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[Hun200kmh]

Yeah, add "New Jersey 2013" to the tread title! Generally I hate "street Grand Prix" racing so I'm not too excited about this though


(with the exception of Detroit, but that was because I played the track in the original Grand Prix game )

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Hun, I looked up the location when news first broke in August. The western edge of the circuit runs up along a cliff; the eastern edge is down along the waterfront. I think the overall elevation of the circuit would be greater than the elevation in Eau Rouge (though perhaps not the gradient).

 

[SkateNj]

Hun, I looked up the location when news first broke in August. The western edge of the circuit runs up along a cliff; the eastern edge is down along the waterfront. I think the overall elevation of the circuit would be greater than the elevation in Eau Rouge (though perhaps not the gradient).

I live 10 miles away from the proposed course and have gone there many times the proposed circuit will be awesome. The road it uses has massive amounts of elevation changes

 

[prisonermonkeys]

It could be a little smoother, though. Particularly along the waterfront. The roads definately allow for it. Like this. Although the roads do go past a sewage treatment plant at the northen end. Maybe they could call that corner the "Snooki Hairpin" ...

Anyway, I'm curious as to what this race will be called; I think the "New Jersey Grand Prix" lacks punch. It's not in New York or Manhattan, so the "New York Grand Prix" and the "Manhattan Grand Prix" are inappropriate. And since Austin has the rights to the name "United States Grand Prix" (the traditional name for the United States Grand Prix East), it's going to have to be something else (unless Austin is willing to become the "Grand Prix of Texas" or "Lone Star Grand Prix" or whatever, thus freeing up the United States Grand Prix name).

One of the big things we do down here in Australia is the recognition of traditional land owners. If, for example, a second race in Australia were to be held in the town that I was born in, it could be known as the "Dharawal Grand Prix", after the Dharawal Nation. I don't really know what America's stance on recognising Native American land ownership is, but a quick bit of research showed that New Jersey was one Lenape land, and the region is known as Lenapehoking, so perhaps the "Lenapehoking Grand Prix" would be an option (though it sounds very Dutch and not at all associated with America), or maybe the "Algonquin Grand Prix". However, they could be controversial choices.

But I think the name I like most is "Atlantic Grand Prix", since the race is on the Eastern Seaboard, and thus adjacent to the Atlantic Ocean. It's kind of like the old Pacific Grand Prix. It's a good name, but neutral - it doesn't favour one state or city or people.

 

[F1 fan]

Only if you were born in Scotland.

*sighs*.

If your great, great grandfather hadn't been a criminal, we could've been cousins.

Edit:

I'll believe the New Jersey rumours when I see a confirmation. Bernie has been trying to make this happen for decades, but it has always fell through. Kudos if he manages it though. He could still call it the "New York Grand Prix". Considering that Imola was known as the "san marino grand prix".

 

[prisonermonkeys]

He's been working on Russia for longer than New York. He tried to get races in Moscow and New York in 1982-83, but when both fell through, he kept working on Russia for the next thirty years (there were at least three more attempts before Sochi), but he only resumed his aspirations of a race in or near Manhattan recently.

 

[TheBook]

Considering Valencia is the European GP, couldnt the New Joisey () race be called the North American GP?

 

[Ardius]

Speaking of which, is there a flag for "North America"?

 

[F1 fan]

Speaking of which, is there a flag for "North America"?

That's a fair point. I don't think there is. I really don't think FOM are going to spend much time worrying about the name of the race. They'll probably have agreed on a name for the race at COTA. I think the duty will fall to the organizers to name the race (within reason). Perhaps Tavo Hellmund and his team will prepare a list of names that the organizers in New Jersey can't use.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

No, but Indycar are/were considering a second race in Brazil to be known as the "Mercosur Grand Prix", after the common market of South America. Using that logic, would could have NAFTA, the Organisation of American States or North Atlantic Treaty Organisation. But none of them has the same punch as "Mercosur".

 

[Ardius]

Most likely they will simply call it a "New York GP" or "New Jersey GP" or "US Grand Prix East" or whatever like they did in the past.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Yeah, but they're either bland or not really representative. Which is why I like "Atlantic Grand Prix". Or maybe "North Atlantic Grand Prix".

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

It finally came true, I didn't think I'd believe it all that much when I saw the articles talking about a group backing it back during the summer. However, they showed me and I'd be glad to go watch it. New Jersey GP that is.

 

[Wardez]

Hmm, anyone fancy at guessing the GP name? Won't be USGP I don't think so, Atlantic GP?
Was reading the wrong page xD

Anyway, that's not important considering we're having two F1 races in the same year! Bah! I wouldn't be able to decide which I'd rather go to, this is a dream.

 

[Wardez]

Possible layout:

Based on this description from Joe Saward's blog:

the circuit is expected to run on the waterfront to the north of (would you believe, Hamilton Park), climbing up Pershing Road to run along JFK Boulevard before returning to the Hudson level on Anthony M Delfino Way with the pits and paddock area being at Port Imperial

That's just over 3 miles by the way.

Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/ll0pz/possible_circuit_map_of_the_new_jersey_grand_prix/

 

[Pupik]

Back when the CART circuit ran at The Meadowlands (a sports venue with several link roads), which was NJ property with NY as a disguise, they called it The Meadowlands Grand Prix.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Here's a thought: dub the race in New Jersey as the United States Grand Prix, and rename the race in Austin as the Grand Prix of the Americas (since the circuit is the Circuit of the Americas; naming New Jersey the Grand Prix of the Americas would be needlessly-complex).

Based on this description from Joe Saward's blog:

I have no time for Joe Saward of late.

 

[Wardez]

Oh man that's so funny, imagine this:
"And Hamilton - yes! he's got it! - Hamilton's passed for the lead by the Ben and Jerry's !"

But yeah PM, I agree with naming the Austin race, " The Americas GP."

 

[CarolinaBlue704]

Here's a thought: dub the race in New Jersey as the United States Grand Prix, and rename the race in Austin as the Grand Prix of the Americas (since the circuit is the Circuit of the Americas; naming New Jersey the Grand Prix of the Americas would be needlessly-complex)..

I actually like this. But I think the New Jersey race will be named the "New York Grand Prix".

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Oh man that's so funny, imagine this:
"And Hamilton - yes! he's got it! - Hamilton's passed for the lead by the Ben and Jerry's !"

Actually, that massive hairpin at the north end is next to a sewage treatment plant. Therefore, I propose that this corner be known as the "Snooki Hairpin".

 

[Wardez]

lmao, nice ring to that one. Snooki it is. Looks like we have a P.F Chang's pit straight too. xD

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I don't really know what PF Chang's is. I just thought that "Snooki Hairpin" would be an appropriate name because the corner is next to a facility where human waste is treated.

 

[Wardez]

And yes, yes she is.

PF Chang's is a popular mid-level Chinese restaurant franchise.

 

[astrosdude91]

I don't really know what PF Chang's is. I just thought that "Snooki Hairpin" would be an appropriate name because the corner is next to a facility where human waste is treated.

P.F Chang's is a popular American restaurant that serves primarily Chinese cuisine.

Another race announced. So which one will this replace?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Well, South Korea has expressed dissatisfaction with their contract, and they want to rengeotiate after just two years. I don't think Bernie would appreciate that too much, especially given that teams were forced to stay at "love hotels" again this year and the teams had to do their own work on garage decals; Williams apparently found that their drivers were still listed as Rubens Barrichello and Nico Hulkenberg. And then there were the reports that teams were finding year-old food in the catering fridges. It's almost as if Korea locked up the circuit the day after the teams left in 2010, and only opened it up again the day before the teams arrived.

Of course, I reckon the calendar could reasonably hold 25 races if it started a little earier in the season and got rid of the four-week summer break, so maybe no races need to be dropped.

 

[Endless-Wilso]

Isnt this a demonstration race not a actual GP ?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

No, it's a plan for an actual Grand Prix. Nothing to do with the Roadshows.

 

[kimi123]

And yes, yes she is.

PF Chang's is a popular mid-level Chinese restaurant franchise.

Track looks too dirty away from the racing line, pit entry. It is little uneven? and this Sunday is race. It seems like a rushed job

 

[prisonermonkeys]

That video was from an event last week. The circuit has since been cleaned up - the Indians ran over it with dozens of street sweepers.

As for the supposed un-even-ness, I'd say that's just you looking for things to criticise.

 

[Oni91]

Is it just me or does the track look rather simple for F1? Maybe I've been desensitised because of the complexity of pretty much all the tracks from the 2000s.

Not like that's a complaint or anything, I'd much rather have a simple street course than another Valencia.

Also I'm impressed that they made a decent track out of New York.