I wont argue against the fact that the word terrorism gets used way to much for these sorts of events, and by the sounds of it, the attack that is the subject of this thread doesnt fit. But, unless you have some sort of special knowledge, the tie in with the Vegas shooter is a non sequitur in this discussion since the investigation is still on going and to date no motive that I am aware of has been released.
I did a quick google search with the keywords Toronto Sun and your phrases above and a search of the Sun's website and returned nothing from Google or their website linking the words to this incident. Can you provide a link showing the paper or their website referred to Minassian or this incident in these terms? In fact, according to a search of their website, the last time the Toronto Sun used the term muslim and terrorist in the same article was several days before this incident.
The claim was that the Canadian Sun made these statements, not one of their reporters on twitter. Big difference. I also don't see those specific words in the link you gave attributed to any Sun reporters. Interesting to find out however, that the notably left wing, government funded, CBC reporter seems to be first on the spot to establish a link to the incident and Islamic terrorism.
I read it as saying that commenters on the stories were making those claims, not the newspapers themselves.
That's why I referred to the originator of this tweet as a Sun columnist.
Then it's a good thing her senior director of news rapped her knuckles, unless you're claiming that her tweet was characteristic of government funded left-wing reporters.
What Is an Incel? A Term Used by the Toronto Van Attack Suspect, Explained
By NIRAJ CHOKSHIAPRIL 24, 2018
Theirs is a relatively new take on a “male supremacist” worldview, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.
- killing 10 people and injuring more than a dozen others, Alek Minassian wrote a post on Facebook, according to the Canadian authorities.
In it, he praised Elliot Rodger, who in 2014 shot and killed six people in Isla Vista, Calif. Mr. Minassian, 25, also wrote of an “incel rebellion,” referring to a term, shorthand for “involuntary celibates,” used online by a community of misogynists to describe themselves.
“The Incel Rebellion has already begun!” the posting read. “We will overthrow all the Chads and Stacys! All hail Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!”
Here’s a brief guide to the incel community, including some of the coded language, such as “Chads” and “Stacys,” used by its members.
Who are incels?
Incels are misogynists who are deeply suspicious and disparaging of women, whom they blame for denying them their right to sexual intercourse.
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Toronto Van Attack Suspect Expressed Anger at Women APRIL 24, 2018
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Reddit Bans ‘Incel’ Group for Inciting Violence Against Women NOV. 9, 2017
Video Rant, Then Deadly Rampage in California Town MAY 24, 2014
The center, which closely tracks hate speech, reports that incels grew out of the pickup artist movement, which takes a manipulative approach to seduction, but is rejected by incels who find it too humanizing of women.
At their most extreme, incels have advocated rape and other forms of violence against women.
What does Elliot Rodger have to do with this?
That advocacy for violence is where Mr. Rodger, a self-described incel who left behind misogynistic ramblings, fits in.
Like Mr. Minassian, other incels have praised Mr. Rodger, calling him a “Supreme Gentleman,” “saint,” “hero” or “brother,” and praising his violent rampage.
About a day before his 2014 killing spree, Mr. Rodger uploaded a video titled “Elliot Rodger’s Retribution” in which he complained of his own rejection and vowed to punish all women for his loneliness.
“Girls gave their affection and sex and love to other men but never to me,” he said. “I’m 22 years old, and I’m still a virgin. I’ve never even kissed a girl.”
Some self-proclaimed incels have even reportedly begunpraising Mr. Minassian in the same way the community revered Mr. Rodger.
Who are ‘Chads’ and ‘Stacys’?
Mr. Minassian’s vow to “overthrow all the Chads and Stacys” mirrors language used by Mr. Rodger and other incels. Men who are successful with women are known as “Chads,” while the women who reject incels are known as “Stacys.”
What is the ‘Incel Rebellion’?
Incels sometimes talk of an incel or “beta” uprising, a movement led by beta males, like themselves, to overthrow what they view as the oppressive feminism of society.
Where do incels congregate?
Incels have and still do post on Reddit, though the site, one of the world’s most popular online gathering places, barred its incel community in November, citing a policy against hateful and violent speech.
That community, a subreddit, had about 40,000 members, though it isn’t clear how many of those members subscribed to the philosophy and how many merely tracked it out of curiosity.
Incels have nonetheless found or returned to other online gathering places, including 4chan, an anonymous message board that has for years been home to a dark, and sometimes disturbing, corner of the web, often characterized by such misogyny.
In his Facebook post, Mr. Minassian reportedly described himself as “Private (Recruit) Minassian” and expressed a desire to “speak to Sgt 4chan.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/24/world/canada/incel-reddit-meaning-rebellion.html
I mentioned the CBC because Fox and the Sun and "right wing media" were specifically called out for their comments, yet the CBC was ignored when it appears to be the one that got the ball rolling with the angry foreigner rhetoric. Comment sections of any newspaper or any website, when talking politics, are always toxic. Not sure why that even needs to be mentioned. Half of the comments are probably bots anyway.
One (possibly off-duty) tweeter whose dad happens to be a raging Islamophobe doesn't constitute "the CBC", especially when their senior news director calls her out for it later. I'm not sure how much clearer the article could make this.
It was called out, by the article and by her boss. It's not like it went unnoticed or is indicative by itself of deep rooted problems with the CBC.
So, if I understand you correctly your fury is directed at Trudeau & the media simply because they didn't immediately use the work "attack" to describe the events in Toronto? And you jump to the conclusion that this is evidence of ...
what exactly?
Perhaps you could come out & actually offer a coherent explanation of why you think the media & the prime minister of Canada "could never be truthful"? Who are the people whose feelings might be hurt? Other disgruntled virgins? I don't see evidence of anything, except a perfectly reasonable wish not to jump in before the facts of the event were more clearly understood. What I do see, however, that islamophobes, xenophobes & racists in general were very anxious to jump in before there was any clear evidence of who was actually responsible.
Really? This constitutes the biggest disagreement you've ever had in your life?
As it turned out, the "terrible incident" was perpetrated, not by some international terrorist, but (apparently) by a pathetic, mentally disturbed individual. I'm not sure it's even worthy of being described as an "attack" - as that implies some kind of meaningful agenda. But if it makes you feel any better, Trudeau said the following day:
"At this time, we have no reason to suspect that there is any national security element to this attack."
On the other hand, Trump said:
“I also want to express our deepest sympathies to the Canadian people following the horrendous tragedy in Toronto that claimed so many innocent lives,”
Typical Trump - never calling a spade a spade. Always trying not to hurt people's feelings.
Are we supposed to call her out for trying to pin the whole thing on Islam or on Trudeau's supposedly lax immigration policy? Because it sounds like her dad was doing a great job of that. She seems to be guilty of misreporting an eyewitness report for which she was rightfully censured.
