The GT Sport Epic Whining and Crying Thread

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Gonna go on a little rant here....

For those of you see standing up straight, pumping your chests up, and proudly defending PD's statement that "GTS is only 50% done" should pull their heads out of their arse and realize that the unveiling is pretty much the exact representation of how the final game would look like. It wouldn't make sense to showcase the game unless it was going to give us a representation of whats to come in the completed version. Every company does this; they want to attract consumers to buy their game, not scare them away...which means that PD showed exactly how the final version will look and sound like.

Man. If I had access to your crystal ball, by financial situation would be considerably better.;)

I get your rant, and I too am left a bit frustrated by what has happened, but by no means do I automatically assume the worst (same applies to the best).

I haven't been at this website for years on end, but there does seem to be some positivity by those who were actually in attendance.

But hey, if GTS fails to deliver, I will be here ranting away too!
 
I totally agree. I think at about the GT6 level there are severe diminishing returns on increasing car detail, especially in a race setting. Whereas almost every game I've seen still has loads of room for increasing environmental detail in such a way that makes the race far more immersive, engaging and just pleasant to look at.

GTS seems to have found a better balance for me than GT5 and 6 did, but I still think that their tracks as seen at Copper Box (while realistic looking) feel at best quiet and at worst lifeless.

I mean, Rocket League can make you feel like you're playing in a packed stadium just with bouncing balls in the seats and some crowd noises. Surely GTS can do something.
Precisely. I wrote a similar post earlier in this very thread about what GTS needs to do to feel like a 'sport' variation of the game. It can't just end at a winning animation and new presentation format. They need to go further and make this feel like its own experience instead of a slightly different spin-off.
 
I still don't know anything about the campaign mode, I haven't seen any footage or notes about it. If it's what I've been hearing from other users though about just being some tutorials. Well then, that's a big shame.

Of course, I saw this kind of thing coming. It's impossible for GT to improve to what fans have wanted, PD simply won't let it. People can criticism all they want, it won't make much of a difference. Of course, I'll still play GT Sport as I'll find some enjoyment, but I know it won't be like the Glory days of GT; that is long and gone. I just intend to go down with the ship that is this franchise.
 
Presumably the livery editor was included because of players requests though, and I think you can't really call GTS a "recycled" GT game. It may not be innovation as such, but PD are not simply repeating the usual GT formula.

Last time I checked, GT's slogan was the 'the real driving simulator' not 'the real photoshoot for Instagram.' PD's focus seems to be on everything but true simulation, and so far has negatively affected them. Sure, a new photomode has been requested and now implemented, but those who requested this have had higher expectations on better physics and sound. Photomode was sought to be something extra and to not interfere with what's more important.
 
To be fair, this game is still in beta, whatever isn't included in GTSport will probably be in the next GT title, you all are aggressive as he'll and have too high expectations, and that's the problem, unless you are the ones developing the game, take a back seat and let it come. If not, then switch to another game and a different platform. You're not stuck to GT at all.
 
Yeah I can't remember where I saw it, when I do I'll post a link.



True, but in general I just don't see how this:

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Is going to appeal to the casual millions. It is for the best of the best, even if there are lower tiers.
It should appeal to anyone who actually enjoys racing as long as they get other parts of the formula right. You know how people complain about terrible AI? It is always best to race against real people. So if they are capable of building instruments that provide clean racing against people matched to your ability then racing will be enjoyable at any level. This is the main reason I am interested in GT Sport, at the moment only iRacing provides something like this but iRacing is flawed due to the small active membership and the instruments to provide clean racing not being robust enough for a growing membership. With GT's much bigger potential member base GT Sport has the potential to become the king of online racing and this is why I have been so critical of what I am seeing.
 
To be fair, this game is still in beta, whatever isn't included in GTSport will probably be in the next GT title, you all are aggressive as he'll and have too high expectations, and that's the problem, unless you are the ones developing the game, take a back seat and let it come. If not, then switch to another game and a different platform. You're not stuck to GT at all.

I'm already getting tired of the "It's a beta" and "It's only 50% done" excuses. I would understand if the game was a year or more away, but it's not. GT Sport comes out in 6 months. It's set up and ready for pre-order. It even has a limited and collector's edition. I'm realistically not expecting anything more than minor tweaks to what we've seen so far.

We're aggresive? Well, this is the Epic Whining and Crying thread. We can be as "aggressive" as we like as long as we don't break the AUP. This thread is specifically for letting out any frustration we may have towards GT and PD.

I won't speak for the others who posted here, but me personally, I don't think my expectations are too high. I just want to see GT advance, which it should be doing, as the series is now on the PS4, which is more powerful and supposedly easier to work with than the PS3. It's also coming out 3 years into the PS4's lifespan. But so far, I have not seen advancement. GT Sport looks like GT6 2.0. Where is the improvement to AI, damage, track atmosphere, and so on? The only plus I've seen is a livery editor, but I'm not jumping back to GT for that when plenty of other games have had that feature for years.

Gran Turismo has been mediocre for me since GT5. And thanks to that mediocrity, I switched to Forza a very long time ago, so that part was done already. However, I want to enjoy GT again, but right now, I've about run out of patience for this series. Hopefully the big game shows like E3, Gamescom, and TGS will showcase something better, because I would love to be wrong. But if not, GT Sport will be the first game in the series that I won't buy. Again, I'm tired of excuses.
 
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you all are aggressive as he'll and have too high expectations, and that's the problem, unless you are the ones developing the game, take a back seat

There's three big reasons why people are irked and have high expectations, and I'm sure you already know them all:

1. Game after game, the same things are promised and then not delivered
2. It's been shown that you don't need a massive team and gargantuan budget to pull it off. Indie teams with less than 1/10th the staff have made far better physics engines and far more immersive racing experiences for years now. Let's not even talk about the the indie teams' budgets.
3. Gran Turismo is quite simply Sony's biggest, most successful selling game. In terms of quality, PD are getting their asses handed to them by these indie teams.

You also don't need to be a professional in something to known that things could be better. Do I need to be a professional cook to know a meal tastes bad? Do I need to be a professional mechanic to know that someone hasn't fixed my car properly?


I will never understand why people insist on giving PD a free pass and make excuses for them, what they need is a kick up the backside and a dose of reality. I would love nothing more than for PD to return to their glory days and remain as one of the best sim racing dev teams out there, but at the moment they seem like one of those talented friends we all have who could achieve so much and wastes their life by not even trying.
 
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I have moderately high expectations because Kaz constantly repeated GT5 and GT6 underperformed in all areas because of the PS3 limitations. Therefore, if we go by his words then GT Sport on the PS4 should be way better in every regard. At least the beta didn't improve much on anything, so I'm a bit disappointed.

Plus, my expectations are higher than those of most people that praise PD's work, because I have noticed the majority of them (if not all) clearly haven't tried recent games/sims in other platforms. Without that perspective the only basis of comparison is GT6 to GT Sport. Playstation-only people obviously praise the sound improvements for example, but people with a broader perspective compare GT Sport with RaceRoom, making the improvement be not impressive at all.
 
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I have moderately high expectations because Kaz constantly repeated GT5 and GT6 underperformed in all areas because of the PS3 limitations. Therefore, GT Sport on the PS4 should be way better in every regard.
Oh look, it's Kaz being ecstatic about the PS3's possibilities compared to the limitations of PS2:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2006/08/30/kazunori-yamauchi-on-ps3

- Yamauchi says that while development is fun, it's also very difficult. Still, he wishes he'd had the PS3 10 years ago.
- He believes that, as someone who wishes to change the world, the PS3 is a tool for causing a revolution.

:D
 
I have moderately high expectations because Kaz constantly repeated GT5 and GT6 underperformed in all areas because of the PS3 limitations.
Hardware limitations are most certainly not what's causing a lot of the questionable decisions we've been seeing for a while now. It wasn't the PS3's limited performance that prompted PD to split the car roster into standards and premiums and it isn't the PS4's hardware that's making them throw out the premiums for GTS. I also have my doubts about the AI being held back by the hardware - and if anything, that could be fixed by shifting priorities a little.

You know, this really does remind me of a game I used to play: MechWarrior Online. A large part of the community has, time and time again, accused the developers of said game to only ever attempt to deliver a minimally viable product.

This kinda feels the same, even though I doubt it's intentional.

Then again, I've seen a few posts expressing the poster's intention to buy the game regardless of how good it turns out to be. Not a lot of pressure to actually improve your product as long as there's a sufficient number of people that think that way. I mean, why would you bother working on the AI if you knew fully well you can wow people into buying the game with a few pretty screenshots from the photo mode? No need to really get down to business if you're selling millions, anyway.
 
And the sad part is, in case there's poor sales then management will blame the market for that.

That photo mode reference is a great example of your point. In addition to that, over recent days I've seen many posters here in the enthusiasts community praising the Photo Mode graphics, when in fact they got tricked into praising a .jpg file ("Scapes"). Those Scapes photos surely will trick the non-enthusiasts to buy the game, thinking that's how it looks racing in-game. PD knows .jpgs sell better than an intangible such as better AI, while the former costs nothing to implement.
 
Don't mean this to sound rude but Kaz and PD are the biggest joke of the racing genre. It may some worshippers (if there is any) but it's true. It's simply their incompetence, refusal to communicate with the fanbase, breaking promises (beta for example) and so forth. I find it laughable that Sony can give this studio no heat whatsoever, but when it's other studios such as EVO it's a whole different story. I just don't get it, it's mind boggling at best.

PD can't even make a decent GT game after GT4 anymore and Kaz makes all these fantasies about this and that while promising to achieve said fantasies in his latest games. Honestly it became to the point that one will be foolish to think otherwise especially if he/she has gotten disappointed time and time again. But hey if he/she wants to be hopeful no one should stop them, just hope I (and many others) don't see GTP filled with tears. :sly:
 
I I find it laughable that Sony can give this studio no heat whatsoever
Wasn't Kaz vice president of Sony Computer Entertainment before they were rebranded as Sony Interactive Entertainment? Might give you an idea why.

Also, the series did sell well - at least so far. Only had a quick look at the figures, but it seems like GT6 sold a lot worse than previous titles. Less than half of what they managed with GT4 and GT5, but it still did well. I wonder whether there's going to be more of a reaction following another decline (assuming there's one, of course), though.
 
Wasn't Kaz vice president of Sony Computer Entertainment before they were rebranded as Sony Interactive Entertainment? Might give you an idea why.

Also, the series did sell well - at least so far. Only had a quick look at the figures, but it seems like GT6 sold a lot worse than previous titles. Less than half of what they managed with GT4 and GT5, but it still did well. I wonder whether there's going to be more of a reaction following another decline (assuming there's one, of course), though.

That's Kazuo Hirai you're thinking about, not Kazunori Yamauchi.
 
That's Kazuo Hirai you're thinking about, not Kazunori Yamauchi.
Turned to Google to check that...

Got that info from the German Wikipedia article (linked the translation) on Kaz initially. Found another article saying the same from BMW Magazin and there's a writeup at Bugatti's website about the VGT that also mentions it. Kinda weird that's neither mentioned anywhere on SIE's website or the English Wikipedia article. Seems weird.

“I was thrilled and surprised that such a revered, traditional brand as Bugatti shares my passion and vision for ‘Gran Turismo’,” says Kazunori Yamauchi, Senior Vice President of Sony Computer Entertainment and President of Polyphony Digital, who created what is probably the world’s most successful video racing franchise.
 
I just want to see GT advance

The irony is that with the move to creating an e-sports platform GT very much is advancing - it's a potentially big change in focus for the series - it's just an advance no one specifically asked for, thats all :P

And with it being quite an uncertain leap into the future, amusingly GT Sport could well be simultaneously a bit stuck in the past and a bit ahead of its time. Perfect combination no? :D
 
Don't mean this to sound rude but Kaz and PD are the biggest joke of the racing genre. It may some worshippers (if there is any) but it's true. It's simply their incompetence, refusal to communicate with the fanbase, breaking promises (beta for example) and so forth. I find it laughable that Sony can give this studio no heat whatsoever, but when it's other studios such as EVO it's a whole different story. I just don't get it, it's mind boggling at best.

PD can't even make a decent GT game after GT4 anymore and Kaz makes all these fantasies about this and that while promising to achieve said fantasies in his latest games. Honestly it became to the point that one will be foolish to think otherwise especially if he/she has gotten disappointed time and time again. But hey if he/she wants to be hopeful no one should stop them, just hope I (and many others) don't see GTP filled with tears. :sly:

Kaz really does seem like the Peter Molyneux of the racing game genre.
 
I wish they put a fine print somewhere to remind you whiners that this trailer does not represent the final game. Don't be so negative towards an unfinished product.

Forget fine print, at the end of the livestream it should have been a black screen with "Remember, this is only 50% complete and we're only showing you a slice of the 50% for now" emblazoned across the screen.

But, if my hopes do fail, I can always fall back on Assetto Corsa


Edit: my previous opinion, I feel a little differently now.

Unfinished product? Never realised Polyphony Digital actually released finished games. Oh my mistake, pre-online were finished, GT1 - GT4 but since then the released franchise haven't been finished until a FULL 2 YEARS AFTER RELEASE

There's an equation for this:

Improved AI arrival time = Current game + 1

LOL^

So no whyning from me here, I just don't give a $@%& anymore about the Granturismo series. But from glancing through this thread - it looks to be that I'm seeing a repeated rinse and follow formula that Polyphony has used since 1996 (bar the updated graphics of all "premium cars").

What is GTSport anyway, is it a prologue? Seems (very) ridiculous to be releasing a collectors edition of it and at probably around (AUS)$100 for what seems to be a scaled down GT game - PD can go *&$% off!

EDIT: Since Kaz now is driving for BMW, does this mean we will see an overflux of BMW's in future GT titles just like all those versions of Skylines we've become so accustomed to be expecting in a GT title?
 
To be fair, this game is still in beta, whatever isn't included in GTSport will probably be in the next GT title, you all are aggressive as he'll and have too high expectations, and that's the problem, unless you are the ones developing the game, take a back seat and let it come. If not, then switch to another game and a different platform. You're not stuck to GT at all.

That's why I (and assume others) have high expectations. Yes we can freely switch between games and playing platforms. Which is the current dillema PD is in. Judging by their recent releases they do not see nor care to notice the rapid evolving video game industry. In order to compete they need to be innovative. Not continually rinse and repeating the same model utilised since GT1.

Additionally this game is in beta and it is due to be completed by mid Novemeber? Yes I will be aggresive and have expectations that I expect they should meet considering PD is stating the game as 50% complete. With under 6 months away until release date, I'll be concerned with their project planning. Considering what, PD started development on GTSport about a year - year and a half ago. With only 50% completed since then and 3/4 of the development timeline through to me this rings alarming bells of arising issues with the development and subsequently the final quality of the game.
 
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