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The move was necessary. The circuit needed an upgrade, but doing it after the 2015 race would have meant that the MotoGP race would have to be cancelled. By moving the race back, the circuit could be reprofiled and resurfaced without affecting either series.
 
Milouse
A press conference is planned on Monday in Paris, likely to make an official announcement.
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The BBC are reporting that Bernie has just-about confirmed it. I hadn't realised that his family owned the circuit - although it's being "rented out" to the promoters. BBC.
 
Ex_Driver
Wake me up when there's a race in France, Portugal, South Africa, Argentina, the Netherlands, Sweden, and Germany again.
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Ya, F1 isn't white ebough, it needs to go to more predominantly white countries :lol:

What about the country has anything to do with F1?? Wouldn't the actual track be more important?

There was a race in Germany last year in case you missed....most people who watched it called it boring, and most people are now saying they are happy to see Hockenheim off the calander.

Sounds like you're on some "Make F1 great again" type of thing, wishing for the return of the good'ole days - it just ain't happening.

Germany - fans hate Hockenheim, attendance is poor.
- fans hate Nurburgring, drivers are kind of meh...poor attendance.
- Germany only has 2 tracks capable of hosting F1, sadly.

France
- Paul Richard is a flat, paved parking lot. It was Shanghai before Shanghai was Shanghai.
- Magny Cours is actually quite enjoyed by the drivers, fans seem to like it. Politics are wrong for the race to go there though.
-like Germany, France only has 2 tracks LOL (actually 3 if you count Bughatti, but like F1 would ever go to Le Mans lol)

South Africa (the self proclaimed "most colourful GP on the calander" :banghead:) - other than tradition, no idea why you want this race back. Logistical nightmare, and for a circuit that is not what it used to be. F1 hasn't been there in over 20 years, no idea what condition the circuit is in.

Sweden was terrible to begin with. Why Sweden???

Holland I could see, but they have no track. Unless you want to sacrifice either Zandvoort or Assen (NEVER!!!) to Tilke, you won't see a Dutch GP.

Argentina, why? They have no precence on the F1 grid. They have no good Grade 1 circuits. They are mad for motorsports and it would probably well attended.

Portugal, I could get on board with that - but from what I gather, no one in Portugal is exactly flushed with cash at the moment, probably a pretty big ask to bring F1 back there at the moment.
 
twitcher
Ya, F1 isn't white ebough, it needs to go to more predominantly white countries :lol:

What about the country has anything to do with F1?? Wouldn't the actual track be more important?

There was a race in Germany last year in case you missed....most people who watched it called it boring, and most people are now saying they are happy to see Hockenheim off the calander.

Sounds like you're on some "Make F1 great again" type of thing, wishing for the return of the good'ole days - it just ain't happening.

Germany - fans hate Hockenheim, attendance is poor.
- fans hate Nurburgring, drivers are kind of meh...poor attendance.
- Germany only has 2 tracks capable of hosting F1, sadly.

France
- Paul Richard is a flat, paved parking lot. It was Shanghai before Shanghai was Shanghai.
- Magny Cours is actually quite enjoyed by the drivers, fans seem to like it. Politics are wrong for the race to go there though.
-like Germany, France only has 2 tracks LOL (actually 3 if you count Bughatti, but like F1 would ever go to Le Mans lol)

South Africa (the self proclaimed "most colourful GP on the calander" :banghead:) - other than tradition, no idea why you want this race back. Logistical nightmare, and for a circuit that is not what it used to be. F1 hasn't been there in over 20 years, no idea what condition the circuit is in.

Sweden was terrible to begin with. Why Sweden???

Holland I could see, but they have no track. Unless you want to sacrifice either Zandvoort or Assen (NEVER!!!) to Tilke, you won't see a Dutch GP.

Argentina, why? They have no precence on the F1 grid. They have no good Grade 1 circuits. They are mad for motorsports and it would probably well attended.

Portugal, I could get on board with that - but from what I gather, no one in Portugal is exactly flushed with cash at the moment, probably a pretty big ask to bring F1 back there at the moment.
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Yes, let's go to more middle eastern oil countries with questionable human rights laws because F1 is 'too white'.

Yes there was a race in Germany this year. It's been axed for the calendar next year if you hadn't noticed. Hence me saying "when they come back to Germany" the fans don't hate Nürburgring and Hockenheim. They can't see why they should pay over €500 for tickets to a race where Mercedes will *yawn* dominate again. If you hadn't noticed, attendance is down EVERYWHERE except Monaco.

Paul Ricard is incredibly fast, has excellent fan sight lines, and drivers used to love the circuit. Nothing beats the 2km Mistral Straight. You answered your own point with Magny Cours. The only reason there isn't a race at either locale is because the owners can't fork up the millions of £s required for Bernie to allow the F1 circus to show up, and because the French government sees no reason to pay it for them.

Kyalami was just rebuilt last year to very high Grade 2 standards, with the intention of it being very cheap and easy to convert it to grade 1 (F1) spec.

Sweden wasn't terrible. Drivers enjoyed the circuit and Swedish fans enjoyed it because they had a home driver to cheer for. They lost interest when Peterson died. If you hadn't noticed, there's a Swede racing again.

Zandvoort has a Grade 2 rating, it isn't a stretch to make it Grade 1. And Tilke should be gaoled and never again allowed to sodomise a circuit so that's neither here nor there.

Argentina has a rich history in F1, and Buenos Aires has hosted the Argentine Grand Prix dozens of times between 1953 and 1998.

It sounds more like you're on the 'affirmative action' idea of racing, more concerned with representation than you are with the actual skill of the athletes. Going to poor countries, ignoring human rights violations so rich white people can party in exotic locales, and then pretend like you're doing good for the people in those countries just because you showed up. Formula 1 needs a massive overhaul, the main one being to stop bleeding the hosts and the fans dry so Bernie and his mates can get richer. There's a reason almost every circuit on the calendar that isn't financially backed by a government eager to prove how rich they are is on the verge of bankruptcy, and it sure as **** ain't because they're not charging enough. They make no money on ticket sales, on advertising, on anything. It ALL goes to the FIA and F1 specifically.
 
Ex_Driver
Yes, let's go to more middle eastern oil countries with questionable human rights laws because F1 is 'too white'.

Yes there was a race in Germany this year. It's been axed for the calendar next year if you hadn't noticed. Hence me saying "when they come back to Germany" the fans don't hate Nürburgring and Hockenheim. They can't see why they should pay over €500 for tickets to a race where Mercedes will *yawn* dominate again. If you hadn't noticed, attendance is down EVERYWHERE except Monaco.

Paul Ricard is incredibly fast, has excellent fan sight lines, and drivers used to love the circuit. Nothing beats the 2km Mistral Straight. You answered your own point with Magny Cours. The only reason there isn't a race at either locale is because the owners can't fork up the millions of £s required for Bernie to allow the F1 circus to show up, and because the French government sees no reason to pay it for them.

Kyalami was just rebuilt last year to very high Grade 2 standards, with the intention of it being very cheap and easy to convert it to grade 1 (F1) spec.

Sweden wasn't terrible. Drivers enjoyed the circuit and Swedish fans enjoyed it because they had a home driver to cheer for. They lost interest when Peterson died. If you hadn't noticed, there's a Swede racing again.

Zandvoort has a Grade 2 rating, it isn't a stretch to make it Grade 1. And Tilke should be gaoled and never again allowed to sodomise a circuit so that's neither here nor there.

Argentina has a rich history in F1, and Buenos Aires has hosted the Argentine Grand Prix dozens of times between 1953 and 1998.

It sounds more like you're on the 'affirmative action' idea of racing, more concerned with representation than you are with the actual skill of the athletes. Going to poor countries, ignoring human rights violations so rich white people can party in exotic locales, and then pretend like you're doing good for the people in those countries just because you showed up. Formula 1 needs a massive overhaul, the main one being to stop bleeding the hosts and the fans dry so Bernie and his mates can get richer. There's a reason almost every circuit on the calendar that isn't financially backed by a government eager to prove how rich they are is on the verge of bankruptcy, and it sure as **** ain't because they're not charging enough. They make no money on ticket sales, on advertising, on anything. It ALL goes to the FIA and F1 specifically.
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I was kind of joking with the white thing, I should have put a smiley face or something.

I actually agree with a lot of what you are saying in your second post. I just disagree with your first post where you say "put country X on the calander." My counter to that is that who cares about country, I care about the circuit. I don't give a damn about representation as far as "oh, China deserves a GP because they make up a certain % of the audience". If China can build a badass circuit and do a good job of hosting, then they deserve a GP. (I'm not arguing whether or not Shanghai is a good circuit, or that they do a good or poor job at hosting, just using it as an example).

As opposed to picking a location based on representation (or who's got the $$$), I'm just as opposed to picking a location because some country held some GP a few decades ago.


Actually thinking about it, if they could do F1 in Agentina at Potrero de Los Funes, I would be all for that 👍
 
twitcher
I was kind of joking with the white thing, I should have put a smiley face or something.

I actually agree with a lot of what you are saying in your second post. I just disagree with your first post where you say "put country X on the calander." My counter to that is that who cares about country, I care about the circuit. I don't give a damn about representation as far as "oh, China deserves a GP because they make up a certain % of the audience". If China can build a badass circuit and do a good job of hosting, then they deserve a GP. (I'm not arguing whether or not Shanghai is a good circuit, or that they do a good or poor job at hosting, just using it as an example).

As opposed to picking a location based on representation (or who's got the $$$), I'm just as opposed to picking a location because some country held some GP a few decades ago.


Actually thinking about it, if they could do F1 in Agentina at Potrero de Los Funes, I would be all for that 👍
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I know you were, I was joking back. But Poe's law, I suppose.

I understand what you mean, a country shouldn't have a GP just because they had one in the past. But you do have to take into account location and history. Motor racing is both based and headquartered in France. It's just nonsense to not have a race there, even if at a new circuit.
And South Africa is the only really viable place to have a race on the African continent, besides perhaps Morocco. Kyalami is a great circuit to drive on.

Estoril has Grade 1 status and is one of the primary off season test circuits. They wouldn't test there if it wasn't a good circuit for driving, don't you think?
And similar things can be said for other circuits.

Personally for new locales, I'd like to see a street circuit in New Zealand, a Korea at the new Inje Speedium in the Korean mountains-spectacular views, a street circuit in Morocco, perhaps a circuit in Egypt with the pyramids in the backdrop. Figure out a way to host one in Antarctica.
I was just naming iconic Grands Prix that more people would recognise.

BrainsBush
Last week a group of investors and race enthusiasts launched a plan to build a complete new F1 track 'near' Amsterdam --> Race Park Almere
They said to be ready in 2019.....

source (in Dutch): http://www.f1today.net/nl/nieuws/220087/foto-s-een-impressie-van-race-park-almere
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With a Dutch world champion in the making, now's the best time there's been to return to the Netherlands.
 
Ex_Driver
Yes, let's go to more middle eastern oil countries with questionable human rights laws because F1 is 'too white'.
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As soon as you bring up human rights records as a deciding factor in who gets a race, the championship dies. No country has a perfect human rights record.

twitcher
Paul Richard is a flat, paved parking lot. It was Shanghai before Shanghai was Shanghai.
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Elevation does not guarantee quality racing. Silverstone is flat as a billiards table - it was, after all, a World War II airfield in a former life - but still produces great racing. Likewise, Spa has plenty of elevation but has been known to give dull racing.

The full layout of the Paul Ricard circuit is fairly challenging, and the tungsten in the run-off areas will thwart drivers who abuse run-off areas.
 
prisonermonkeys
As soon as you bring up human rights records as a deciding factor in who gets a race, the championship dies. No country has a perfect human rights record.


Elevation does not guarantee quality racing. Silverstone is flat as a billiards table - it was, after all, a World War II airfield in a former life - but still produces great racing. Likewise, Spa has plenty of elevation but has been known to give dull racing.

The full layout of the Paul Ricard circuit is fairly challenging, and the tungsten in the run-off areas will thwart drivers who abuse run-off areas.
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I don't disagee in regards to elevation change always making exciting racing, but for me at least it's something interesting to watch.

The BlancPain and F3 races at Paul Ricard this year weren't all that exciting. They had a few moments, but for the most part the cars are just sailing through a sea of blue tarmac.
 
prisonermonkeys
As soon as you bring up human rights records as a deciding factor in who gets a race, the championship dies. No country has a perfect human rights record.
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Of course none do. But there's a big difference between a country that burned women at the stake for suspicion of being a witch 300 years ago and a country that just stoned a woman to death last month for being raped. Not raping someone, being raped.

If you can't see the difference in that, I don't know what to tell you.
 

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