The GT6 Epic Whining and Crying Thread

[Ace_Man]

Honestly for the thousandth time... Why on Earth does PD avoid drag racing? Even the couple of games that were supposed to have it got scrapped at the last minute. Maybe it's because PD doesn't do launching very well. Tired of bouncing off a rev limiter in cars from the 50's and tired of having ZERO competition in GT6. I shouldn't have to purposely lower my cars' performance just to have a decent race. Add simple things like being able to rotate all the way around the car while racing. Cut and edit replays, with custom camera angles. Friggin' delete individual lap times for crap's sake. Maybe at least put some stripes on cars. What's new in GT6? Several new cars, a few new tracks, a couple of coffee break challenges (all three things which could have easily been added to GT5), and the new suspension model. Other than that, customization is the same, game modes have been taken away, tracks and cars have been taken away, the AI is dumber and the graphics are worse. The PS3 does not have nearly enough power, PD said themselves that GT5 maxed out the PS3. But they didn't put it on PS4 because, "We always have two GT's on each system." I'm still not buying an Xbox for F5, but I might pick it up if it were on PS4. Though I played F4 and didn't care for the cartoonish feel and poor handling. But it does seem that other developers move forward while PD just keeps pulling junk out of the closet and polishing it up. Over and over.

 

[LatinInferno]

Well I partially agree with that, but I mean the box itself says "The Real Driving Simulator" not Racing Simulator, but there were very few times that I felt the pressure, almost a tad bit of adrenaline from racing a competitive race with the AI, but those times were few and far in between. So I admit, GT can make me feel pressure from racing if you are in a close race, especially with a wheel setup, but they don't have enough races that make you feel that way.


If you want me to go on a tangent on the AI, I will do so based off of my observation and the views of GTP members that I have read.

GT's AI has for the most part been a limp noodle. By that I mean, the AI has no personality, no character, nothing at all. Racing drivers have character, each have their own style, some drive very close to the edge, others brake really late, some trail brake early. GT made their AI more or less moving traffic cones. They don't respond to change, they don't respond to anything besides following that invisible driving line. Adaptation is non existent, drive close, try to overtake, bump them, the AI resorts to- wait for it- nothing.

Post 1.02 I have been hearing reports that the AI is a bit more aggressive, they will actively try to retake the lead if you approach them. I have tested this several times, different cars, different tracks, single player, and career. This is only true if you try to overtake first place, and this whole "aggressive" behavior is only distance affected, meaning the closer that you are, the AI becomes aggressive, but pull away, the AI suddenly resorts to "limp noodle syndrome", they become the original, horrible AI that they are and they slack off, they follow the driving line, they give up, even if there 7 laps to go, they don't even care anymore.


No, no, no. PD needs a more dynamic, explosive AI. One that actively challenges you like real race car drivers. For example, Ayrton Senna was prolificly known for his superb ability in the wet. Other drivers had to factor this in and attempt to adjust to overtake him, if GT6 had the same AI, maybe we noticed that a certain driver would drive extremely close to the track corners and attack the apex at brutal speeds occasionally bumping other drivers, we would have to adjust and be more mindful if that particular AI's aggressiveness.

Now I'm not saying PD implement a whole new AI system, I mean I'd appreciate it, but take some steps, give the AI more character, show to me that they aren't just blind traffic cones following a line on the track.

All I know is the AI always has one or two cars that takes off from the get go, almost half lapping the other cars half the time it's so unrealistic and very frustrating.

I play Forza to race and GT6 to just drive cars.

 

[HaylRayzor]

My loving wife got me GT6 for Christmas. I didn't ask for it. But I spent so much time playing GT5 that she just assumed I'd want GT6.

But I don't want it. I haven't played it and I don't want to play it. I don't want to hurt her feelings but seriously, I don't want to play it.

I installed it but when the first stupid little get-aquainted race came up I just couldn't do it. As I sat there with it loading I realized that I am actually revolted by it.

The fact that GT6 has everything that sucked about GT5 just feels like adding insult to injury.

Don't waste your time telling me to sell it or give it away. I'm not going to hurt her feelings like that.

 

[mister dog]

My loving wife got me GT6 for Christmas. I didn't ask for it. But I spent so much time playing GT5 that she just assumed I'd want GT6.

But I don't want it. I haven't played it and I don't want to play it. I don't want to hurt her feelings but seriously, I don't want to play it.

I installed it but when the first stupid little get-aquainted race came up I just couldn't do it. As I sat there with it loading I realized that I am actually revolted by it.

The fact that GT6 has everything that sucked about GT5 just feels like adding insult to injury.

Don't waste your time telling me to sell it or give it away. I'm not going to hurt her feelings like that.

Put the volume down so you don't get annoyed by the hoovers, and do some hot laps whilst she is in the living room.
She'll appreciate it

 

[WonkyFonk]

My loving wife got me GT6 for Christmas. I didn't ask for it. But I spent so much time playing GT5 that she just assumed I'd want GT6.

But I don't want it. I haven't played it and I don't want to play it. I don't want to hurt her feelings but seriously, I don't want to play it.

I installed it but when the first stupid little get-aquainted race came up I just couldn't do it. As I sat there with it loading I realized that I am actually revolted by it.

The fact that GT6 has everything that sucked about GT5 just feels like adding insult to injury.

Don't waste your time telling me to sell it or give it away. I'm not going to hurt her feelings like that.

I was afraid my girlfriend would do the same, so I made sure to drop some not so subtle hints that I didnt want the game.

Now, there are many on these forums who claim that GT6 is the best yet, YET there are currently 101 things that people want fixed:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/things-in-gt6-you-want-fixed-please-read-bold-first.291914/

Please explain this contradiction!!

🤬 the moon...that is all.

 

[jimipitbull]

I was afraid my girlfriend would do the same, so I made sure to drop some not so subtle hints that I didnt want the game.

Now, there are many on these forums who claim that GT6 is the best yet, YET there are currently 101 things that people want fixed:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/things-in-gt6-you-want-fixed-please-read-bold-first.291914/

Please explain this contradiction!!

Your girlfriend might be your best girlfriend yet. That said, I'm sure you could think of a few faults you
wish you could fix. Some upgrades, more features. Remote play. Multiplayer.

The same applies to GT6

 

[WonkyFonk]

Your girlfriend might be your best girlfriend yet. That said, I'm sure you could think of a few faults you
wish you could fix. Some upgrades, more features. Remote play. Multiplayer.

The same applies to GT6

Oooo, a cheeky analogy, I like it. Wait...multiplayer? hmmm...interesting...

Well ok, here's a slightly diifferent question (written as a number of individual questions)
- Are the aero physics broken with all this talk of easy rollovers?
- Are the sounds broken with their lack of dynamics?
- Are the AI broken with their non-sensical algorithms?
- Is the lighting system broken as many are stating?
- Is the frame rate lower than GT5, to the point of compromising gameplay?
- Is the lack of customization-of-cars frustrating people (seems to be many cars with minimal customization vs fewer cars with a plethora of options)
- Is the style of the game frustrating people (rolling starts for example)?

I bought a new bike last week. The wheels are more octagon shaped than round. It has only 2 gears compared to my 21-gear previous bike, but those gears are made of titanium so that's gotta be better. The brakes make you go faster which takes some getting used to, and the saddle is quite uncomfortable. It's ok though. The company that made the bike constantly talk of their passion for cycling, and their vision is of a world which is just cycle tracks. They are a reputable company which have made some great bikes in the past, so I believe that I have a better bike than before.

Edited for grammar Nazi prevention

 

[The Stig Farmer]

Oooo, a cheeky analogy, I like it. Wait...multiplayer? hmmm...interesting...

Remote play¿¡

Well ok, here's a slightly diifferent question (written as a number of individual questions)
- Are the aero physics broken with all this talk of easy rollovers?

Things like the ACR Viper lack the downforce they actually generate

- Are the sounds broken with their lack of dynamics?

- Are the AI broken with their non-sensical algorithms?

They turn in on you like you aren't there...

- Is the lighting system broken as many are stating?

Sometimes

- Is the frame rate lower than GT5, to the point of compromising gameplay?

Not for me... but it can jump and lag a bit, particularly on fully-HD tracks and full grids of Premiums.

- Is the lack of customization-of-cars frustrating people (seems to be many cars with minimal customization vs fewer cars with a plethora of options)
- Is the style of the game frustrating people (rolling starts for example)?

Yes

I bought a new bike last week. The wheels are more octagon shaped than round. It has only 2 gears compared to my 21-gear previous bike, but those gears are made of titanium so that's gotta be better. The brakes make you go faster which takes some getting used to, and the saddle is quite uncomfortable. It's ok though. The company that made the bike constantly talk of their passion for cycling, and their vision is of a world which is just cycle tracks. They are a reputable company which have made some great bikes in the past, so I believe that I have a better bike than before.

Sounds like PD

Edited for grammar Nazi prevention

Dammit

 

[jimipitbull]

Oooo, a cheeky analogy, I like it. Wait...multiplayer? hmmm...interesting...

Well ok, here's a slightly diifferent question (written as a number of individual questions)
- Are the aero physics broken with all this talk of easy rollovers?
- Are the sounds broken with their lack of dynamics?
- Are the AI broken with their non-sensical algorithms?
- Is the lighting system broken as many are stating?
- Is the frame rate lower than GT5, to the point of compromising gameplay?
- Is the lack of customization-of-cars frustrating people (seems to be many cars with minimal customization vs fewer cars with a plethora of options)
- Is the style of the game frustrating people (rolling starts for example)?

I bought a new bike last week. The wheels are more octagon shaped than round. It has only 2 gears compared to my 21-gear previous bike, but those gears are made of titanium so that's gotta be better. The brakes make you go faster which takes some getting used to, and the saddle is quite uncomfortable. It's ok though. The company that made the bike constantly talk of their passion for cycling, and their vision is of a world which is just cycle tracks. They are a reputable company which have made some great bike in the past, so I believe that I have a better bike than before.

- Rollovers are easy, but they are also easily avoidable. Aero physics seem fine.
- Some sounds are crap, some are great.
- Many humans are non-sensical, AI drives better than half of them.
- Lighting is fine, have had no issues. Some shadows do weird things.
- Framerate is fine, have had no issues. Same with GT5
- Some people are never happy. Customization doesn't interest me.
- Standing starts/practice/qualifying can be done online.

As for the new bike, see if you can trade it for a BMX.

 

[WonkyFonk]

- Rollovers are easy, but they are also easily avoidable. Aero physics seem fine.
- Some sounds are crap, some are great.
- Many humans are non-sensical, AI drives better than half of them.
- Lighting is fine, have had no issues. Some shadows do weird things.
- Framerate is fine, have had no issues. Same with GT5
- Some people are never happy. Customization doesn't interest me.
- Standing starts/practice/qualifying can be done online.

As for the new bike, see if you can trade it for a BMX.

Ok, would you call yourself a GT fanboy? I ask seriously because I get the impression you may have the same attitude towards the game as me. I am firmly on the fence at the moment, and havent bought it as a result. I am not sure if the postive responses are just from those who will never criticise the game. There is the other side who slate the game in every possible way.

Yourself and The Stig Farmer seem quite balanced in your impressions. So another question - is it worth it? Is the game satisfying as a 'driving simulator'. Does the track-day model as I will call it satisfy you - I am not much of an online player normally. I can look past the shortfalls, if they are avoidable.

 

[jimipitbull]

Ok, would you call yourself a GT fanboy? I ask seriously because I get the impression you may have the same attitude towards the game as me. I am firmly on the fence at the moment, and havent bought it as a result. I am not sure if the postive responses are just from those who will never criticise the game. There is the other side who slate the game in every possible way.

Yourself and The Stig Farmer seem quite balanced in your impressions. So another question - is it worth it? Is the game satisfying as a 'driving simulator'. Does the track-day model as I will call it satisfy you - I am not much of an online player normally. I can look past the shortfalls, if they are avoidable.

Not really a fanboy, though I do play it up at times to stir the whiners and criers. Played GT1 and 2 back in the day, then got a PS3 and GT5 about 2 years ago, and G27 about 18 months ago. There really isn't any other decent options for PS3 driving/racing games.

I think it's worth it, am certainly satisfied. I don't race online all that much either, mainly enjoy the seasonal time trials that are updated every week or two.

 

[WonkyFonk]

Not really a fanboy, though I do play it up at times to stir the whiners and criers. Played GT1 and 2 back in the day, then got a PS3 and GT5 about 2 years ago, and G27 about 18 months ago. There really isn't any other decent options for PS3 driving/racing games.

I think it's worth it, am certainly satisfied. I don't race online all that much either, mainly enjoy the seasonal time trials that are updated every week or two.

Ok, thanks for that . You're approach is very similar to mine. I may consider giving it a go...

I'l let someone else get the thread back on topic

 

[The Stig Farmer]

It's basically GT5 - there are features you'll love and features you'll hate - but more.

Or less, since half the features from GT5 have been axed (course creator, ability to share and gift cars etc.) and are apparently coming in an update.

 

[WonkyFonk]

It's basically GT5 - there are features you'll love and features you'll hate - but more.

Or less, since half the features from GT5 have been axed (course creator, ability to share and gift cars etc.) and are apparently coming in an update.

So those who whine calling it GT5.5 - "everything could just have been added as DLC to GT5" have a point?

 

[The Stig Farmer]

So those who whine calling it GT5.5 - "everything could just have been added as DLC to GT5" have a point?

Sort of.

I'd get it just for the much improved menus (feels like an app), which are much more streamlined than the really quite cluttered GT5 ones. Plus the new cars and the free updates (BMW M4, Andretti's Hudson, Vision GT), and the Senna content which is coming some time next year.

 

[MasamuneDate]

Sort of.

I'd get it just for the much improved menus (feels like an app), which are much more streamlined than the really quite cluttered GT5 ones. Plus the new cars and the free updates (BMW M4, Andretti's Hudson, Vision GT), and the Senna content which is coming some time next year.

New cars?! Where are they? Where are today's super cars? Where's the Mclaren P1, the Ferrari LaFerrari, etc? And a lot of cars are from GT3/4 generation (2003-2006), but their models already have a whole different design today.

 

[sparkytooth]

New cars?! Where are they? Where are today's super cars? Where's the Mclaren P1, the Ferrari LaFerrari, etc? And a lot of cars are from GT3/4 generation (2003-2006), but their models already have a whole different design today.

New cars in the sense of cars added into the game post-release.

Although I still lust after the Hybrercar Triumverate.

*Every machine added so far except the Hudson is new new.

 

[MasamuneDate]

New cars in the sense of cars added into the game.

Even so. Can you name a few relevant additions in the car roster, so we can see if having these new cars puts GT6 well beyond GT5?

 

[sparkytooth]

Even so. Can you name a few relevant additions in the car roster, so we can see if having these new cars puts GT6 well beyond GT5?

Additions that are relevant to me may not be relevant to you but here goes nothin.

The new Viper (We're missing the TA), the C7 Stingray, the LFA Nurburgring HOLY JESUS YES, the Pagani Huayabara, the Aston One-77, old historic machines like the Cobra Daytona Coupe, the Stingray Racer, muscle cars like the Nova SS, the El Camino 397, the Plymouth AAR Cuda thing, unorthodox thingys like the Jay Leno Toronado Chin Monster, the new M4 looks fun (Will get an interior), everyone's raving about the X2014 Junior and the new engine sounds for the V6 powered X cars. The FXX is also in (Terrible engine sound but meh), the 288GTO, new lambos like the Reventon and the Diablo twins, alongside the already in GT5 Aventador, the McLaren F1 GTR racecar. I'm not counting machines converted into a "premium" machine.

I love all machines in a different way. I also hope that the promised expansions in cars to GT6 will include machines like the new stupidly named LaFerrari, the no telling McLaren P1, maybe some new Rufs, the Little Mermaid Atom 500 V8, whatever they bring on.

 

[jimipitbull]

Even so. Can you name a few relevant additions in the car roster, so we can see if having these new cars puts GT6 well beyond GT5?

http://www.gran-turismo.com/local/jp/data1/products/gt6/carlist_en.html

All the ones marked with '6'

 

[fredyellowone]

I'm just throwing in my two cents.

So far, I'm halfway to completing International A events. I'm something like 70% of the game completed.
And yes, the game is abysmal. The "career mode" is like I suspected, bland, boring, and freaking dull. The A.I. is just the same as before. Only rolling starts. And the worst part : the majority of the career mode events are the same than in GT5. I even used the same cars to pass those events that I did in GT5. (Monaco, racing against Chaparral and Toyota 7 using an LM Dodge Challenger.)

Looks like PD did not even bother to work on the career mode. They just ported all races to the 6th iteration, and added a few more races to the lineup for the "new" factor.

GT6 IS GT5.5. No doubt about that. I was not supposed to buy it, but my bro decided otherwise. (It was a gift)

And I'm feeling like I'm wasting my time, each time I'm actually turning the game on.

 

[nismo n13]

just gonna add my 20c to the thread.

playing the n24 minute race, i went with intermediate wets because it was wet (duh), ran the first 2 laps sweet, made a pit stop, splash n dash with a fresh set of intermediates. as soon as i left the pits, the track dried and all i needed was to finish the lap.
with my 21 sec. lead, i thought it was in the bag, that was until my intermediates lost all grip at around mini carousel.
this then made it impossible to drive without spinning.
so after all that effort i have a 25 minute replay of my failure.

that is my epic whinge and cry. lots of crying. and a bit of anger.

 

[wowbaggerBR]

It's basically GT5 - there are features you'll love and features you'll hate - but more.

Or less, since half the features from GT5 have been axed (course creator, ability to share and gift cars etc.) and are apparently coming in an update.

For now, the game is more like a GT 4.5 with all those missing things.

 

[Niels]

GT3 was the last one I liked. The first one I had as well. It was clear.

As far is I'm concerned GT4 blew itsself up massively. It's all about features and numbers to show off through marketing. PD wants too much. And is just forgetting gameplay.

I won't give lists. Of things. It's all a disappointment. But it all is. Every game lately is very crap from the very first second. The whole gaming industry could be described as "wanting too much". They stalled and game-quality fell out of the sky like a brick in the air. Perhaps it could be compared to technology itsself in a sense as well. Or in general just human-kind for as far as I still want to be part of it...

The only thing. Is money. And perhaps that's probably the only good thing about this world. So what am I going to do? Saving my money. NOT SPENDING it on ... gaming perhaps at all. Just money for the money. Does that make sense? I'm going to spend as little as possible. In order to break down the system.

And you probably missed the link from where I was only talking about a game to suddenly talking about the biggest global society based things uhm...

- Yeah. The used car dealerships. I hate them from the very start...
- Just an example. My steering wheel the G27... bought it. Very silent. But I have finally noticed... that... after a year (and after that I haven't touched it anymore ever since by that I mean like half a year on top of the first year)... the dead zone is HUGE! And it really affects the entire game. Wich is money I invested ... you know actually ? I think the game is probably more fun to play with a controller... seriously. Or wait. I just know it is. Oh wait that was still about GT5. But I know it'll be the same for GT6. But I haven't tried it yet with GT5 at all. But I don't want to!!! Because I can't risk it. Because if that's true... Gosh... Does anybody just get the feeling I'm getting? It would be too mind boggling. It would be enough for me to completely try to ignore the game entirely!

That are just 2... tiny things... Wich look just too much like... the stupidity of people... other people have more often than not. And I choose to start gaming instead of hanging around with them because they're just so dumb!!! And now that stupidity... While at first through games I could hide a little bit from that stupidity... it's becoming more clear than ever.

Basically I want to say that. I somehow hide a little as... right it's distraction. Games. Sorry english is not native to me. And I gamed for the distraction. And the distraction was already gone when GT4 came out and then still with GT5. I hoped for the better. But GT6 is nothing different. But lately with games. It's not only failing to be a distraction for me from other stuff I don't want to do at that point in time. But it's becoming the source of... Oh God. Do you understand what I'm saying here?

It has gone way too far.

And don't bother to question stuff like how... or perhaps if you don't understand it yet... what... or why...

Because then you get real philosophical. And you end up with global society based problems, like money greed HUMANS IN GENERAL, like I just did in that weird jump at the beginning of my post in a very short amount of time. It's just more of the same.

Somehow I really find this fitting with stuff like Windows 8. Ridiculous. Oh let's just put tablets and pc's together and... blah... it achieves nothing. It wants both but ends up with neither one. All these half-finished products what's up with that?

Humans. People they're all the same in every thing they do. Everywhere. Always.

"Uhm... I'm... uhI'm..... umm.... I'm sorry b... bu... but you kind of like went a little off-to"SHUT UP

 

[fredyellowone]

All I know is the AI always has one or two cars that takes off from the get go, almost half lapping the other cars half the time it's so unrealistic and very frustrating.

I play Forza to race and GT6 to just drive cars.

When I want to drive cars, I use my own '89 GTA.
When I want to race, I turn on GT6, and push my theets together with anger because I don't have Forza. (Or I play SF Rush on the N64) (or Top Gear 3000, SNES)

 

[Maddens Raiders]

Me and my mates must be doing something wrong. Been having epic races at Sarthe (through day and night w/ occasional weather changes) with LMP's and GT cars at ~680PP and below and also at the ring with GT cars only. I'm sure there are a ton of worrying things to find and 🤬 about (as there is w/ any title and evidenced in the posts above) but there is also a ton of good in GT6 too (pre any major online updates), and I just wanted to let that be known as well. Anyway that's my epic whine for the day. Happy console sim motoring guys.

 

[LVracerGT]

- Some sounds are crap, some are great.
- Many humans are non-sensical, AI drives better than half of them.
- Lighting is fine, have had no issues. Some shadows do weird things.
- Framerate is fine, have had no issues. Same with GT5
- Some people are never happy. Customization doesn't interest me.
- Standing starts/practice/qualifying can be done online.

As for the new bike, see if you can trade it for a BMX.

-Most of the sounds are crap, few are OK. A lot of them are recycled from car to car.
-............REALLY................
-There is something wrong with the lighting and people with the credentials have proven it. Do the forum search, you're a big boy (I assume)
-Hey! Something we can agree on (weird)
-Because you're the voice of everyone who buys GT
-Hardly, if you played online (see below) you would know about the qualifying issues.

Not really a fanboy, though I do play it up at times to stir the whiners and criers. Played GT1 and 2 back in the day, then got a PS3 and GT5 about 2 years ago, and G27 about 18 months ago. There really isn't any other decent options for PS3 driving/racing games.

I think it's worth it, am certainly satisfied. I don't race online all that much either, mainly enjoy the seasonal time trials that are updated every week or two.

Wait so you don't even play the game to the full extent and then come on these forums and attack everyone who criticizes the game for it's legitimate faults...

Seems legit

 

[jimipitbull]

Wait so you don't even play the game to the full extent and then come on these forums and attack everyone who criticizes the game for it's legitimate faults...

Seems legit

102 % completion. Which part of the game aren't I playing?

And who have I attacked again?

You are clearly delusional

 

[LVracerGT]

102 % completion. Which part of the game aren't I playing?

And who have I attacked again?

You are clearly delusional

Clearly. How have you not been banned for trolling yet?

Your girlfriend might be your best girlfriend yet. That said, I'm sure you could think of a few faults you
wish you could fix. Some upgrades, more features. Remote play. Multiplayer.

The same applies to GT6

Not really a fanboy, though I do play it up at times to stir the whiners and criers. Played GT1 and 2 back in the day, then got a PS3 and GT5 about 2 years ago, and G27 about 18 months ago. There really isn't any other decent options for PS3 driving/racing games.

I think it's worth it, am certainly satisfied. I don't race online all that much either, mainly enjoy the seasonal time trials that are updated every week or two.

Clearly delusional. Get real dude.

 

[PsuPepperoni]

The Formula GT's flywheel is too heavy. It revs like a truck. When you downshift into 2nd or 1st going into a corner, the engine can't speed up fast enough so the wheels slow down like you're pulling the handbrake.

It's manageable but unneccesary.