice we have? Do you know how many cars you're planning to just "delete?" Will you not get bored, when they decide... Not to put new cars in, and just focus on taking cars out?
Why? Why does it matter, if we have a choice as to whether or not we drive those cars? We can choose not to drive the Priuses, or we can choose to drive them as we choose. I like my Prius TC. I like all of the TCs. I like the Daihatsu Midget. At least it knows what it's doing, as you don't seem to. You don't seem to realize that, in essence, you're taking away from GT5's longevity. Without cars which are different, or unique, why would you come back to this? Ever played a Need For Speed game, where every car feels the same? You want to have just one car? Delete the rest? No! Never! I'll take my 2000+ cars, I'm hoping to see, and I'll be happy.
You seem to be needlessly unhappy. Why? ...maybe because you don't value GT5's incredible roster of cars, completely. Maybe you just rant, without sitting down, and driving every car in the game, on every track, in a new way, everytime. Until you're faster than I am, in every single car in GT5, you're just selling off on a good thing. Seriously, go on, and drive every car. Don't post here, until you have... You're yet to realize the reason why GT5 has so many cars; to keep the player interested.
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So ironic that the person with 100+ posts in this thread wants it closed. This is hilarious.
What on earth are you talking about? Where have I complained about realism relating to the car list?
Why bother? Because three identical cars with different names adds nothing to the game. Nothing.
What has that example of cars got to do with anything? Where have I suggested random, unique cars be removed except the X cars, for other reasons?
No, I don't know how many cars I'm planning to delete, you see to thought. Have I actually said which cars I want removing? As for not putting new cars in and focusing on taking them out, where have you got that ridiculous notion from? What possible reason do you have for thinking they would do that?
Really, you're talking in riddles now. What do you mean I don't know what the Midget is doing, exactly?
Um, that's exactly what I want, unique cars, and the opposite of what you're suggesting I want, to remove pointless duplicates? I'm further confused by your rambling.
Yeah you're right, that's exactly what I said I wanted, 1 car. That's definitely what I suggested.
Yeah you're right, I don't value it. Maybe I should take a Renault Clio out for a drive followed by a Renault Lutecia, I'll definitely appreciate both cars and think they should both be in the game then.
Oh right, now I have to be faster than you are in every single car? And the reason GT5 has so many cars is to keep the player interested, even though most of them don't do that because they're the same as each other?
Seriously, I don't even know how to reply to your comments now, they're completely senseless.
That's what I mean, every time someone posts a list of cars they don't want in the game he turns up and posts the same thing over and over, you can't delete any cars, your opinion is silly blah blah blah. If he doesn't like that people want cars removing he needs to stop opening the thread and posting the same thing over and over.
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No. I'm showing you (and so many others) why unique cars need to stay. You think the people in France care what their car is called? The Clio and Lutecia are both French... The French, and people who like hot hatches, will definitely want to see their car stay in the game.
What you're saying, is that you only need a few, drastically different cars. Therefore, I'll say this: If you can find a list of ten cars, that caters to everyone's interest, then, fine, you have a valid point. But, if we're going to limit the number of possibilities, why not consider how utterly boring a game would be, no matter what, if it only had ten cars.
What you're saying, is that you only need a few, drastically different cars. Therefore, I'll say this: If you can find a list of ten cars, that caters to everyone's interest, then, fine, you have a valid point. But, if we're going to limit the number of possibilities, why not consider how utterly boring a game would be, no matter what, if it only had ten cars.
Again, I've never said unique cars need to go except for the X cars and I don't get where you're getting that I only need a few drastically different cars. That's exactly the opposite of what I'm saying. What I've said is that pointless duplicates that only boost numbers need to go.
The Renault Clio and Renault Lutecia are exactly the same car, it's called the Clio in most of the world but not Japan because Honda own the rights to the world 'Clio' there, so it's called the Lutecia. We don't need both cars in the game because they're exactly the same, just one.
I mean break it right down, let's imagine you've got a game coming out and you say it's got two cars. Or maybe a demo would be a better example. You think ok, I get to try a couple of cars. Then you find one of the cars is a Renault Lutecia, the other is a Renault Clio. They're the same car except the name, you've actually got one car to drive.
Cars like that just boost the number of cars to make it look like there are more cars than there are.
The Renault Clio and Renault Lutecia are exactly the same car, it's called the Clio in most of the world but not Japan because Honda own the rights to the world 'Clio' there, so it's called the Lutecia. We don't need both cars in the game because they're exactly the same, just one.
I mean break it right down, let's imagine you've got a game coming out and you say it's got two cars. Or maybe a demo would be a better example. You think ok, I get to try a couple of cars. Then you find one of the cars is a Renault Lutecia, the other is a Renault Clio. They're the same car except the name, you've actually got one car to drive.
Cars like that just boost the number of cars to make it look like there are more cars than there are.
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All cars should stay if what I said below happens
I don't understand the frustration about all of the different versions of the cars being in the game I'd PD would put in the correct stock setups. But i do understand this a because PD hasn't put in the correct stock setups.
If they put in every model and version of car say the skylines or rx-7s or lancer Evo models and put the correct setups on them let them stay. If they fail to do so then no they should not put them in because it is pointless. I don't care how long it takes them to put that in as long as it is correct.
I don't understand the frustration about all of the different versions of the cars being in the game I'd PD would put in the correct stock setups. But i do understand this a because PD hasn't put in the correct stock setups.
If they put in every model and version of car say the skylines or rx-7s or lancer Evo models and put the correct setups on them let them stay. If they fail to do so then no they should not put them in because it is pointless. I don't care how long it takes them to put that in as long as it is correct.
For me it's rather simple.
Advert - 'GT5 has over 1000 cars'
"Oh great, I get to drive over 1000 cars in a video game, this is going to be awesome"
"Hmm, it seems that a large percentage of that 1000 cars are actually very similar if not identical to each other. There aren't as many different cars as I thought there would be. I'm disappointed a bit, I feel misled."
Meanwhile.....
Advert 'Forza 4 has over 500 cars'
"Hmm, Forza only has 500 cars, a bit disappointing, that isn't as many as GT has".
"Well I'm impressed, it might not have as many as GT5 but the variety is excellent, there aren't many cars that are identical or close to it and there is a much wider variety of manufacturers and models".
Advert - 'GT5 has over 1000 cars'
"Oh great, I get to drive over 1000 cars in a video game, this is going to be awesome"
"Hmm, it seems that a large percentage of that 1000 cars are actually very similar if not identical to each other. There aren't as many different cars as I thought there would be. I'm disappointed a bit, I feel misled."
Meanwhile.....
Advert 'Forza 4 has over 500 cars'
"Hmm, Forza only has 500 cars, a bit disappointing, that isn't as many as GT has".
"Well I'm impressed, it might not have as many as GT5 but the variety is excellent, there aren't many cars that are identical or close to it and there is a much wider variety of manufacturers and models".
I'm not directly bothered by the dupes, it's more the fact they're used to bolster the car list and make it look bigger than it really is. I wouldn't mind the dupes if they were offered as 1 car but you could choose trim/version level and region when you buy it.
But I doubt PD will ever do that because the marketing people wouldn't let them.
But I doubt PD will ever do that because the marketing people wouldn't let them.
Well in that example I'd have it as one car in the car list then you choose which region you buy in the dealership.
So the car list goes from:
1. Renault Sport Lutecia Renault Sport 2.0 16V ’02
2. Renault Sport Clio Renault Sport 2.0 16V ’02
To
1. Renault Sport Clio/Lutecia 2.0 16V ’02
But the Japanese are still happy, they can still have the car in their garage listed as a Lutecia, everyone else has it listed as a Clio. OCD completists can buy both.
Extend this idea across the whole car list and it comes down to a less misleading 600 cars. They could even list it as 600 cars with 1000+ trim & regional variations if they really wanted, I just find it really misleading to include these cars in the overall 'X number of cars' number.
So the car list goes from:
1. Renault Sport Lutecia Renault Sport 2.0 16V ’02
2. Renault Sport Clio Renault Sport 2.0 16V ’02
To
1. Renault Sport Clio/Lutecia 2.0 16V ’02
But the Japanese are still happy, they can still have the car in their garage listed as a Lutecia, everyone else has it listed as a Clio. OCD completists can buy both.
Extend this idea across the whole car list and it comes down to a less misleading 600 cars. They could even list it as 600 cars with 1000+ trim & regional variations if they really wanted, I just find it really misleading to include these cars in the overall 'X number of cars' number.
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Yeah SimonK i do agree with you on Forza's good variety of cars. The problem is like i know you have heard me say before on a wheel GT5 has a way better feel for realism than Forza. If Forza had better physics i would probably be playing it. That's honestly my problem with that game.
I know GT5 isn't perfect on every aspect of it's physics which I demonstrated a few of them on the "FM4 VS. GT5 PHYISICS" thread. And yes i know there is many duplicates of the same cars. Would you agree it would be great to have all the models/specs of every car if the correct setups were on them?
Because if they do not put the correct stock setups (power/torque/lsd/transmission/suspension ect.) then i pretty much agree with you there's no point to have them.
I bet you wonder why I always say "stock setups" all of the time. The reason is because I like to do stock car racing (aka same make races) main reason for that is because the way i see it anyone can beat you with a tune... But with everyone racing the same exact car and beating someone that shows better skill.
Another reason i guess is because GT has always put in a lot of the cars that were iconic (not saying Forza doesn't too). Like the Lancia Delta for example. I was in a lobby and someone said "why did PD put this piece of you know what in GT5"... I replied the reason they put that in was pretty much was a iconic car that was the last car Lancia made before they quit.
I have a few complaints about GT5 but nothing is perfect. I am currently on my 8th account doing the career mode A-Spec ligeit. I love offline racing because the physics are true. Online they are truly crap. That is another thing they should fix.
Sorry if I am turning a little away from the subject at the end just stating a few things maybe you might see eye to eye about
Well to be honest none of that has any relevance to the point, we're talking purely about the car lists, not the overall game. I only used Forza as a comparison because people are well aware of it, I could have used 'Super Made Up Motorsport game' to prove the point I was making.
I see what you're saying about PD needing to actually model the minor differences between models but even if they do I don't want them counted as two cars, it's one car with a slightly different configuration/trim level.
I mean when you go to a showroom to buy a car and the salesman tells you about a few different specs you don't think you're choosing between 5 different cars, do you? No, you're choosing between variations of one different car.
This would only apply to the relevent dupes of course, some of them are more than just a trim/spec variation of the same year/design model so those should count as two+ cars.
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Agreed with them counting them as another separate car. Totally understand. I guess the only other way they could word it would be say as a example "introducing 10 Nissan Skyline R34 specs or Nissan Skyline (10 different specs) " it is still confusing but different. And PD could do the same for all other cars they make duplicates of. Maybe the second one would look better. But i mean either way it's confusing. What do you think?
I mean they honestly should get to wave their arms around if they are duplicates. They should if they were totally different models as in (corvette, colbolt, cavalier, impola)
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Honestly, Forza 4 is superior to GT5 physics wise, if your goal is a realistic driving, you've made the wrong decision between these two, but that's literally a different thread.
The duplicate problem that people are referring to is the exact same car appearing the game multiple times, with at most a different name. There are many blatant examples of this in GT5.
If the cars were actually different, it wouldn't be a problem (although even if the cars were different I think most people would prefer a well rounded car list to 1000 Skylines, some of which may only differ because one model uses a lighter muffler or something)
This will work for some cars, though to be honest I don't know if GT5's physics engine can accurately capture some subtle differences. The race suspension upgrade doesn't even work properly.
I think that's non sense. Firstly, tuning is a skill, secondly there's no magic tune that going to make a car completely destroy something else in its performance bracket, except for a glitch maybe.
That's fine it's not a duplicate. If however, PD counted all the colors as separate car models (which they actually did in GT PSP), that would be going too far.
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