The GT6 Epic Whining and Crying Thread

[Earth]

How silly and lazy does Polyphony Digital look now

The competition can release a game after them, and then another game on a NEW console by the time they release a second game on the OLD console

And the competition makes an exciting trailer with exciting new cars (McLaren P1) with new features (commentary)

So its quite clear GT6 on PS3 is a lazy cash grab. Polyphony has been playing catch up for years now and will continue to play catch up for years to come

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

Two small and easy changes that would have revolutionized trading.

How would you know how easy this may or may not be to change. You'd be surprised how many times I have had a customer request a change thinking it would be simple but actually required a lot of work and a lot of other changes and testing to make it happen. The opposite is also true where sometimes something is requested which seems like it would be very difficult but is actually very simple and can be done in minutes. Without knowing the code structure there is no way to say what effort would be required. The trading also was not part of the game it was something that users decided to do with the game because there was a way to do it and then they whine that it don't work the way they want it to.

Funny that you refer to PD as big brother for this. T10 bans people all the time for such things and you have to pay real $ to be able to do it at all in Forza where GT allows you to do it for free and do not ban you at the drop of a hat.

 

[Johnnypenso]

How would you know how easy this may or may not be to change. You'd be surprised how many times I have had a customer request a change thinking it would be simple but actually required a lot of work and a lot of other changes and testing to make it happen. The opposite is also true where sometimes something is requested which seems like it would be very difficult but is actually very simple and can be done in minutes. Without knowing the code structure there is no way to say what effort would be required. The trading also was not part of the game it was something that users decided to do with the game because there was a way to do it and then they whine that it don't work the way they want it to.

Funny that you refer to PD as big brother for this. T10 bans people all the time for such things and you have to pay real $ to be able to do it at all in Forza where GT allows you to do it for free and do not ban you at the drop of a hat.

All you need to do is add a permanent virtual tag to any car purchased or won in an event, unique to that player. The game already has a sequential counter built in, all you have to do is assign that number to each car that player acquires. Trades would be acknowledged within the software already, so once a trade is logged by the system, it acknowledges that you traded NSX Type S 01 (car #104 for me) That acknowledgment of that trade stays within the system, so when it reappears in your garage, it's automatically tagged (car #104 Duplicate) and cannot be traded. If you want to trade another NSX Type S 01, you need to acquire another one. Simple, and easy to do.

I refer to the solution as a Big Brother type of solution, which applies to any type of decision made for our supposed "good" that only makes things easier for the guy at the top, restricts the enjoyment of the game for some people, with no real benefit for the everyday player. I'm not into trading, I traded one car in 3 years, but I know guys that wanted every car, every paint chip, every suit etc and for them that was a big part of the game. I see the potential for it to be a big part of the game for many people if it's acknowledged by PD and managed instead of bandaided, which is what happened. There's no reason to limit my trading or selling my $20,000,000 Ferrari if you can easily design the game so that they only way I can acquire the car is honest.

 

[jabofu]

I always wanted GT6 for the PS4. If it is true that the fm5 trailer was no cgi, I wont be able to touch GT6. The PS4 could have meant a serious jump in graphics and more. It is not about rivaly between these games, GT just lives in the past.

I hope that many can enjoy GT6, because it will be a good game. Very sad to see that PD and Sony just dont care. People who only play GT and are not interested in other platforms and their sims are blessed. They will enjoy GT6.

 

[CodeName]

Will GT6 be released this summer? I don't know the date, but I doubt it will be released one month or a short period after the demo (knowing that it will be in jully).

 

[Encyclopedia]

Will GT6 be released this summer? I don't know the date, but I doubt it will be released one month or a short period after the demo (knowing that it will be in jully).

It's targeting the holidays if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Scaff]

How silly and lazy does Polyphony Digital look now

The competition can release a game after them, and then another game on a NEW console by the time they release a second game on the OLD console

And the competition makes an exciting trailer with exciting new cars (McLaren P1) with new features (commentary)

So its quite clear GT6 on PS3 is a lazy cash grab. Polyphony has been playing catch up for years now and will continue to play catch up for years to come

This is not a GT vs FM thread and I would strongly advise that you don't attempt to make it one.

That applies to everyone in here.

 

[georgetigra]

I say it again, a new console doesn't automatically result in better games.

I agree with you!

 

[TokoTurismo]

This is not a GT vs FM thread and I would strongly advise that you don't attempt to make it one.

That applies to everyone in here.

Thank you Scaff. 👍

 

[Earth]

If you're still defending Polyphony Digital after everything we've seen and heard over the past week, then theres no hope for you. GT5 was a major mistake, and I was willing to give them one more chance. Obviously their attitude is 'you're throwing money at us already, so why should we care to try and impress you'. Quite disrespectful, shameless, and arrogant.

And they're already said their primary reason for developing again for the PS3 was the large install base. Perfect decision for them, as stagnant graphics, sound, AI, and gameplay are a specialty of theirs.

Polyphony Digital is an incompetent company, with horrible time frames for endlessly developed and delayed games, very much like Square Enix. Like Square Enix they do make pretty graphics (or at least use to back in 2009 and have since been surpassed) but thats absolutely all. What type of company has to sell a 'prologue' to help defer development costs due to excessively long development periods? Really astounded that Sony lets them get away with this, but again many Polyphony Digital fans think Sony is the bad guy for 'forcing' the "early" Q4 2010 release of GT5.

Of course Square Enix has its legions of apologists, but even they have grown weary. Im quite confident theres enough people out there who wont take this anymore and will make their discontent known from the sales of GT6.

Myth #1 Polyphony Digital did not have enough time to create GT6 as a PS4 launch title

BUSTED

Myth #2 GT6 as a PS4 launch title is not possible as there is not enough of an install base and therefore they could not generate proper profit to fund the next game

BUSTED

Myth #3 Polyphony Digital gives a crap about the community and what we think

BUSTED

 

[avens]

How many times have you allegedly left the site in the last 7 days?

 

[MeanElf]

How many times have you allegedly left the site in the last 7 days?

Not often enough

Earth, I don't see how any of those 'myths' have been busted...but that's alright, you pootle on in your own little world, it's cool. As long as you're happy, then all is good. I am equally happy with my own choices by the way and I don't need a nanny to tell me what I should or shouldn't touch.

I do think you have the right to go and play what you want, just please stop pestering the rest of us about it.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Myth #1 Polyphony Digital did not have enough time to create GT6 as a PS4 launch title

IRRELEVANT. Whether they had enough time or not is irrelevant. Releasing GT6 on PS3 is the smartest business decision from a profit maximization standpoint. Huge install base for the PS3, majority of the nuts and bolts of the game already completed through GT5.

Myth #2 GT6 as a PS4 launch title is not possible as there is not enough of an install base and therefore they could not generate proper profit to fund the next game

TRUE. Since PS4 has a zero install base and would likely to be less than half the PS3 base within the first year, it makes common sense that sales will be lower than a PS3 release, until at least the second and probably third year of PS4. In the meantime, they can pull in $Half Billion on GT6 on PS3. Makes perfect sense to me.

Myth #3 Polyphony Digital gives a crap about the community and what we think

IRRELEVANT. You're applying personal emotions to a business model. Doesn't work. PD is a corporation in the business of churning out a product to make a profit. Of course they listen to feedback on their product, but they put as much effort into the next version of GT as they feel is necessary to generate the maximum profit. Resources are limited. Not everything can get done that needs to be done and still remain profitable. Fact of life that will never change.

 

[sumbrownkid]

I like how people call PD incompetent even when we don't know exactly how they do their work. Nor do we actually see them working. But so long as PD remains a relatively closed off developer, I guess folk like Earth can enjoy talking down on them.

PD could have made GT5 better, but I don't pretend I know how to make a good game.

 

[Tornado]

Myth #1 Polyphony Digital did not have enough time to create GT6 as a PS4 launch title

BUSTED

Myth #2 GT6 as a PS4 launch title is not possible as there is not enough of an install base and therefore they could not generate proper profit to fund the next game

BUSTED

Myth #3 Polyphony Digital gives a crap about the community and what we think

BUSTED

As far as I know, you don't wear a beret, so I question your credibility to bust myths in the first place. Nevermind posting as if simply typing the word "BUSTED" actually means anything.

 

[Scaff]

If you're still defending Polyphony Digital after everything we've seen and heard over the past week, then theres no hope for you. GT5 was a major mistake, and I was willing to give them one more chance. Obviously their attitude is 'you're throwing money at us already, so why should we care to try and impress you'. Quite disrespectful, shameless, and arrogant.

And they're already said their primary reason for developing again for the PS3 was the large install base. Perfect decision for them, as stagnant graphics, sound, AI, and gameplay are a specialty of theirs.

Polyphony Digital is an incompetent company, with horrible time frames for endlessly developed and delayed games, very much like Square Enix. Like Square Enix they do make pretty graphics (or at least use to back in 2009 and have since been surpassed) but thats absolutely all. What type of company has to sell a 'prologue' to help defer development costs due to excessively long development periods? Really astounded that Sony lets them get away with this, but again many Polyphony Digital fans think Sony is the bad guy for 'forcing' the "early" Q4 2010 release of GT5.

Of course Square Enix has its legions of apologists, but even they have grown weary. Im quite confident theres enough people out there who wont take this anymore and will make their discontent known from the sales of GT6.

Myth #1 Polyphony Digital did not have enough time to create GT6 as a PS4 launch title

BUSTED

Myth #2 GT6 as a PS4 launch title is not possible as there is not enough of an install base and therefore they could not generate proper profit to fund the next game

BUSTED

Myth #3 Polyphony Digital gives a crap about the community and what we think

BUSTED

Simply writing the word BUSTED doesn't make something a fact (but it could display a love of dubious boy bands).

 

[dr_slump]

Myth #3 Polyphony Digital gives a crap about the community and what we think

BUSTED

Oh that's something new to hear from you.
In this case you think PD listens to the community and tries to consider our points in the further development of GT.


What irony to contradict yourself.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

I'm guessing that Earth is having some aggression with PD or something if he made this many comments after claiming to be leaving.

 

[Earth]

How many times have you allegedly left the site in the last 7 days?

I'll stop posting in the GT6 forum, is that fine? Ive found that once you laugh at a joke for so long it begins to no longer be funny. Nobody, except a few hardcore, take Gran Turismo seriously anymore. So its even a waste of my time to make fun of it.

 

[Scaff]

Next one to go off topic gets two day ban.

 

[CC570]

-Whine on-

Unless PD gives me user specified Field Of View and face tracking capability, I'm not bothering to hook the ps3 back up to my wheel.

-Whine off-

 

[tillbot8]

-Whine on-

Look at the latest info Terronium-12 has just posted in the news section!

-Whine off-

 

[Simple Matt]

-Whine on-

Look at the latest info Terronium-12 has just posted in the news section!

-Whine off-

Hehehe I just looked at the heading.. 3..2..1 LET THE WHINING BEGIN!

But seriously, why haven't PD looked into CryEngine 3 or is there some legal stuff in the way..

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

Well, I guess I'm disappointed that PD is using the same cars from GT5 for GT6 and only adding on 200 cars at the most. On the bright side though, they're meeting my expectations of at least 400-500 premium cars at launch and adding more via dlc. The fact that some of the standards will be premiumized and the standards in general will look better though also to me makes up for putting the GT5 cars to GT6.

 

[ghostrider135]

Snip .. The fact that some of the standards will be premiumized and the standards in general will look better though also to me makes up for putting the GT5 cars to GT6.

Still doesn't hide the fact PD are still using base models from what is now 2 generations ago. Yes they are being improved .. So its still old out of date tech from what 12 years ago.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Still doesn't hide the fact PD are still using base models from what is now 2 generations ago. Yes they are being improved .. So its still old out of date tech from what 12 years ago.

I still think what PD did by updating the standard cars is better than ditching them out all together. T_T

Who cares if there from 12 years ago imo...

 

[ghostrider135]

I still think what PD did by updating the standard cars is better than ditching them out all together. T_T

Who cares if there from 12 years imo...

I've seen a few people none too pleased about it hence the numerous topics on the matter, Lets put it this way the PS2 life cycle is long over, The PS3 life cycle is ending, Standard cars are from the PS2 era and should have been phased out with that console.

 

[Imari]

I still think what PD did by updating the standard cars is better than ditching them out all together. T_T

Who cares if there from 12 years ago imo...

At what point do you draw the line? 20 years? 30 years?

Should they have included the cars from GT2 that aren't in the game?

Clearly there's a level at which it just becomes silly to include something so old. While that level is different for different people, I don't think it sets a particularly good precedent to start going down this road. At some point, they're going to have to ditch a lot of cars and have a version with less cars than the previous.

 

[TokoTurismo]

I've seen a few people none too pleased about it hence the numerous topics on the matter, Lets put it this way the PS2 life cycle is long over, The PS3 life cycle is ending, Standard cars are from the PS2 era and should have been phased out with that console.

So? Not like it's a surprise standard cars are even in GT6 anyway. Don't like them, don't drive them. Simple as. T_T

At what point do you draw the line? 20 years? 30 years?

Should they have included the cars from GT2 that aren't in the game?

Clearly there's a level at which it just becomes silly to include something so old. While that level is different for different people, I don't think it sets a particularly good precedent to start going down this road. At some point, they're going to have to ditch a lot of cars and have a version with less cars than the previous.

Such a pity way saying "oh should they include GT2 cars cause of standard cars", oh yawn... Like less cars will do anything, and how less are speaking at hmm? If it's less 100 no thanks. PD can ditch the standard cars at some point but as of now there here to stay, mind as well get used to it. T_T

 

[ghostrider135]

So? Not like it's a surprise standard cars are even in GT6 anyway. Don't like them, don't drive them. Simple as. T_T



Such a pity way saying "oh should they include GT2 cars cause of standard cars", oh yawn... Like less cars will do anything, and how less are speaking at hmm? If it's less 100 no thanks. PD can ditch the standard cars at some point but as of now there here to stay, mind as well get used to it. T_T

Been a while since I played GT5 it got that boring but from memory to complete all the events standard cars did have to be used from the top of my head two that spring to mind are Chapparel 2j and FGT.

Also that there is a pointless excuse, They dropped the PS1 era cars, GT3 had a sixth the number or cars that they had in GT2, Enough said really.