The GT6 Epic Whining and Crying Thread

[steve30x]

im telling you now the GT franchise is fast going down the drains.

Of course it is. Thats why GT5 sold 10 million copies

You're right. GT3 sold so poorly because it had such a small car lineup. Oh, wait... it was the best selling GT of all time.

[Kanye] Of All Time! [/Kanye]

It's sad, to me, that more people are concerned with quantity over quality

Quantity doesnt matter to me. I wouldn't really care if they got rid of the standard cars. I don't mind if they keep them either. The problem is The past few years a lot of people who buy games look at the quantity instead of quality. It was different back in the GT1 - GT3 days when most people were happy with what they got , but since a few years into the life of GT5 people started wanting more quantity.

It would be better with just 400 premium cars though because if the career is as short in GT6 as it was in GT5 then you get to the end of the career with just the few cars you needed in career mode with hundreds of cars unbought. I would love a career thats twice or three times what it was in GT5 though. The GT5 career was a bit too short.

I couldn't care less about the moving mud flaps for the rally cars honestly.

fixed

 

[dr_slump]

You're right. GT3 sold so poorly because it had such a small car lineup. Oh, wait... it was the best selling GT of all time.

Would it have sold even better with more cars?

 

[Imari]

Would it have sold even better with more cars?

It couldn't have hurt, obviously. If you're talking about more cars of the same quality.

The question is, would it have sold even better if they'd included all the PS1 cars that they left out?

I think they would have been skinned alive by the media.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

It couldn't have hurt, obviously. If you're talking about more cars of the same quality.

The question is, would it have sold even better if they'd included all the PS1 cars that they left out?

I think they would have been skinned alive by the media.

I can barely comprehend how appaling that would look.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Of course it is. Thats why GT5 sold 10 million copies

You do realize that quantifying GT sells does not make a or correlation to being a good game. This has been said numerous times, Mario Kart is an even greater seller than GT, yet I'd hardly call it racing. Anything will sell when it has notoriety due to it's name and people willing to toss money at it via loyalty or being first time buyers caught up by the images and beauty of what seems to be the most authentic car game ever. Due to the fact they don't know any better, then there are those of us loyal fans that know better but are too hopeful and nostalgic to have any sense to not buy GT. (the latter being me)

Yet some one how quality is being mixed with quantity. Also wouldn't there be linear growth in sales from each game if there wasn't some loss in consumers?

 

[Raitziger]

Forza will still have superior sounds

 

[Simple Matt]

Forza will still have superior sounds

I really hope that GT6 has sounds similar to FM4.. And a clutch system.. And damage.. Buuut.. I think we're gonna get GT5.5

 

[jimipitbull]

Yet some one how quality is being mixed with quantity. Also wouldn't there be linear growth in sales from each game if there wasn't some loss in consumers?

Not necessarily. Until xbox/forza came along, there was really no comparable console/racing game.

 

[Lock2Lock]

And a clutch system.

I hope they fix the clutch. It is stupid that we have to fully push it in to actually use it.


I am just really happy they are fixing the physics. That suspension model looks like this game is going to be amazing.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Not necessarily. Until xbox/forza came along, there was really no comparable console/racing game.

Basically, you only further helped perpetuate that people are actually drifting away from GT. There were plenty of racing/simcade games around and it never harmed GT sales before. Thus if one is to make the bold claim that GT sales correlate quality thus the sheer numbers of units moved, then the loss of units over time is due to losing a portion due to interest not being to their liking. In other words quality has fallen from the time of GT3, thus loss in sales and/or moving to other games in the same genre.

I must say though, I did stop playing GT3 for a time due to some reason I forget. I started to instead play Sega GT 2002.

 

[jimipitbull]

Basically, you only further helped perpetuate that people are actually drifting away from GT. There were plenty of racing/simcade games around and it never harmed GT sales before. Thus if one is to make the bold claim that GT sales correlate quality thus the sheer numbers of units moved, then the loss of units over time is due to losing a portion due to interest not being to their liking. In other words quality has fallen from the time of GT3, thus loss in sales and/or moving to other games in the same genre.

GT sales correlate popularity, not quality.

Myself, I went from GT1 to GT5. All I see is a massive improvement in quality.

I recently purchased GT3 secondhand, to see what all the fuss is about. I still prefer GT5.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

GT sales correlate popularity, not quality.

Myself, I went from GT1 to GT5. All I see is a massive improvement in quality.

I recently purchased GT3 secondhand, to see what all the fuss is about. I still prefer GT5.

If you don't know where my string of comments are coming from then, it's moot to try and comment back with a point that I didn't make. My point is to say exactly that and I said it already before you responded back to me with my own wording. Sale =/= Quality, which I say...

Also it's a waste to try and compare a more than decade old game to GT5 in the now. Now if you compare them between time lines, GT3 is the better game for its day and age compared to GT5 which is just an updated GT3, nothing new nor innovative has happened in that decade from GT3 to GT5 besides a dent model and cockpit view. Which some would argue better late than never, but people were doing this well before GT5 hit the console world.

 

[Waheed]

Basically, you only further helped perpetuate that people are actually drifting away from GT. There were plenty of racing/simcade games around and it never harmed GT sales before. Thus if one is to make the bold claim that GT sales correlate quality thus the sheer numbers of units moved, then the loss of units over time is due to losing a portion due to interest not being to their liking. In other words quality has fallen from the time of GT3, thus loss in sales and/or moving to other games in the same genre.

There wasn't any game like GT, but when you have a game like GT obviously people will like it, and thus decrease in sales. That doesn't mean you're wrong, maybe people are getting away from GT because its not good, yet it's still the "best" game say for about 5 out of 10 million people?

 

[SlowInFastOut]

Of course it is. Thats why GT5 sold 10 million copies

And Justin Bieber sells 10 million records...what's your point? Sales ≠ Quality

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

There wasn't any game like GT, but when you have a game like GT obviously people will like it, and thus decrease in sales. That doesn't mean you're wrong, maybe people are getting away from GT because its not good, yet it's still the "best" game say for about 5 out of 10 million people?

That's what you'd say but others would argue that PGR, TOCA, Sega Racing, and others were a nice substitute. I understand where you are coming from, my issue is that it seems people have this idea or talk about GT as if

"there was GT first and no other!" Too bad reality says otherwise, and there were games in the genre, however they don't live today due to the companies that built them or not have such high exclusivity as GT that Sony gave, or morphing into something new and being a PC driven sim racer.

And Justin Bieber sells 10 million records...what's your point? Sales ≠ Quality

Wow just too good!👍

 

[Waheed]

And Justin Bieber sells 10 million records...what's your point? Sales ≠ Quality

For you his albums are bad, for 10 million people his albums are great. You buy a thing if it's only quality? not because you like it?

 

[Lock2Lock]

Of course it is. Thats why GT5 sold 10 million copies

And Justin Bieber sells 10 million records...what's your point? Sales ≠ Quality

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

For you his albums are bad, for 10 million people his albums are great. You buy a thing if it's only quality? not because you like it?

That's not what he is saying at all, he is pointing out that just because something sales doesn't mean it is the best in it's genre. Most times it would seem that sales are based on popularity and advertisement as well as per-release reviews that may not be in the best interest of the consumer.

The importance is that one can't run off numbers as if they are the end all end all. If PD were to sit there all day and say "see that, 10million units sold, are game is perfect so don't tell us"

Perfect at? Being imperfect? Numbers don't change the fact that GT has issues, hell GT could sell a billion units with the same sound issues. Does that mean that their game is better than say a game with the most realistic car sounds that loop correctly when driving any track, just because they moved more copies than any other game. Or does it mean that people have been given some identity recognition do to advertisement push and word of mouth due to being around for 15 years...

 

[Waheed]

That's not what he is saying at all, he is pointing out that just because something sales it doesn't mean it is the best in it's genre. Most times it would seem that it sales due to popularity and advertisement.

The importance is that one can't run off numbers as if they are the end all end all. If PD were to sit there all day and say "see that, 10million units sold, are game is perfect so don't tell us"

Perfect at? Being imperfect? Numbers don't change the fact that GT has issues, hell GT could sell a billion units with the same sound issues. Does that mean that their game is better than say a game with the most realistic car sounds that loop correctly when driving any track, just because they moved more copies than any other game. Or does it mean that people have been given some identity recognition do to advertisement push and word of mouth due to being around for 15 years...

I did not say GT is the best game dude, all I said it's the best game for ME and the people who choose to buy it. If you don't see it as the best game don't buy it, buy whatever you like and whatever you like to play, I don't care about numbers at all, all I care about is having fun playing a game

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I did not say GT is the best game dude, all I said it's the best game for ME and the people who choose to buy it. If you don't see it as the best game don't buy it, buy whatever you like and whatever you like to play, I don't care about numbers at all, all I care about is having fun playing a game

Did I ever say anywhere that "Waheed you think GT is the best" I'm debating the topic at hand in a general sense. It isn't personal and if you can't see that you may need to step back and take a breather. I too care about having fun and playing the game, but with anything in life, when it gives claims about doing something, or doesn't live up to what was told... People have the right to try and make awareness for said issue to be fixed. It's easy to say well don't buy it as if people will leave it alone because you are contempt (notice how I said you, thus making it personal ) with it as is.

 

[Lock2Lock]

One thing I don't get. Why is everyone complaining that this game will be GT5.5? They are basically making a new game. The physics being a major (if not the biggest) complaint in GT5, you would think you would be happy with the physics overhaul.

Honestly, I don't expect much from a overhaul in sound. It would be nice, but probably won't happen. Big deal. Not all the cars are bad. The standard cars, I hardly drive them anyway, except a few of them.

The graphics are better than pretty much every sim I have played (yes Forza too in my opinion). I have a few complaints with GT5, sure who wouldn't. For example the clutch physics are terrible. I shouldn't have to put the pedal all the way to the floor for the clutch to engage. One thing I hope they fix. If they do not fix it, sure I will be a little irritated, but I will still play it.

 

[Scaff]

There wasn't any game like GT, but when you have a game like GT obviously people will like it, and thus decrease in sales. That doesn't mean you're wrong, maybe people are getting away from GT because its not good, yet it's still the "best" game say for about 5 out of 10 million people?

The Need For Speed (the original), beat GT by a good three years...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Need_for_Speed

...now do not mistake this for the titles that followed in the series.

One thing I don't get. Why is everyone complaining that this game will be GT5.5? They are basically making a new game. The physics being a major (if not the biggest) complaint in GT5, you would think you would be happy with the physics overhaul.

Honestly, I don't expect much from a overhaul in sound. It would be nice, but probably won't happen. Big deal. Not all the cars are bad. The standard cars, I hardly drive them anyway, except a few of them.

The graphics are better than pretty much every sim I have played (yes Forza too in my opinion). I have a few complaints with GT5, sure who wouldn't. For example the clutch physics are terrible. I shouldn't have to put the pedal all the way to the floor for the clutch to engage. One thing I hope they fix. If they do not fix it, sure I will be a little irritated, but I will still play it.

For me its not even GT5.5, I'm treating it as GT5 Redux, given that its what I expected GT5 to be when it came out 2.5 years ago.

Now don't get me wrong as PD appear so far to have done enough to be strongly considering picking up a copy at release.

 

[Waheed]

Did I ever say anywhere that "Waheed you think GT is the best" I'm debating the topic at hand in a general sense. It isn't personal and if you can't see that you may need to step back and take a breather. I too care about having fun and playing the game, but with anything in life, when it gives claims about doing something, or doesn't live up to what was told... People have the right to try and make awareness for said issue to be fixed. It's easy to say well don't buy it as if people will leave it alone because you are contempt (notice how I said you, thus making it personal ) with it as is.

Yah I get what you mean don't worry 👍

 

[Earth]

I see many resemblances between Final Fantasy and Gran Turismo. Both had games release late on the PS3. Both games were received poorly by standards previous games set.

Square earnestly tried to fix many issues of Final Fantasy XIII with XIII-2. It was a honest apology game. Still though, the sales of the game dropped from 4.95M with XIII to 2.33M with XIII-2.

I expect a similar, if not worse drop with Gran Turismo 6 sales. Polyphony Digital is repeating the same mistakes and is not embarrassed one bit about it. So we're not even going to get an apology game.

Gran Turismo 6 will be competing with both Playstation 4 and Xbox Infinity in November. Thats like an ant competing with a boot. I can honestly see sales dropping from 10.5M (GT5) total to less then 6M over the next 2 years.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

One thing I don't get. Why is everyone complaining that this game will be GT5.5? They are basically making a new game. The physics being a major (if not the biggest) complaint in GT5, you would think you would be happy with the physics overhaul.

Honestly, I don't expect much from a overhaul in sound. It would be nice, but probably won't happen. Big deal. Not all the cars are bad. The standard cars, I hardly drive them anyway, except a few of them.

The graphics are better than pretty much every sim I have played (yes Forza too in my opinion). I have a few complaints with GT5, sure who wouldn't. For example the clutch physics are terrible. I shouldn't have to put the pedal all the way to the floor for the clutch to engage. One thing I hope they fix. If they do not fix it, sure I will be a little irritated, but I will still play it.

Well what sims have you played that can compare with GT6? We still have no idea how far the physics "overhaul" goes. So no one can comment on it, also as it has been explained in this thread. With the way PD promotes GT, if such a large amount of fixes were made to major parts of the game complained about, they'd have said so. However, it must be stressed that they could be saving larger announcements for E3; but the announcements given thus far and being quite limited on what is to be expected which PD usually doesn't do, people see the potential to easily be a GT 5.5 instead of a full new installment. Also many people have more than just a "few" issues, and forking over 60-70 dollars wont happen this time. Plenty of GT followers seemed to have learned their lesson after GT5 and will wait to see how GT6 acts.

 

[MeanElf]

I think the lion's share of the shrinkage is due to people buying a GT game purely because they've heard of it, but don't really know what it's about.

The games after all won't be to everyones' taste, so those people don't come back for second helpings. You'd be surprised at how many people buy a game without researching it.

There are other factors in play too, of course - the PC sim market has found its feet, so a certain number probably will migrate there and others prefer other aspects of racing games.

GT6 will still sell very well though.

 

[LeadFootLiam]

Gran Turismo 6 will be competing with both Playstation 4 and Xbox Infinity in November. Thats like an ant competing with a boot. I can honestly see sales dropping from 10.5M (GT5) total to less then 6M over the next 2 years.

I agree.

IDK why PD is releasing it on the PS3 as soon as the PS4 comes out. It confuses me as well because Kaz was on a video reel the PS4 announcement.

Really bad business decision IMO.

 

[Lock2Lock]

Well what sims have you played that can compare with GT6? We still have no idea how far the physics "overhaul" goes. So no one can comment on it, also as it has been explained in this thread. With the way PD promotes GT, if such a large amount of fixes were made to major parts of the game complained about, they'd have said so. However, it must be stressed that they could be saving larger announcements for E3; but the announcements given thus far and being quite limited on what is to be expected which PD usually doesn't do, people see the potential to easily be a GT 5.5 instead of a full new installment. Also many people have more than just a "few" issues, and forking over 60-70 dollars wont happen this time. Plenty of GT followers seemed to have learned their lesson after GT5 and will wait to see how GT6 acts.

I agree. I mean nothing can be confirmed yet. That's why i don't get why a lot of people are judging the game at this point with comments like "GT5.5". Too soon to tell. All we can go by is what PD has said and the game play videos. Which these videos show a lot of new suspension movement, which is showing bits and pieces of the new suspension model.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I agree. I mean nothing can be confirmed yet. That's why i don't get why a lot of people are judging the game at this point with comments like "GT5.5". Too soon to tell. All we can go by is what PD has said and the game play videos. Which these videos show a lot of new suspension movement, which is showing bits and pieces of the new suspension model.

Once again I'd rather them say or go into technical ends on if there is a new suspension model, there were plenty of people last time around that though they could see tire movement...yet we saw there wasn't a tire model, so that is also another thing I'd wait for. It would be nice to see if there is a true suspension model finally, but waiting is all we can do.

 

[Lock2Lock]

Once again I'd rather them say or go into technical ends on if there is a new suspension model, there were plenty of people last time around that though they could see tire movement...yet we saw there wasn't a tire model, so that is also another thing I'd wait for. It would be nice to see if there is a true suspension model finally, but waiting is all we can do.

Some of the videos out there show it. But like you said the technical aspects in settings, I hope change so we can adjust more.

And yes agreed. Tire model needs to be good.