The GT6 Epic Whining and Crying Thread

[wowbaggerBR]

GT7 less than a year from now?

Would be reasonable. PD and Sony knows about PS4 since 2011, right?

Well, PD could do something like Naughty Dog did to make Uncharted 3 and The Last of Us almost at the same time: split teams, good management and a very precise schedule. The results are two of the most interesting games for PS3 era.

But PD works on a very peculiar rhythm. Sony don't push them and the results we already know.

 

[Imari]

I'll put my money on 10,000,000 in the first calender year.

GT6. Sells 10 million copies between 6 Dec 2013 and 6 Dec 2014?

Hah.

You forgot the smiley to go with that facetious comment.

 

[TokoTurismo]

GT6. Sells 10 million copies between 6 Dec 2013 and 6 Dec 2014?

Hah.

You forgot the smiley to go with that facetious comment.

But, but. You never know, it "possibly" could achieve that since its on PS3.

Also, it could even possibly achieve those sells by bundling GT6 with the PS3, since the PS3 is now cheap.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I'll put my money on 10,000,000 in the first calender year.

I'll take that bet, it'd be easy money!

Would be reasonable. PD and Sony knows about PS4 since 2011, right?

They knew about PS3 since 2004-ish. GT5 came when?

Well, PD could do something like Naughty Dog did to make Uncharted 3 and The Last of Us almost at the same time: split teams, good management and a very precise schedule. The results are two of the most interesting games for PS3 era.

PD's already got a smallish team considering the product they're tasked with releasing. Splitting it would increase the wait time for both a PS3 game and PS4. Admittedly, though, they can start working on a PS4 GT game in a few months (if they haven't already), with only a small team needed to deal with the DLC requirements (and likely lots of patches) for GT6.

Good management (of time, at any rate), and a very precise schedule? Those haven't exactly been demonstrated to us lately, so I wouldn't expect it now. I do hope for it, and some signs have been promising - like waiting to even officially announce GT6 at what turned out to be just over half a year before the release date - but I'll remain skeptical for now.

But PD works on a very peculiar rhythm. Sony don't push them and the results we already know.

Talk to some folks, and you'll hear that Sony did indeed push PD; hell, they'll tell you GT5 was "rushed"!

 

[TokoTurismo]

I'll take that bet, it'd be easy money!

GASP!

 

[Johnnypenso]

GT6. Sells 10 million copies between 6 Dec 2013 and 6 Dec 2014?

Hah.

You forgot the smiley to go with that facetious comment.

I'll take that bet, it'd be easy money!

Give me 2:1 odds and give me until the end of December 2014 (or 1 calender year from release date in case it's late) on any car (virtual) under $1,000,000 (or any car if there is no limit) and it's a bet!!!

I believe GT6 is going to blow the doors off every game before it in a number of ways and will take the market by storm in spite of it's flaws and shortcomings relative to PC sims. It won't be anywhere close to it's potential and it's rivals will still be way ahead in specific areas, but as a package, it cannot or I should say, will not, be beaten.

 

[wowbaggerBR]

Good management (of time, at any rate), and a very precise schedule? Those haven't exactly been demonstrated to us lately, so I wouldn't expect it now. I do hope for it, and some signs have been promising - like waiting to even officially announce GT6 at what turned out to be just over half a year before the release date - but I'll remain skeptical for now.

I know all that. I just said, IMHO, that GT6 in Dec 2013 and GT PS4 in mid-2014 could be done with reasonable management.

 

[ildd]

Gt5 sold 10 million as of March of this year-i think that's when the XL edition came out, right?
Gt6...I can't see it. It comes out after what I think will be the most sold console after 1 week(sales in 1 week, not of all time...) and all of the "dissapointed" fans of gt5 will be reluctant to buy gt6.

 

[CorvetteConquer]

Casuals gamers must have been disappointed with GT5. I can't see GT6 selling more than 10 million. Not yet. Not with what we know right now.

And that serves PD right. When you make an utterly **** game, you should be "punished". Unfortunately, the PS3 has little to no competition so PD only got a little slap on the wrist from mostly mediocre reviews. No competition means that we'll take whatever we get. For better or worse.

 

[Imari]

I believe GT7 is going to blow the doors off every game before it in a number of ways and will take the market by storm in spite of it's flaws and shortcomings relative to PC sims. It won't be anywhere close to it's potential and it's rivals will still be way ahead in specific areas, but as a package, it cannot or I should say, will not, be beaten.

I'm guessing you mean GT6 and not 7 here, but it hardly matters.

GT6 cannot be out and out beaten, simply because they've fudged the numbers with the standards. The rest of the game could be oh-my-god-awful, and still no other game could objectively beat it on all fronts because no other game will have 1200+ cars.

And so far, numbers and possibly Photomode are the only areas I can think of where GT is unquestionable first in class. Everything else has at least one game (and sometimes several) that do it better.

So it really depends on what you value. If you want a single game that sort of covers all bases, GT does well as a jack of all trades, master of none. If you have a specific area of simulation that you focus on more than others, GT5 has shown that you're probably better getting the game that does that better. GT6 doesn't look to me like it's changing that.

 

[Tornado]

Gt5 sold 10 million as of March of this year-i think that's when the XL edition came out, right?

XL Edition came out in January of last year.

 

[ildd]

XL Edition came out in January of last year.

wow time flies when you already bought everything
well, it's still the best-selling PS3 game of all time(10.6 million)...until GTA5 comes out...

And GT5(5.3 million) is the 2nd best-selling. That says a lot about this franchise... I don't think GT6 will hit 10 million(i'm thinking 7.5 MAX when its all said and done with due to PS4)

 

[TokoTurismo]

wow time flies when you already bought everything
well, it's still the best-selling PS3 game of all time(10.6 million)...until GTA5 comes out...

And GT5(5.3 million) is the 2nd best-selling. That says a lot about this franchise... I don't think GT6 will hit 10 million(i'm thinking 7.5 MAX when its all said and done with due to PS4)

Indeed. I'm thinking around 4mil - 5mil, and increase over time. No racing games on the PS3 will get in GT6's way. Oh wait, theres none!

YEYA!!!

I remember saying I don't care for sells, but this I need to see.

 

[Zer0]

Looking at this thread never cease to amaze me, is like looking throught a parallel universe of negativity and worst expectatives expresed with a true conviction of reality.

Meanwhile in the real world:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-21-reassessing-gran-turismo-5-article
http://www.play-mag.co.uk/features/top-4-games-that-needed-a-delay/
http://gamer.blorge.com/2012/11/05/...-million-encroaching-on-forza-lifetime-sales/
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/15/gran-turismo-5-10-million-sold-and-counting
http://67.227.255.239/forum/showpost.php?p=66387361&postcount=1


GT6 total sales will depend of the time gap between GT7 in PS4 and how many updates and support will receive after the launch. A 10M is unlikely but also was for GT4 some years back. DLC and updated disc versions would be also important this time, more than in GT5. What is a sure bet is that the world is waiting for a new GT and that will be reflected in the sales.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Looking at this thread never cease to amaze me, is like looking throught a parallel universe of negativity and worst expectatives expresed with a true conviction of reality.

Oh the irony of this entire post, I mean usually you are one of the more insightful mega-proponents for PD/GT but also have this inane concept of reality and yet...

 

[Johnnypenso]

I'm guessing you mean GT6 and not 7 here, but it hardly matters.

GT6 cannot be out and out beaten, simply because they've fudged the numbers with the standards. The rest of the game could be oh-my-god-awful, and still no other game could objectively beat it on all fronts because no other game will have 1200+ cars.

And so far, numbers and possibly Photomode are the only areas I can think of where GT is unquestionable first in class. Everything else has at least one game (and sometimes several) that do it better.

So it really depends on what you value. If you want a single game that sort of covers all bases, GT does well as a jack of all trades, master of none. If you have a specific area of simulation that you focus on more than others, GT5 has shown that you're probably better getting the game that does that better. GT6 doesn't look to me like it's changing that.

Yes I meant GT6 thanks for the correction.

I'm not talking about numbers of cars, they have that won already, even though it's fake, most of the casual buyers don't care. They see big numbers and that's all that matters which also to a great degree negates the value that hardcore sim guys place on the game. The tire model sucks/sounds suck/iRacing is better all adds up to "I don't care I've got Silverstone, Bathurst, Brands Hatch, Spa etc., 1200 cars including many new, highly detailed classics, Ronda, a decent online mode and the most beautiful photos I've ever seen from a videogame flooding the net." I'm guessing many people will not believe it's a videogame from the photos.

The new course creator/photomode locations will be posted online within minutes of sale and will be in the millions in short order. That is a free marketing tool that cannot be underestimated. The level of detail is amazing, even if it's only a photo. New classic cars, new classic tracks, what looks like a proper online mode with P/Q/Race, 70+ million PS3 install base, monthly DLC, massive cross promotion with the automotive industry...looks like a can't miss to me. So is the bet on?

Looking at this thread never cease to amaze me, is like looking throught a parallel universe of negativity and worst expectatives expresed with a true conviction of reality.

Meanwhile in the real world:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-21-reassessing-gran-turismo-5-article
http://www.play-mag.co.uk/features/top-4-games-that-needed-a-delay/
http://gamer.blorge.com/2012/11/05/...-million-encroaching-on-forza-lifetime-sales/
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/15/gran-turismo-5-10-million-sold-and-counting
http://67.227.255.239/forum/showpost.php?p=66387361&postcount=1


GT6 total sales will depend of the time gap between GT7 in PS4 and how many updates and support will receive after the launch. A 10M is unlikely but also was for GT4 some years back. DLC and updated disc versions would be also important this time, more than in GT5. What is a sure bet is that the world is waiting for a new GT and that will be reflected in the sales.

In spite of negative reviews, damning in many cases and certainly negative enough in some ways that if it were any other game would have caused me to avoid buying, the game still sold 11 million units. The GT series has a certain momentum that almost no matter what happens short of a total, unplayable disaster, will still sell 10 million units, it's just a question of how long it will take. I think GT6 will be the GT5 we thought we were getting and the public will eat it up. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see it top 15 million before GT7 comes out.

 

[ildd]

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So is the bet on?

I'll bet it gets 10 million but not in the 365 days after release

 

[napalmhardcore]

Let me get this straight. GT5 only surpassed 10 million sales earlier this year. And there are people here that believe GT6 will sell that in a year?

Are you forgetting that by the time GT5 came out we had been waiting for five years, so anyone that was even mildly interested in Gran Turismo was desperate for it? On top of that GT5 was met by mixed reception by both critics and long time fans, as well as the fact that pretty much all of the most requested features are either unconfirmed or will not be in the game.

Does not seem likely at all. Especially being that PS4 is coming out. I personally think it is a good thing that they didn't try to quickly port it to the PS4 but it will still most likely detract from its sales.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Let me get this straight. GT5 only surpassed 10 million sales earlier this year. And there are people here that believe GT6 will sell that in a year?

Are you forgetting that by the time GT5 came out we had been waiting for five years, so anyone that was even mildly interested in Gran Turismo was desperate for it? On top of that GT5 was met by mixed reception by both critics and long time fans, as well as the fact that pretty much all of the most requested features are either unconfirmed or will not be in the game.

Does not seem likely at all. Especially being that PS4 is coming out. I personally think it is a good thing that they didn't try to quickly port it to the PS4 but it will still most likely detract from its sales.

This is more or less my reasoning and I'm one of those long time fans.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I'm guessing many people will not believe it's a videogame from the photos.

Quite possibly, though it'll be a lot easier to fool them with the Photomode images of the various next-gen racing games that will be releasing before GT6.

Though I will readily admit, it's quite easy to do with GT5 images, especially with a few quick touches in Photoshop

So is the bet on?

Absolutely, at least for me. Especially with this:

I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see it top 15 million before GT7 comes out.

If you think GT6 will sell more than the highest-selling GT game of all-time, well, I want whatever you're having... but I'll settle for the in-game cars

This is more or less my reasoning and I'm one of those long time fans.

Indeed. GT3 enjoyed pretty much the perfect situation to sell a ton of copies; lots of package deals with a system that utterly dominated its generation, with sales numbers for the hardware that are likely not to be seen again for a long time, and an early release in the system's life (with delays to its sequel no less). GT6 is coming out a few weeks after Sony's released the newer system, and is building incrementally on a game from three years ago, whereas GT3 was a complete and utter transformation from what had come before.

It'll sell, absolutely - the GT name does that - but it won't match GT5, nevermind GT3.

 

[napalmhardcore]

This is more or less my reasoning and I'm one of those long time fans.

If it does sell 10 million in one year I'll spend the entire next year with my jaw level with my knees.

 

[Johnnypenso]

You guys are looking at it from a personal perspective and your reasoning makes sense for you personally. The masses are different. Keep in mind, GT6 is a premium game with endless hours of gameplay and one of the last to be released on PS3 with a 70+ million install base. The number of titles available next year as new, with ongoing DLC support will decline rapidly. 70 million families will be stuck with this old hardware and the majority will not upgrade to PS4 in one year. GT6 is going to look pretty good to most of them this and next holiday season.

It'll sell, absolutely - the GT name does that - but it won't match GT5, nevermind GT3.

You accepted my bet, now I'll accept and I'll give you 2-1 odds as well!!

 

[napalmhardcore]

You guys are looking at it from a personal perspective and your reasoning makes sense for you personally. The masses are different. Keep in mind, GT6 is a premium game with endless hours of gameplay and one of the last to be released on PS3 with a 70+ million install base. The number of titles available next year as new, with ongoing DLC support will decline rapidly. 70 million families will be stuck with this old hardware and the majority will not upgrade to PS4 in one year. GT6 is going to look pretty good to most of them this and next holiday season.

Your argument is sound, but I had already taken this into account and weighed it up against what I said. I still don't see it happening.

 

[PepeMickey]

Looking at this thread never cease to amaze me, is like looking throught a parallel universe of negativity and worst expectatives expresed with a true conviction of reality.

Meanwhile in the real world:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-21-reassessing-gran-turismo-5-article
http://www.play-mag.co.uk/features/top-4-games-that-needed-a-delay/
http://gamer.blorge.com/2012/11/05/...-million-encroaching-on-forza-lifetime-sales/
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/15/gran-turismo-5-10-million-sold-and-counting
http://67.227.255.239/forum/showpost.php?p=66387361&postcount=1


GT6 total sales will depend of the time gap between GT7 in PS4 and how many updates and support will receive after the launch. A 10M is unlikely but also was for GT4 some years back. DLC and updated disc versions would be also important this time, more than in GT5. What is a sure bet is that the world is waiting for a new GT and that will be reflected in the sales.

I wonder how many journalists and writers actually know something about cars and motorsport...

 

[SlipZtrEm]

You guys are looking at it from a personal perspective and your reasoning makes sense for you personally.

Oh, I'm not even looking at it personally; I'm looking at how PS1 and PS2's GT titles fared. And those both had more time between their second titles and the subsequent generations hardware (which is -3 weeks in GT6's case). Though naturally, I'll say it'd definitely be in PD's interests for you to be right .

I get what you're saying with the rest, I really do. Well, except for that bit about next holiday season.

You accepted my bet, now I'll accept and I'll give you 2-1 odds as well!!

Hey, it should be fun, either way

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

If it does sell 10 million in one year I'll spend the entire next year with my jaw level with my knees.

If it happens it happens, no skin off my back, but the formula to sell that well and that fast as Slipz said is very difficult to come by. GT6 will not be in that formula really.

 

[napalmhardcore]

If it happens it happens, no skin off my back, but the formula to sell that well and that fast as Slipz said is very difficult to come by. GT6 will not be in that formula really.

It could happen, I'm just saying I would be surprised. When GT5 was on the horizon it was the first full Gran Turismo for the PS3, plus people had been waiting for so long they were itching to get their hands on it. Since GT5 didn't live up to the hype, I think people in general are a little more wary about buying on faith. I know I am.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

It could happen, I'm just saying I would be surprised. When GT5 was on the horizon it was the first full Gran Turismo for the PS3, plus people had been waiting for so long they were itching to get their hands on it. Since GT5 didn't live up to the hype, I think people in general are a little more wary about buying on faith. I know I am.

So am I, I bought a PS3 for GT5 that means I passed up playing the PS3 until late 2010.

 

[napalmhardcore]

So am I, I bought a PS3 for GT5 that means I passed up playing the PS3 until late 2010.

I was impatient and bought at launch. I was flush at the time so I thought I'd treat myself. In retrospect, I should have waited for the price to drop.

 

[shved111]

I've got a theory that Drive club is not just a game, it's an ultimatum for the GT by Sony.

If GT does not develop quickly, then Sony will turn Drive club of arcades, a direct competitor to GT and FM, with all the attributes of the console auto simulator. And to the right, bulk of funding from the GT to Drive club.
The creators Drive club in an interview talked a lot about the GT, that is not going to compete. But the fact that they mention GT already alarming