The GT Sport Epic Whining and Crying Thread

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TeamCZRRacing
Or upgrade them.

Jeez, and people wonder why I no longer identify with this community one bit. The mods are even contributing to the sea of negativity!
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I don't think anyone is wondering.

I think it's more so because of the fact you're telling people not to have an opinion on something we've seen so far, because the game hasn't been released yet, but that also goes both ways. While we don't know what is going to happen at release, we do have a good bit of information on how it is now.
 
TeamCZRRacing
Or upgrade them.

Jeez, and people wonder why I no longer identify with this community one bit. The mods are even contributing to the sea of negativity!
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You might want to lighten up a little and also remember the title of the thread you are posting in.

Oh and PD did downgrade tracks in GT5 post release, as such it's not negativity but a valid observation.
 
Scaff
You might want to lighten up a little and also remember the title of the thread you are posting in.
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Every time I enter this section of the forum to mention something I like - not just this thread, but also General Discussion and others - or to try to get someone to try to look at something about GT from a more neutral POV, invariably someone tries to start an argument with me, and I'm not the only one. I've said this before a million times, and apparently I'm gonna have to say it again: it's gotten to the point where certain members actually feel afraid to speak positively about the game. So for me, it's not as easy as "lightening up."

Is this the community you want? Because if so, I don't agree at all with the direction it's going and I'm afraid that it's time for me to part ways with you.
 
queleuleu
Since GT5, why do we have to deal with bland sceneries? For me, it's a big weak point. Even the fantasy tracks from Poly are now lazy in terms of flags, crowd, cheering fans, signages and in general trackside objects.
Just two examples :
Tokyo R246

Special Stage Route 5

Two tracks with no dynamic TOD/weather but on PS3 they are lifeless. I've thought they will update the track in GT6 but no... (I don't even speak of standard tracks). Yep, thanks to the power of the PS4, things will change and GT will bring back awesome tracks full of life and personality like SS Route 11 or Seattle.
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Man I miss the atmosphere of GT3 and GT4 (never played GT1 or GT2 so I can't say for those). There's just something that makes the game feel so alive compared to the non-existent atmosphere in GT5 and GT6, and yet I can't put my finger on what it is. For all the technical improvements you get in GT5 and GT6, we've also seem to have lost some GT magic, and I'm pretty sure it's not just nostalgia.

TeamCZRRacing
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Every time I enter this section of the forum to mention something I like - not just this thread, but also General Discussion and others - or to try to get someone to try to look at something about GT from a more neutral POV, invariably someone tries to start an argument with me, and I'm not the only one. I've said this before a million times, and apparently I'm gonna have to say it again: it's gotten to the point where certain members actually feel afraid to speak positively about the game. So for me, it's not as easy as "lightening up."

Is this the community you want? Because if so, I don't agree at all with the direction it's going and I'm afraid that it's time for me to part ways with you.
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Welcome to a discussion forum, where opinions are free to be expressed and challenged at the same time. I hope you enjoy your stay.
 
TeamCZRRacing
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Every time I enter this section of the forum to mention something I like - not just this thread, but also General Discussion and others - or to try to get someone to try to look at something about GT from a more neutral POV, invariably someone tries to start an argument with me, and I'm not the only one. I've said this before a million times, and apparently I'm gonna have to say it again: it's gotten to the point where certain members actually feel afraid to speak positively about the game. So for me, it's not as easy as "lightening up."

Is this the community you want? Because if so, I don't agree at all with the direction it's going and I'm afraid that it's time for me to part ways with you.
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Okay, bye.
 
I really feel that anyone that is ready and able to post their opinion, should also be ready and able to defend it or elaborate on it as well. They go hand in hand, and I feel the easiest way to avoid that discussion would be to not post it.

I'm not telling you not to post, so don't take it that way. All I'm saying is that its absolutely normal, and be prepared if you're going to introduce yourself into it.
 
1241Penguin
The latter part of my post maybe, but do tell where I'm wrong in saying that a discussion forum is a place "where opinions are free to be expressed and challenged at the same time."
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You're not. But GTPlanet is no longer that place. At least, not to me.
 
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TeamCZRRacing
You're not. But GTPlanet is no longer that place. At least, not to me.
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Just so we're all on the same page:

You feel GTPlanet is no longer a place "where opinions are free to be expressed and challenged at the same time" because a member of staff happened to (correctly) point out a situation where Polyphony downgraded a track's quality post-release?

Were you told not to post? Were you told you're wrong?

Not just that, but this correct observation is apparently part of a "sea of negativity". Ignoring which thread this is — I mean, really now — it's almost as if the numerous positive comments about first-hand GT Sport impressions from members that attended Gamescom aren't considered. Talk about selective reasoning.

TeamCZRRacing
more neutral POV
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Let's not pretend that's what you're aiming for here.
 
SlipZtrEm
Just so we're all on the same page:

You feel GTPlanet is no longer a place "where opinions are free to be expressed and challenged at the same time" because a member of staff happened to (correctly) point out a situation where Polyphony downgraded a track's quality post-release?

Were you told not to post? Were you told you're wrong?

Not just that, but this correct observation is apparently part of a "sea of negativity". Ignoring which thread this is — I mean, really now — it's almost as if the numerous positive comments about first-hand GT Sport impressions from members that attended Gamescom aren't considered. Talk about selective reasoning.
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No, it's not just that. I've felt this way for literally years now. Years.

And the negativity isn't just limited to here. Ever wonder why I don't post my opinion as often anymore? Because no matter where you go, if you try to say anything positive about the game, someone will invariably try to start an argument about it with you. Somehow that's magically OK, but it's not OK when I provide counterpoints to a negative post. A fine example of this is when NixxxoN tried to post something negative in EP&C. He wasn't approached by a mod. Yet here I am, being approached by two. Sorry, but as a longtime member of this community, I feel it's my duty to point out double standards when I perceive them.

SlipZtrEm
Let's not pretend that's what you're aiming for here.
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Oh, so I'm a liar now. If that isn't a slap in the face I don't know what is.

It just pains me to see people who would rather dwell on what they hate rather than what they love. Life's too short to focus on the negatives, so I try to help people look at things from a perspective that will hopefully at least help them hate things a little less. It's nothing to do with not being OK with someone's opinion, as much as certain members here would like to believe that.
 
TeamCZRRacing
You're not. But GTPlanet is no longer that place. At least, not to me.
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The negativity comes from our love/hate relationship with the last GTs. I still hope that Poly will find the magic again from GT1-GT4 era. Because I know how good were the first GTs, I don't give up with this franchise. Except the new physics, GT6 is a big joke if you are like me not an online player.
 
TeamCZRRacing
And the negativity isn't just limited to here. Ever wonder why I don't post my opinion as often anymore? Because no matter where you go, if you try to say anything positive about the game, someone will invariably try to start an argument about it with you. Somehow that's magically OK, but it's not OK when I provide counterpoints to a negative post. A fine example of this is when NixxxoN tried to post something negative in EP&C. He wasn't approached by a mod. Yet here I am, being approached by two. Sorry, but as a longtime member of this community, I feel it's my duty to point out double standards when I perceive them.
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No, your comment was replied to by another member.

I'm a mod when I am moderating and any other post from me is exactly the same as any other members. No requirement exists for the staff to be 'positive' about GT simply because this is GT Planet.

I am free to say what I see as negative and what I see as positive about any title I like, GT included (and have the added perspective in regard to that title of having played it - and my comments were not a sea of negativity).

You see to want a GT Planet in which only positive posts are permitted, that is simply not going to happen, and GTP has never been that place. As long as a member follows the AUP then are free to be positive or negative.


TeamCZRRacing
It just pains me to see people who would rather dwell on what they hate rather than what they love. Life's too short to focus on the negatives, so I try to help people look at things from a perspective that will hopefully at least help them hate things a little less. It's nothing to do with not being OK with someone's opinion, as much as certain members here would like to believe that.
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Don't apply your own standard to others, and if you took my comment to mean that I 'hate' the GT series then quite frankly you know nothing about me or my views and as such I would rather you didn't try and say what I do and don't dwell on.

You seem so wrapped up in looking for the negative in others and attempting to counter it that you have bother forgotten what this very thread is, and can't even see a light hearted dig for what it is.

Don't assume someone who posts an observation that you may see as negative as 'hating' something, you may just be wrong (as you are right now in the case of me).
 
TeamCZRRacing
And the negativity isn't just limited to here. Ever wonder why I don't post my opinion as often anymore? Because no matter where you go, if you try to say anything positive about the game, someone will invariably try to start an argument about it with you. Somehow that's magically OK, but it's not OK when I provide counterpoints to a negative post. A fine example of this is when NixxxoN tried to post something negative in EP&C. He wasn't approached by a mod. Yet here I am, being approached by two. Sorry, but as a longtime member of this community, I feel it's my duty to point out double standards when I perceive them.
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I find it funny that you're not on NixxxoN's side frankly, considering his relentless defence of GT5/GT6 and the Standard Cars they contained to the point where you can't tell if he's just having another mental gymnastics session.

And honestly, this wouldn't have blown up if you hadn't started started attacking the community because they happened to have a different opinion to your own. From my perspective, Scaff's comment was made as a regular member who wished to share his opinion, not as a moderator. Your observation that even the mods are "contributing to the sea of negativity" accomplishes nothing other than demonstrate your sensitivity to differing opinions.
It just pains me to see people who would rather dwell on what they hate rather than what they love. Life's too short to focus on the negatives, so I try to help people look at things from a perspective that will hopefully at least help them hate things a little less. It's nothing to do with not being OK with someone's opinion, as much as certain members here would like to believe that.
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The fact that you consider Scaff as a person who is only focused on the negatives tells me that you don't know much about him. Having read countless posts by Scaff I can assure you he is one of the most rational posters on the forum.
 
I'm kind of confused which way the cash flow is working for the staff myself. I've seen Slip accused of abusing his power to keep people talking negatively about GT and of being a shill for Sony at events to give good impressions. Both in the same thread, I'm pretty sure as well.


I'll just assume Slip is playing both sides.
 
Scaff
No, your comment was replied to by another member.

I'm a mod when I am moderating and any other post from me is exactly the same as any other members. No requirement exists for the staff to be 'positive' about GT simply because this is GT Planet.

I am free to say what I see as negative and what I see as positive about any title I like, GT included (and have the added perspective in regard to that title of having played it - and my comments were not a sea of negativity).

You see to want a GT Planet in which only positive posts are permitted, that is simply not going to happen, and GTP has never been that place. As long as a member follows the AUP then are free to be positive or negative.
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And that doesn't mean that you can't get angry at them for starting yet another argument with you, even if said argument is within the AUP.

Scaff
Don't apply your own standard to others, and if you took my comment to mean that I 'hate' the GT series then quite frankly you know nothing about me or my views and as such I would rather you didn't try and say what I do and don't dwell on.
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How is me sharing a new, lighter perspective "forcing my standard onto others?" That isn't what I was doing. They're free to accept it or not. Me forcing my standard onto others would be me telling them that their views are factually wrong and that they should only like what I like. Which, by the way, I've never done.

Scaff
You seem so wrapped up in looking for the negative in others and attempting to counter it that you have bother forgotten what this very thread is, and can't even see a light hearted dig for what it is.
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Mind pointing out to me where this "light hearted dig" is so I can look at it and give it another chance?

Scaff
Don't assume someone who posts an observation that you may see as negative as 'hating' something, you may just be wrong (as you are right now in the case of me).
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Fair point. I'll grant you that one.
 
TeamCZRRacing
And that doesn't mean that you can't get angry at them for starting yet another argument with you, even if said argument is within the AUP.
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Someone disagreeing with you doesn't mean its an argument at all, you seem to be actively looking for conflict.

TeamCZRRacing
How is me sharing a new, lighter perspective "forcing my standard onto others?" That isn't what I was doing. They're free to accept it or not. Me forcing my standard onto others would be me telling them that their views are factually wrong and that they should only like what I like. Which, by the way, I've never done.
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Are you telling people what to post? No.

However the entire direction you have taking in this thread this evening (for me) has been to describe those who disagree with you as "starting arguments", being part of a "sea of negativity" , being the reason why it may be "time to part ways...".

You may not realise it but this is an attempt to force your standards on others, but repeatedly reinforcing negative terms on those that disagree and suggesting that should it not change you will leave that is exactly what you are doing.

TeamCZRRacing
Mind pointing out to me where this "light hearted dig" is so I can look at it and give it another chance?
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I already have, its in this very thread.

This is how you responded to it:

"Jeez, and people wonder why I no longer identify with this community one bit. The mods are even contributing to the sea of negativity!"

With accusations of bias by a staff member (me) and using negative re-enforcement to try and identify my comment as unacceptable behavior that may force you to leave. That is not sharing a 'lighter perspective'.
 
Scaff
Someone disagreeing with you doesn't mean its an argument at all, you seem to be actively looking for conflict.
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So, on top of being a liar, I'm a troll now?

:rolleyes:

Scaff
Are you telling people what to post? No.

However the entire direction you have taking in this thread this evening (for me) has been to describe those who disagree with you as "starting arguments", being part of a "sea of negativity" , being the reason why it may be "time to part ways...".

You may not realise it but this is an attempt to force your standards on others, but repeatedly reinforcing negative terms on those that disagree and suggesting that should it not change you will leave that is exactly what you are doing.
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As I said on my wall, disagreeing with someone is not arguing with them, to me anyway. Arguing is when a disagreement turns less civil.

Scaff
I already have, its in this very thread.

This is how you responded to it:

"Jeez, and people wonder why I no longer identify with this community one bit. The mods are even contributing to the sea of negativity!"

With accusations of bias by a staff member (me) and using negative re-enforcement to try and identify my comment as unacceptable behavior that may force you to leave. That is not sharing a 'lighter perspective'.
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In all fairness you aren't biased (I even read your report on the GT:S build available at the Nurb 24h), but after a while all the arguments people try to start with me pile up to the point where I find it harder and harder to discern who's attempting to start something with me.
 
TeamCZRRacing
So, on top of being a liar, I'm a troll now?
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I am curious to know what your intention is behind this post:
TeamCZRRacing
Jeez, and people wonder why I no longer identify with this community one bit. The mods are even contributing to the sea of negativity!
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Because as people have pointed out before, this comes across as looking for conflict, and considering what happened afterwards, they're probably right.
 
1241Penguin
Because as people have pointed out before, this comes across as looking for conflict, and considering what happened afterwards, they're probably right.
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If you read my post above, I admitted I was wrong for saying that. And if you still don't get that from that post, well, here you go.
 
TeamCZRRacing
So, on top of being a liar, I'm a troll now?

:rolleyes:


As I said on my wall, disagreeing with someone is not arguing with them, to me anyway. Arguing is when a disagreement turns less civil.


In all fairness you aren't biased (I even read your report on the GT:S build available at the Nurb 24h), but after a while all the arguments people try to start with me pile up to the point where I find it harder and harder to discern who's attempting to start something with me.
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I feel that you either need to get thicker skin, or just avoid discussions all together because it seems like everytime you get into one, you end it off exactly like this, damning the community and getting upset with people because your opinion didnt change theirs. All the while calling them out for not being open and blindly hating, yet ironically doing exactly what you just posted.

You've explained your point of view, thats fine, but just because youve done so doesnt mean that they still cant disagree, and thats where you seem to get things jumbled. Just take a step back and stop joining discussions for a while if they bother you that much.

Theres threads you can praise all you want with like minded individuals, one which happens to be the literal polar opposite of this one.
 
TeamCZRRacing
So, on top of being a liar, I'm a troll now?

:rolleyes:
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I've called you neither and if I thought you were either it would be an AUP violation and this would not be a public conversation.


TeamCZRRacing
As I said on my wall, disagreeing with someone is not arguing with them, to me anyway. Arguing is when a disagreement turns less civil.
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I have to be honest the way you have posted in this thread doesn't come across that way.


TeamCZRRacing
In all fairness you aren't biased (I even read your report on the GT:S build available at the Nurb 24h), but after a while all the arguments people try to start with me pile up to the point where I find it harder and harder to discern who's attempting to start something with me.
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Which would indicate that a significant part of the problem is not the posts of others, but how you are reading them.

If you expect everything to be a confrontational argument, then pretty soon that's all you will see.
 

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