The General Anime Thread...

[Azuremen]

Surely, I fixed it correctly?

No, food and living expenses mostly. I haven't bought car parts beyond things to keep the car going for a while.

You mean like the animation companies in Japan who are raking in the cash with those $80 singles, and $350 box sets? Anime sales go up in Japan (Madoka Magica broke sales records, despite being $90 for each 2 episode Blu-ray single.), video games go down, despite video games being much, much, much cheaper.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/new...of-blu-ray-sales-in-japan-in-1st-half-of-2011
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/int...nese-video-game-market-down-8-percent-in-2011

Yes, where there is an entirely different culture and economy in play. And has nothing to do with your point about Anime having issues in the US market. Different markets require different business strategies.

Or, by your logic, diesels would be doing great in the US because they do awesome in Europe.

 

[Lain]

Puella Magi made me cry, Steins;Gate got a little something in my eye, but that's it.

Ditto. And the "little something" that Steins;Gate got in my eye was feces.

 

[Cano]

horrible maniacal anime girl in avatar

Much better.

Just finished After Story 16 and... it's just not working out for me.

Nagisa and Tomoya's boring everyday life bores me to death. Nagisa is this perfect Japanese housewife which bores me to death. I almost wish it goes back to the other characters stories which also bored me to death.

For some reason I just can't "sync" with this anime.

It's that "bore to death" thing, I suppose. Anyway, everything I've read about Clannad has been trash. There has been way many more incentives for not even trying it, which is what I'll end up doing, I bet.

I'm not one to hold tears. I mean, Steins;Gate made me cry and that's just the most recent one.

Damn, you're pretty flimsy. I barely shed a tear wih Grave of the Fireflies.

Surely, I fixed it correctly?

He is still doing the correct thing. Like a boss, even.

EDIT: He would be doing the correct thing if he did. Still like a boss.

 

[AOS-]

^

No offense, but... wow, seriously?

I know, right?



Squeezing more Nichijou in here:



eyyyyyyyyyuuu just throwing more in here:

 

[TheCorvette]

Yes, where there is an entirely different culture and economy in play. And has nothing to do with your point about Anime having issues in the US market. Different markets require different business strategies.

Or, by your logic, diesels would be doing great in the US because they do awesome in Europe.

But it should be noted, the cost of living is much higher in Japan.

As for our market, box sets do not make as much money. You can bet Elfen Lied did better in singles than it did in it's box set back in 2005/2006.

S.A.V.E. editions ($30 MSRP) from FUNimation, if all anime here was priced that cheap, they wouldn't make enough money back. FUNimation makes more money off of those 13 episode parts than those box sets and S.A.V.E. editions.

 

[Azuremen]

But it should be noted, the cost of living is much higher in Japan.

It should be noted it is a completely different culture and country, so more or less irrelevant to the argument you keep attempting to make.

As for our market, box sets do not make as much money. You can bet Elfen Lied did better in singles than it did in it's box set back in 2005/2006.

Reduce the price of things, and more people buy it. Per item profit is just half of the story.

S.A.V.E. editions ($30 MSRP) from FUNimation, if all anime here was priced that cheap, they wouldn't make enough money back. FUNimation makes more money off of those 13 episode parts than those box sets and S.A.V.E. editions.

I bet you'd they would sell a hell of a lot more. People are willing to spend $30 to $50 for a season or so, people are not going to spend that per few episodes because it just isn't deemed a good value. So what you end up with is only the most dedicated people purchasing it. Honestly, they are suffering by piracy by their own hands.

 

[AOS-]

But it should be noted, the cost of living is much higher in Japan.

An economy tries to balance wages to the value of their currency... if the cost of living and purchasing goods cost a lot, generally the wages are higher,...unless the economy is crashing.

This is why stuff in Canada cost more than it does in the States, while we have a higher minimum wage than you guys.


On a higher note, can we stop talking about money? New people coming in here won't have a thing to say otherwise.

 

[Dravonic]

No offense, but... wow, seriously?

Yep. Well not cry, teary would be more precise. But that's exactly the point anyway, it doesn't really take much. I do have to actually care for that to happen though.

Damn, you're pretty flimsy. I barely shed a tear wih Grave of the Fireflies.

I suppose I overstated, the whole different language and everything, it happens. But I kinda am I guess. Some stories just hit that spot and the tears come out, Clannad just wasn't one of them.

 

[TheCorvette]

Yes more people buy it, but here's one thing, are THAT many more people going to buy it? The best a single anime really sold here recently were the Eva Rebuild movies that were under $20. They sold around 100,000 total copies each, that's as high as you went, but the thing is, it's NGE, a title so many anime fans are into. How many would buy if it were something like say all of Blood+ for $20? Not nearly as many as Blood+'s fanbase isn't as big, and you have to keep in mind the people who will refuse to pay, even if this stuff were like $1.

Yes, per item profit is half of the story, but when you lower the price on something, the less money you'll make per unit sold. There's a point where lowering the price so much causes you to lose money.

 

[AOS-]

I didn't find anything in S;G so tragic it brought tears to my eye. They just didn't evoke those senses through video and audio.

 

[Sephy]

On a higher note, can we stop talking about money? New people coming in here won't have a thing to say otherwise.

I'm broke. There, now everyone can relate.

Yep. Well not cry, teary would be more precise. But that's exactly the point anyway, it doesn't really take much. I do have to actually care for that to happen though.

Being serious, may I ask what in S;G made you produce some man tears? I'll read your reply when I wake up because:


It's bed time. Night guys! And Loli.

Yes more people buy it, but here's one thing, are THAT many more people going to buy it? The best a single anime really sold here recently were the Eva Rebuild movies that were under $20. They sold around 100,000 total copies each, that's as high as you went, but the thing is, it's NGE, a title so many anime fans are into. How many would buy if it were something like say all of Blood+ for $20? Not nearly as many as Blood+'s fanbase isn't as big, and you have to keep in mind the people who will refuse to pay, even if this stuff were like $1.

Yes, per item profit is half of the story, but when you lower the price on something, the less money you'll make per unit sold. There's a point where lowering the price so much causes you to lose money.

Whoa whoa whoa, hold the phone. Where were the Rebuild movies at for under $20?! I even paid more than that for the 1.01 DVD. I'll read this when I wake up too because:


See above.

 

[TheCorvette]

An economy tries to balance wages to the value of their currency... if the cost of living and purchasing goods cost a lot, generally the wages are higher,...unless the economy is crashing.

This is why stuff in Canada cost more than it does in the States, while we have a higher minimum wage than you guys.


On a higher note, can we stop talking about money? New people coming in here won't have a thing to say otherwise.

But they actually earn less money than we do. They have a higher living cost, yet look at this.

11 United States $ 47,200 2010 est.
22 Canada $39,400 2010 est.
38 Japan $34,000 2010 est.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html
The median wage in Japan can't support the cost of all that much anime.

 

[Lain]

I retract my previous statements about Steins;Gate. There was one part that brought tears to my eyes:

Spoiler

When they changed my female Ruka back into male Ruka. As far as i'm concerned, vagina-equipped Ruka was totally worth Mayuri's death.

 

[Loliblade ver2]

It's bed time. Night guys! And Loli.

I don't appreciate your attitude!

 

[Lain]

I don't appreciate your attitude!

Take your mind off him by watching some Bokurano.

 

[TheCorvette]

Whoa whoa whoa, hold the phone. Where were the Rebuild movies at for under $20?! I even paid more than that for the 1.01 DVD. I'll read this when I wake up too because:


See above.

At places like Amazon and Rightstuf who don't charge anime for close to full MSRP.

 

[Loliblade ver2]

I'd say the first show to make my eyes seriously red and tears rolling down my cheeks would be After Story. And I know if I rewatch 5 centimeters per second or Angel beats!, they'd hit me much harder than they did the first time.

 

[Lain]

I'd say the first show to make my eyes seriously red and tears rolling down my cheeks would be After Story. And I know if I rewatch 5 centimeters per second or Angel beats!, they'd hit me much harder than they did the first time.

Mine was Cowboy Bebop.

 

[Azuremen]

Yes, per item profit is half of the story, but when you lower the price on something, the less money you'll make per unit sold. There's a point where lowering the price so much causes you to lose money.

You've discovered the obvious, congratulations.

You'd also be amazed at how cheaply they can sell stuff and still see profit.

But they actually earn less money than we do. They have a higher living cost, yet look at this.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html
The median wage in Japan can't support the cost of all that much anime.

You are assuming the median income households are buying the most expensive anime? You assume the median household in the US buys most of the anime and movies released here?

 

[Dravonic]

Being serious, may I ask what in S;G made you produce some man tears?

Ok I knew S;G wasn't a tearjerker, which is why it was a perfect example, but is it really so surprising? I'm sure I even mentioned it when I was done, you just don't remember.

Anyway, I'm not sure myself. I liked Okabe and Kurisu a lot so even though it's the oldest cliche ever, after all the chaos in the final episodes, I just wanted to see that happy ending. The anime held it off to the last second, I suppose it was relief.

 

[TheCorvette]

I'd say the first show to make my eyes seriously red and tears rolling down my cheeks would be After Story. And I know if I rewatch 5 centimeters per second or Angel beats!, they'd hit me much harder than they did the first time.

I have yet to ever get that far in tears when watching an anime. Those tears I have shed may not had been rolling down my cheeks, but they were there, and close to rolling down. Don't think I've cried red eye hard in quite a long time (And this is of course, outside of media.).

 

[Loliblade ver2]

I want to see a show make me cry harder than After Story did.

 

[AOS-]

^Makes you watch a mecha show...




..while cutting onions in front of you.


Problem, sap?




@ the money crap: Just give it a rest, Cody. You're going to give up eventually, like you did the past 2 times. When will you learn?

 

[Lain]

You've discovered the obvious, congratulations.

You'd also be amazed at how cheaply they can sell stuff and still see profit

I think what TC was really trying to get at, even if he doesn't realize it himself, is that there's a point where lowering the cost further will result in diminishing profits, not that there's a point where you'll start losing money.

Basically, there's a theoretical sweet spot where the cost of the item balances perfectly with consumer's interest, resulting in maximum profit. Set the price too low (or too high, as you're arguing) and you'll still see profit, but it might not be the most you could possibly get.

I personally don't know what anime's true sweet spot is, but I know that I'll spontaneously buy random anime series if they're under $40, while I'll be much more picky if the they're more expensive.

 

[Azuremen]

@ the money crap: Just give it a rest, Cody. You're going to give up eventually, like you did the past 2 times. When will you learn?

But, but, but...

I know I should drop it, as it just seems like an endless amount wildly over drawn out assumptions while ignoring a whole bunch of common sense, economic theory, and cultural variances.

I think what TC was really trying to get at, even if he doesn't realize it himself, is that there's a point where lowering the cost further will result in diminishing profits, not that there's a point where you'll start losing money.

Basically, there's a theoretical sweet spot where the cost of the item balances perfectly with consumer's interest, resulting in maximum profit. Set the price too low (or too high, as you're arguing) and you'll still see profit, but it might not be the most you could possibly get.

I personally don't know what anime's true sweet spot is, but I know that I'll spontaneously buy random anime series if they're under $40, while I'll be much more picky if the they're more expensive.

Oh I agree, and I figured that is what he meant, but the word choice.

And that is also what I mean. Too a lot of people, price points around $30 to $40 tend to be sweet spots, as much beyond that starts to weigh more heavily. $30 just means not eating out twice, or a night at a bar, while $60 could be that new game, some nice shoes, the power bill, etc. And then you talk about $100 plus for some 26 episode box sets and I just kind of laugh.

 

[Loliblade ver2]

^Makes you watch a mecha show...




..while cutting onions in front of you.


Problem, sap?

You're cruel, darling.

@ the money crap: Just give it a rest, Cody. You're going to give up eventually, like you did the past 2 times. When will you learn?

I appreciate him trying, but I know for a fact it's not going to go anywhere... as always.

 

[TheCorvette]

You've discovered the obvious, congratulations.

You'd also be amazed at how cheaply they can sell stuff and still see profit.

You are assuming the median income households are buying the most expensive anime? You assume the median household in the US buys most of the anime and movies released here?

Yeah, Air is raking in FUNimation a **** ton of money priced at what it's going for on Amazon.The show is probably paying for itself even.<_<
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0038QIYVA/?tag=gtplanet-20

No, I'm not assuming median income households in Japan buy the anime. As I've heard, these otaku (It's basically only the otaku. Casual fans don't come in there much.) who are buying this stuff, lots are actually unemployed and make less than median, yet somehow still afford the stuff.

Yes, there are college kids even who spend a few hundred dollars a month on this stuff. Though of course, most of the sales come from those that have the full-time, higher than minimum wage jobs.

Also you need to know where to look to buy anime for good prices. Do you really think everyone buying Sekirei: Pure Engagement is paying the full MSRP of $70 for the LE? Thing's going for $40 on Amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Sekirei-Engagement-Complete-Limited-Blu-ray/dp/B005W2BWSK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1326168443&sr=8-1
I can get Samurai Champloo on Blu-ray for $33 at Rightstuf when the MSRP is $55.
http://www.rightstuf.com/cgi-bin/catalogmgr/32CMQfWJevdFJG0Rp5/browse/item/90046/4/0/0

 

[AOS-]

You're cruel, darling.

I play to win.

Thanks for playing!

 

[Loliblade ver2]

I play to win.

Thanks for playing!

*inserts another quarter*

I'll 🤬 you up this time!

 

[Lain]

Yeah, Air is raking in FUNimation a **** ton of money priced at what it's going for on Amazon. The show has probably long since payed for itself. And no, I'm not being sarcastic.

Fixed.

The ideal "sweet spot" price I talked about earlier is a lot higher than the price point that's so low that they won't even turn any kind of profit.