The GT6 Epic Whining and Crying Thread

[C_Raccoon23]

Finally someone who gets it! Although I wouldn't agree that AI is a big issue as I'm more focused on the online aspect of the game, with which they certainly failed as well.

This place is full of GT fanboys who will pre-order GT6 just for the sake of it, without knowing anything about the game basically, or if it will be any good.

What if only half or a third of these people would pre-order the game? Perhaps PD would then start to improve their work in the future?

We seem to be disagreeing a lot, huh?

I pre-ordered GT6 as soon as it was available and I am far from a GT fanboy. I have been VERY critical of GT5 and I also think Forza is the better racing game at the moment. I don't know. I guess I have enough tolerance to give PD a second chance.

But if GT6 somehow manages to disappoint me, which I'm hopeful it won't, then so long to my plan of getting a PS4 once GT7 is announced.

 

[Furinkazen]

Finally someone who gets it! Although I wouldn't agree that AI is a big issue as I'm more focused on the online aspect of the game, with which they certainly failed as well.

This place is full of GT fanboys who will pre-order GT6 just for the sake of it, without knowing anything about the game basically, or if it will be any good.

What if only half or a third of these people would pre-order the game? Perhaps PD would then start to improve their work in the future?

They failed on online how? Apart from server issues every so often?

 

[Strittan]

We seem to be disagreeing a lot, huh?

I don't believe I was talking to you, but whatever.

Oh, and only because you are not a fanboy doesn't mean there aren't any, does it?

They failed on online how? Apart from server issues every so often?

Yeah, plus all the lagging and glitches. Ain't that enough?

There could've been a number of different official online racing series sanctioned by PD themselves, for example.

 

[TokoTurismo]

*Sniff sniff* Me smell rage in this thread, and don't care who it is. This is a place for whining and crying soooo.

 

[Furinkazen]

I don't believe I was talking to you, but whatever.

Oh, and only because you are not a fanboy doesn't mean there aren't any, does it?

Yeah, plus all the lagging and glitches. Ain't that enough?

There could've been a number of different official online racing series sanctioned by PD themselves, for example.

Lag exists on most games, and why would you want "Official" series?

 

[Strittan]

Lag exists on most games, and why would you want "Official" series?

Because having played iRacing I want to imagine they make up for some great racing, and they are very easy to attend.

It would also be a good thing if these official races applied to a safety rating system, which would keep all the punters out of there. 👍

 

[avens]

Because having played iRacing I want to imagine they make up for some great racing, and they are very easy to attend.

It would also be a good thing if these official races applied to a safety rating system, which would keep all the punters out of there. 👍

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/featu...urismo-6s-director-talks.aspx?PostPageIndex=2

It's going to be in GT6.

 

[MeanElf]

...This place is full of GT fanboys who will pre-order GT6 just for the sake of it, without knowing anything about the game basically, or if it will be any good...

I seriously doubt that is the case, especially considering how much discussion has been going back and forth for the past six months or so.

Sure, some will buy without knowing anything, but most will have plenty of idea what can be expected - the evidence is all around you, if you care to look.

 

[Strittan]

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2013/08/22/gran-turismo-6s-director-talks.aspx?PostPageIndex=2

It's going to be in GT6.

That's great news. Totally missed that! 👍

I seriously doubt that is the case, especially considering how much discussion has been going back and forth for the past six months or so.

Sure, some will buy without knowing anything, but most will have plenty of idea what can be expected - the evidence is all around you, if you care to look.

You missed my point, being that nobody knows anything about GT6. Well, not much anyway, and that includes both me and you.

 

[MeanElf]

...You missed my point, being that nobody knows anything about GT6. Well, not much anyway, and that includes both me and you.

I certainly hope I didn't

Sure, there has been far more speculation than actual confirmation about GT6 - but we do have a good idea about what is new, some details about those parts, plus there are of course the characteristic things that all of the games have had. I'd say that mounts up to a fair slice of knowledge all in all.

I mean. I'm not going to list it all here, but I for one know that we have better photomode/travel options over GT5

We also have a more consistent look to the vehicle quality (still partly assumed, but stated) and aftermarket options.

Improved course creator, improved online options including championship races.

More weather/time change tracks.

In other areas such as sound improvement, statements to the effect that these are being worked on have been made repeatedly.

Like I say there is more, but I feel we already know quite a bit. Some surprises are needed though.

 

[ImmalovemaGTR]

Epic cry:

Noooo full livery editoor in GT6... wahhhhh...sniff...sniff
aaaaand nooo TGTT.... wahhhhwahhhwahhhh

 

[CorvetteConquer]

Epic cry:

Noooo full livery editoor in GT6... wahhhhh...sniff...sniff
aaaaand nooo TGTT.... wahhhhwahhhwahhhh

lol, pretty funny!

I can't wait to see what TGS has in store....Kaz has some funky ideas.

 

[wowbaggerBR]

15th Anniversary Liveries looks like the most lazy and boring work made by a 2d artist in the last 15 years in the industry. They boosted car count and created a pre order bonus in about 15 minutes of man's work.

To Lameness and beyond!

It's ugly as hell. And that kind of design makes me wonder what kind of templates you get from this people on a livery editor. But this is not whining. I won't buy this Anniversary edition anyways, so I'm free of the ugliness.

My whining: Sounds. I see that cars like DBR9 and GT3 Vantage V12 will be in the game. Either you get the sounds of these cars right, or GTFO, PD.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Oh, and only because you are not a fanboy doesn't mean there aren't any, does it?

I'm not denying that at all. But it sound liked you were labeling people who decided to pre-order GT6. After all, none of us will know if the game is any good until we have it running in our PS3s.

 

[Imari]

I'm not denying that at all. But it sound liked you were labeling people who decided to pre-order GT6. After all, none of us will know if the game is any good until we have it running in our PS3s.

Still, if you take the fanboy bit out of his comment, he does sort of have a point. There is a large amount of people on GTP that are happy to buy GT6 on the basis of extremely limited information. It's getting better now, but pre-Gamescom there wasn't much more than "GT5 with more cars and tracks and better everything".

The fact that PD/Sony know that they can sell a lot of copies just based on that, likely strongly affect how they approach designing each game.

 

[napalmhardcore]

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/featu...urismo-6s-director-talks.aspx?PostPageIndex=2

Reading that article on page one he says "we received a lot of feedback from players and community members over the last three years". Over the years I've visited the various sites related to Polyphony and Gran Turismo, but I have never been able to find a means of contacting them. I've heard they are on Twitter but I refuse to sign up to something I don't want to just to leave feedback.

I've mentioned before on this and other threads that there are some very basic and fundamental ways in which to improve the game. One thing that ALL modern racing games should have if they are at least semi-sim, is the ability to explicitly set FOV. In the case of games that have an actual cockpit view, the ability to move the seat position is also important. Many people nowadays have a steering wheel setup. Being able to get the FOV and seat position just right are absolutely critical, yet so many games overlook this.

Another small thing that could be done is allowing us to choose our own opponents for arcade races. Let us choose standing or rolling start. They put the Top Gear test track in the game and didn't include any of the reasonably priced cars, WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!?

I could go on all day about ways to improve the game that are easily implemented but the majority of people harp on about the same handful of topics over and over. That means it is the same handful of topics that get discussed over and over when games sites have an interview with Kaz. It is incredibly frustrating.

 

[eran0004]

The fact that PD/Sony know that they can sell a lot of copies just based on that, likely strongly affect how they approach designing each game.

Assuming that their only motivation is to earn money.

 

[PepeMickey]

Assuming that their only motivation is to earn money.

It is a bussiness after all and don't forget that PD and Kaz are just the face of the whole operation, Sony is behind the project and they are the ones that want to make loads of money.

 

[HKS racer]

It is a bussiness after all and don't forget that PD and Kaz are just the face of the whole operation, Sony is behind the project and they are the ones that want to make loads of money.

But you can't say it's Sony's fault if we don't have a livery editor. Sony ask PD number sales they don't ask features. As long as GT sell well, Sony will not force PD to do anything different than what they are doing. People must vote with their wallet. If you feel GT need a change you know what to do.

 

[DawgCCCP]

I joing the whining xD

SOUNDS SOUNDS!

When I hear 1JZ single turbo/RB26DETT/V8 Supercharched/V10/V12 etc engine I want to hear those sexy sounds!

 

[Imari]

Assuming that their only motivation is to earn money.

Not at all. They're a business, so they need to make a certain amount of money in order to survive. Beyond that, it's open season.

The thing is, PD is pretty much guaranteed enough sales to survive simply by putting out GT5 with some extra cars and tracks. They don't have to do anything fancy at all. Which means that beyond that, they can spend their time on whatever they like.

If you're a company that's on the ragged edge between profitability and bankruptcy, you have to pay perfect attention to what your customers want and deliver on that. PD don't have that. They are the free roaming artistes, able to do what they see fit because they have a stable income that is largely due to their past excellence, rather than current performance.

Maybe that's good, and one day we'll see something spectacular and revolutionary out of them. At the moment I see GT1 with some bells on, and falling slowly behind what is expected of a modern racing game.

 

[Zer0]

Still, if you take the fanboy bit out of his comment, he does sort of have a point. There is a large amount of people on GTP that are happy to buy GT6 on the basis of extremely limited information. It's getting better now, but pre-Gamescom there wasn't much more than "GT5 with more cars and tracks and better everything".

The fact that PD/Sony know that they can sell a lot of copies just based on that, likely strongly affect how they approach designing each game.

Haters gonna hate and lovers gonna love, thankfully there are tons more of the last than the first. Some people fail to understand that maybe GT is not for them but insist in their frustration instead of accept a different game or move on. And Kaz knows that.

Who is the ideal audience for Gran Turismo 6?

KY: Every time we launch a new title, I go back and I see points that I should have done this way or that way. So Gran Turismo 6 is really something where we took GT 5 and corrected all of the things that we thought should have been done better. So the target is not so much a certain age group, it's really for people that love GT.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Haters gonna hate and lovers gonna love, thankfully there are tons more of the last than the first. Some people fail to understand that maybe GT is not for them but insist in their frustration instead of accept a different game or move on. And Kaz knows that.

👍 +1

 

[Tornado]

Holy quotes out of context, Batman.

 

[lancia delta hf]

Still, if you take the fanboy bit out of his comment, he does sort of have a point. There is a large amount of people on GTP that are happy to buy GT6 on the basis of extremely limited information. It's getting better now, but pre-Gamescom there wasn't much more than "GT5 with more cars and tracks and better everything".

The fact that PD/Sony know that they can sell a lot of copies just based on that, likely strongly affect how they approach designing each game.

It is worrying too that their has benn no real mention on single layer mode and its structure, If you take Driverclub for example they keep on banging on about core gameplay of their game, PD seam to think this isnt something they should sell the game on (people buying gt blindly is obviously why), It amazes me to read that kaz also says their wont be a full livary editor after 3 years of gt fans begging for it

Haters gonna hate and lovers gonna love, thankfully there are tons more of the last than the first. Some people fail to understand that maybe GT is not for them but insist in their frustration instead of accept a different game or move on. And Kaz knows that.

And here is PD's licence to keep on staying out of touch

 

[napalmhardcore]

Not at all. They're a business, so they need to make a certain amount of money in order to survive. Beyond that, it's open season.

The thing is, PD is pretty much guaranteed enough sales to survive simply by putting out GT5 with some extra cars and tracks. They don't have to do anything fancy at all. Which means that beyond that, they can spend their time on whatever they like.

If you're a company that's on the ragged edge between profitability and bankruptcy, you have to pay perfect attention to what your customers want and deliver on that. PD don't have that. They are the free roaming artistes, able to do what they see fit because they have a stable income that is largely due to their past excellence, rather than current performance.

Maybe that's good, and one day we'll see something spectacular and revolutionary out of them. At the moment I see GT1 with some bells on, and falling slowly behind what is expected of a modern racing game.

I agree with pretty much everything you said there. PD have been resting on their laurels for a while now. Although I enjoyed GT4 because of it's car selection, the last game they made where they seemed to be pushing for excellence was GT3 imo.

My summary of the Gran Turismo series (not including prologue type games):

GT1: First outing and they nailed it. Set the benchmark for what a console racing game could be.
GT2: Great improvement over GT1, was huge, ambitious and still impresses me today how far they pushed the PS1.
GT3: Mind blowing. The leap in fidelity over what the PS1 could offer took my breath away.
GT4: Great car selection, some small refinements over GT3. Imo while the high speed handling was a little better, I found the mid speed handling worse, especially in terms of over/understeer.
GT5: What the hell took you so long? Your main rivals have have put you to shame in so many areas it's not even funny. As of FM4 even your physics superiority is heavily debated (I personally have not played FM4 but have read arguments from people that either/and own both, also play PC sims and do track days).
GT6: While we will have to wait and see, the impression I am getting is it will be GT5.5. Maybe I'm wrong but time will tell.

 

[Imari]

Haters gonna hate and lovers gonna love, thankfully there are tons more of the last than the first. Some people fail to understand that maybe GT is not for them but insist in their frustration instead of accept a different game or move on. And Kaz knows that.

No, it's that neither of those groups have any objectivity towards the game. I don't find the opinion of somebody who buys GT6 just because it's GT6 any more valid than the opinion of somebody who refuses to buy it because it's GT6.

They're both judging on name alone.

The interesting people are the ones that are either buying it but are accept that there could be issues that would make it not worth purchasing, and the people that aren't buying but are looking to be convinced that they should.

The people who continue to tell others that they should bugger off and play something else can get stuffed, in my opinion.

 

[ShiftingGears]

Haters gonna hate and lovers gonna love, thankfully there are tons more of the last than the first. Some people fail to understand that maybe GT is not for them but insist in their frustration instead of accept a different game or move on. And Kaz knows that.

I really dislike the use of the word "hater". It's an ad hominem argument used by people who cannot argue against legitimate criticisms of something they like, and it adds little to a discussion forum.

 

[MXH]

It amazes me to read that kaz also says their wont be a full livary editor after 3 years of gt fans begging for it

I'm certainly sure it has been requested ever since the FM1/GT4 ''era'', for lack of a better term.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I really dislike the use of the word "hater". It's an ad hominem argument used by people who cannot argue against legitimate criticisms of something they like, and it adds little to a discussion forum.

This must be your introduction to Zer0 posts, then.

Naturally, I'll agree that the "hater" and "whiner" complaints are the go-to for those that'd rather take part in a reasonable, critical discussion. Toss the word "troll" in there too, as it's rarely applied correctly.