The GT6 Epic Whining and Crying Thread

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Screw the course maker. I've been hearing people expecting the darn thing since 2013 now. Even if they release it it isn't going to compensate for all that is lacking to make this game what it should be.
True dat. Some even prefers the CM to be in GT7 rather GT6 (even though we were promised it would be added "in a future update" for GT6). I honestly given' up on that stupid feature that'll probably just end up being an updated version of GT5's but worse. PD is so pathetic it's not even funny anymore...
 
@TokoTurismo Dat signature. Gotta hurt on some people.

Soooo, I gave pCARS a break and dusted my PS3 off.

Downloaded the latest updates to drive the GT-R NISMO thing around. I also tried this new hot-wheels car.

I cannot believe people are still calling GT a simulator. It is not. Sorry, but it doesn't feel anywhere near refine as pCARS.

This new VGT is all about what is wrong in GT. It isn't remotely close to a real car, it is some rubbish outlandish concept that landed on GT because Gran Turismo is the only place where such ideias can live because the series is no longer about racing or cars, is just about overhyping designers and its extremely loyal fan base with concepts.

There is a time-trial challenge to be run with this car in the Nordschleife. Which is idiotic as it can get, since the thing is undriveable and the track is too twisty and narrow.

"Oh, but this is the challenge! Tame the car there".

Wipeout also have the same kind of challenge: ultra-blindingly-fast cars, which looks as outlandish as this SRT VGT, throw around some twisty courses. And the challenge is about the same: don't crash and don't loose too much time.

The only difference is that Wipeout doesn't call itself a "simulator".
 
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@wowbaggerBR The truth hurts, but it must be told and shared. :sly: Quality over Quantity is what will make any racing game fun and successful for most people, not the number said title has. Some racing games suffered because nowadays many folks are so hung up on this whole "this game should have 1000 cars in it" in order for them to at least gain their interest. Due to that, the console market lacks unique racing titles like iRacing and Raceroom, which are and remain on PC.
 
I want to talk about the course maker again, but not because it's taken so long for it to be developed; the fact that Polyphony Digital decided to revamp it in the first place. This idea they have follows their other ideas that seem to never go as smoothly as what Kaz envisions in his mind.

For instance, when PD stopped using the sound samples of cars exactly and worked on computer generation. This new way of sound creation should have just stayed on the back burner for them to work on in the background. The same goes for course maker v2.0. Honestly, they should have not announced it in the first place and rather just kept the course maker from GT5 for GT6. It's clear that they bit off way more than they can chew.

Mainly, I just can't understand why they continue to announce and try to do things they're not prepared for. They need to stop this now and start being honest with themselves before attempting to make anymore ideas come to life.
 
Course Maker Fiasco Day 572

It was (is) a 3.5 hour maintenance which is unusual for GT6. So, logically, people were expecting something big to come out of this. Myself personally, I wasn't really expecting but would have been glad if it came out. But you have to admit, it's pretty saddening and maddening even if you're were not expecting it.
 
Course Maker Fiasco Day 572

It was (is) a 3.5 hour maintenance which is unusual for GT6. So, logically, people were expecting something big to come out of this. Myself personally, I wasn't really expecting but would have been glad if it came out. But you have to admit, it's pretty saddening and maddening even if you're were not expecting it.
I was very excited for the CM when it was announced and for a little while after the game launched, but the excitement died after a few months. The driving experience in GT is blah and bland relative to every other game I've played in the last year and the CM isn't going to change that one bit.
 
I actually have something to complain about the maintenance; the fact that they do little to nothing with the game. Sometimes, when PD does maintenance, it can even make the servers worse!
Why do you think maintenance make the servers worse?
 
Why do you think maintenance make the servers worse?
Since the more recent updates, it's gotten more difficult for me to stay connected to online lobbies; I've gotten disconnected more often. Doing a quick race online event can even be a challenge and I'm pretty sure it's not my connection. My internet connection is the same as it was when I was playing GT6 during its earlier updates and connecting was less of a hassle then.
 
Since the more recent updates, it's gotten more difficult for me to stay connected to online lobbies; I've gotten disconnected more often. Doing a quick race online event can even be a challenge and I'm pretty sure it's not my connection. My internet connection is the same as it was when I was playing GT6 during its earlier updates and connecting was less of a hassle then.
That hasn't happened to me. Maybe it's a bug of some sort.
 
I was very excited for the CM when it was announced

Same here. It was basically the only thing that made me buy GT6 other then GT5's online closing. Hell, if GT5 was still online I'd be playing it.

Sometimes, when PD does maintenance, it can even make the servers worse!

That's exactly what it looks like. I was in a club cruise room today with 14 people. We changed the track to Sierra and hopped in our vehicles. I noticed that the track wasn't filled with 14 people. Then, I ask how many people are on track in the chat. Here were the responses:
8,8,8,9,7,7,6, 14, 14, 14, 10, 11, 12.

What is this!?!? Only 3 people can see everyone in the room! A few minutes later about a third of the lobby gets disconnected.
 
Same here. It was basically the only thing that made me buy GT6 other then GT5's online closing. Hell, if GT5 was still online I'd be playing it.
Same here. My interest in the CM died after waiting one year for it. Never doing that again as I moved on to better things though...
 
It's not that related but I feel PD is a closed dictatorship ( I hope I won't get banned for saying that).

We don't know what they're doing, what's going in there, and even the interviews aren't real.

I'll explain the interview part:
It looks like (to me) PD makes half scripted interviews.
First, the Goodwood interview is fine, Kaz is there because of VGTs so I think it's good that the interviewer had to ask questions only about VGTs.

But other interviews are horrible. PD don't provide any new information. The moment they're asked about something that is "not good" with the game they just don't answer.
It took 5 years until Kaz admitted that the sound are bad and that they're working on new sound engine.

They are closed, and we ( the fans ) can't even know the reasons for this silence.
Is it a cultural thing?
 
They are closed, and we ( the fans ) can't even know the reasons for this silence.
Is it a cultural thing?
I think it's more a 'realizing we can't handle the job and avoid the question thing'.
Kaz probably knows GT is a shadow of its former self, but the amount of work that is needed to actually fix things in order to give the fans what they want has become so huge, due to stalling it for years on end, that they simply can't commit to anything when someone has the chance (and the balls) to ask them about it.

Just imagine the task ahead of them; fixing the sounds, the AI and the career mode which they have been porting over since the '90's, get rid of 700+ PS2 era cars and try to fill that void by modeling tons of new PS4 grade cars. And all of this on top of their usual fixation on a better physics model and improved graphics... It's probably too much and he can only talk his way around it in order to not have to admit or commit.
 
Just imagine the task ahead of them; fixing the sounds, the AI and the career mode which they have been porting over since the '90's, get rid of 700+ PS2 era cars and try to fill that void by modeling tons of new PS4 grade cars. And all of this on top of their usual fixation on a better physics model and improved graphics... It's probably too much and he can only talk his way around it in order to not have to admit or commit.
Well, I've said this once and I'll say it again; Kaz needs to now be honest with himself and admit that he can no longer do this in house. If he wants to bring GT up to whatever vision he has, he's going to need some help.

I don't know the budget for Polyphony Digital when it comes to developing a GT title, but I imagine that it should be enough to outsource for some help in developing their series. He just needs to take the load off his shoulders, get other companies to help model some of the new content, hire more people to program the new features, and etc. I know that he doesn't like that idea, but it's the best route for him to take in my opinion.
 
Well, I've said this once and I'll say it again; Kaz needs to now be honest with himself and admit that he can no longer do this in house. If he wants to bring GT up to whatever vision he has, he's going to need some help.

I don't know the budget for Polyphony Digital when it comes to developing a GT title, but I imagine that it should be enough to outsource for some help in developing their series. He just needs to take the load off his shoulders, get other companies to help model some of the new content, hire more people to program the new features, and etc. I know that he doesn't like that idea, but it's the best route for him to take in my opinion.
And i guess that's where the Japanese culture thing sets in. Outsourcing would probably be seen upon as a 'defeat' and embarrassing especially seeing PD is sponsored by the big bucks of Sony.

He could hire more people though (or should have done so a long time ago).
 
And i guess that's where the Japanese culture thing sets in. Outsourcing would probably be seen upon as a 'defeat' and embarrassing especially seeing PD is sponsored by the big bucks of Sony.

He could hire more people though (or should have done so a long time ago).
Well, Polyphony sort of has been hiring more people. Mainly for the sound and modelling departments though. I guess they could just keep doing that.
 
He just needs to take the load off his shoulders, get other companies to help model some of the new content, hire more people to program the new features, and etc.
Before doing that PD needs to take a look at what other companies are doing in their games. When I look at some problems with GT5/GT6 it seems to me that people at PD have never played other games and therefore are totally unaware of all the good features other companies have implemented in their games. Most of the features in GT5/GT6 have already been done in other games in a better way, and some basic features are still missing in GT6. If PD keeps ignoring their competition GT will always be behind other games.
 
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Before doing that PD needs to take a look at what other companies are doing in their games. When I look at some problems with GT5/GT6 it seems to me that people at PD have never played other games and therefore are totally unaware of all the good features other companies have implemented in their games.
Actually, that is not true. With the interviews posted on this site and the fact that Polyphony has someone checking the site; they're aware of the competition and the features other games have. Thing such as livery editor, sounds, endurance racing, & etc are either not being implemented on purpose or Polyphony is being held up on implementing certain features. In which, this goes back to what I have said; they simply need to keep gathering helping hands and stop holding themselves back.
 
Actually, that is not true. With the interviews posted on this site and the fact that Polyphony has someone checking the site; they're aware of the competition and the features other games have. Thing such as livery editor, sounds, endurance racing, & etc are either not being implemented on purpose or Polyphony is being held up on implementing certain features. In which, this goes back to what I have said; they simply need to keep gathering helping hands and stop holding themselves back.
As much as I want the GT series to improve I find this very hard to believe.
If PD is aware of what other games are doing and GT has a budget bigger than any other racing game then why not implement good features into GT? Other games with smaller budget than GT6 have proper racing offline, decent AI, better career mode, better customization, better online, all options available in all modes, etc. If GT has a bigger budget than those games it makes no sense not having features that other games have had for years.
 
I've had a bug where lets say, there are 10 people on a track in an online lobby. But I don't see any of those cars on the track except my own.
That's probably an internet problem. Try checking your connection or NAT type.
 
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As much as I want the GT series to improve I find this very hard to believe.
If PD is aware of what other games are doing and GT has a budget bigger than any other racing game then why not implement good features into GT? Other games with smaller budget than GT6 have proper racing offline, decent AI, better career mode, better customization, better online, all options available in all modes, etc. If GT has a bigger budget than those games it makes no sense not having features that other games have had for years.

Because PD want to do things 'their way' and make it more about the cars rather than focus on the rest of the gameplay.
 
If for GT7 they don't strip the game from its dated content, and focus on bringing it into the 21st century gameplay and feature wise, the series is doomed IMO.

GT5P was the only positive thing we saw from them on the whole of PS3's lifecycle, they can't afford to continue that way on PS4 because even the biggest fanboys will probably start to see the light.
 
If for GT7 they don't strip the game from its dated content, and focus on bringing it into the 21st century gameplay and feature wise, the series is doomed IMO.

GT5P was the only positive thing we saw from them on the whole of PS3's lifecycle, they can't afford to continue that way on PS4 because even the biggest fanboys will probably start to see the light.

Some are so deluded that they couldn't see the light even if it was coming from a quasar 3 metres away.
 
Because PD want to do things 'their way' and make it more about the cars rather than focus on the rest of the gameplay.
Someone ought to email them to let them know that making it about cars means you have to create a game around those cars so you have something to do with them besides taking photos and grinding to fill up your imaginary garage:sly:
 
Just like I said in GT7 thread, and you guys have said it already, but I'm almost at the point of no return with the franchise.

I said this long ago, but Kaz made the times, and now he's catching up with them.

Why cause people back in what 1997 or 1998 whichever year GT came out(lazy right now) between ages of 7-20 or somethign like that fast forward 15 years or more and now they are 22-35.

Trying to figure ways to make GT even better.

Right now Kaz is like Blackberry, and you know what I mean by that.

I'm just like the rest of you though I've been enjoying all these other racing games, and this is without being able to play Project Cars and DriveClub plus other series like DiRT Rally and latest F1 or other games.
 
What i don't understand is why PD just can't plainly state the nature of the course makers holdup.

@Famine has stated numerous times in the now closed 'so about that course maker...' thread that the delay is not hardware related nor that the course maker is being left for GT7 (confirmed by Kaz in interviews stating it will be included in GT6 eventually). But many beleive hinting towards legal issues halting its release. I know for legality reasons those who know cannot stipulate on the matter in any depth, but whats wrong with stating the nature of the delay to ease those pondering and disappointed with the issues handling.

It wouldn't harm for PD to just come out and say, 'the course maker release has been delayed due to legality issues which we are working on to sort out and due to the case still being dealt with in a legal matter we cannot comment any further. But rest assured it will be ready (almost) soon'.

That way they will have informed consumers what has/is happening without giving away any delicate information yet would ease everyone concerned. If that is the case or a similar statement if the issue is of another nature.
 
but whats wrong with stating the nature of the delay to ease those pondering and disappointed with the issues handling.
It has to be translated.


(It's a jab at the Kaz Q&A forum in case some didn't get the ''joke'')
 
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