The GT6 Epic Whining and Crying Thread

[HuskyGT]

I didn't even want to look at this thread but I can't help to complain about something... three months is too much of a wait.

That and the Top Gear Test track not being in the game...

 

[avens]

Which is expected,I am not expecting GT6 to redefine the racing genre,just want it to raise PD's and Fan's bar.

We need a GT game for this generation that we will talk about for years,so far we haven't got,I have faith PD will come good with GT6 so heres hoping

Of course. Sure objectively GT5 was quite disappointing for everyone, but GT6 is way better than it and is a day 1 purchase for me. It's the second game I'm expecting the most, with GTA5 being in first place (big San Andreas fan).

 

[White & Nerdy]

I didn't even want to look at this thread but I can't help to complain about something... three months is too much of a wait.

That and the Top Gear Test track not being in the game...

 

[sems4arsenal]

Of course. Sure objectively GT5 was quite disappointing for everyone, but GT6 is way better than it and is a day 1 purchase for me. It's the second game I'm expecting the most, with GTA5 being in first place (big San Andreas fan).

In the same boat,these two are delaying my PS4 purchase.

 

[machschnel]

The last few pages of this thread are hilarious.

So you find other people views "hilarious"? How very tolerant of you...

if Sony somehow allows for PS3-backward compatibility on PS4 at some point with all functionality (online and wheels) during the time we wait for the GT7.

Why would the PS4 need backwards compatibilty? Isn't GT6 skipping the 3, saving for the 4?

Reality-check would really come handy sometimes.

Indeed

Sometimes people love to think they are the only people in the world and that only their opinion is valid. What a strange world we live in.

Yeah, like people who come to a thread made specifically for the "whiners" and tell them that their views are hilarious.

 

[ildd]

Why would the PS4 need backwards compatibilty? Isn't GT6 skipping the 3, saving for the 4?.

Please don't post on this forum if you're uneducated

 

[mr_serious]

The last few pages of this thread are hilarious.

I often highlight that many of GTPlanets' 245,284 registered members - registered through last 10 years - somehow think how their subjective and personal criticism or even more, collective criticism-points (sounds, 2D trees, no Forza-like Livery Editor, no engine swapping, no iracing-type of simulation, etc.) means something to rest of 10+ million buyers of GT series worldwide.

Some here act in an absolutely strange way like there is no real world outside of GTP or some "Mad Sim Bro" communities - and simply can't accept there are millions and millions people out there that love, buy and play Gran Turismo games because what they are and waste no time in arguing about what they are not, or what they should be from subjective and personal perspective of some "honest critic" or whatever.

Reality-check would really come handy sometimes.

You make a good point. However I would say that the 5 people I introduced to the GT series between GT1 & GT4 never go to forums & don't particularly like racing games in general or simulators at all. However they all liked the previous versions of GT.

All of them pre-ordered GT5 and bought PS3s just to play it on. None of them were playing GT5 within a couple of months of release. The life had been sucked out of the game.

So it is not just us vocal, forum warring GT fans who were very disappointed with GT5.

None of us are pre-ordering and none of us would have bought a PS4 just to play it.

The difference between them & me is that I still harbour some small hope that PD will finally fix the AI so that they don't have to add all the other fluff to try (and fail) to make it interesting.

 

[Zer0]

Sure objectively GT5 was quite disappointing for everyone,

Objectively and for everyone?... , see below.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=7348

 

[tpark103]

I like how everyone is still complaining about getting 20 cars free for preordering.

JUST DON'T ENTER THE CODE. It's not that hard.

Seriously? I personally want every car I can get. I try not to put miles on my special cars ie preorder models however, I do like having them. I liked having my Edge Camero and if there is any other specialty cars I can get my grubby paws on, I will do so. As for what everybody else does 🤬 them.

 

[avens]

Please don't post on this forum if you're uneducated

The quoted person is making a reference to a a riddle from amar in which he showcased inside info, which ended up being wrong so machschnel is basically mocking him.

Objectively and for everyone?... , see below.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=7348

GTP is a marginal portion of buyers and of opinions, which is highly biased. Look at reviews and what people think of GT5 in other sites that matter considerably more than this one. The praised games are those in the competition and those are the designated console sellers, not the GT series anymore.

Well, did GT5 meet your 6 years of development expectations?
Was it better than other games available in late 2010, as a whole game or in any individual aspect?
At the time of the poll you gave GT5 a 9 to 9.5 grade. Does that mean other games get a 10?

 

[sems4arsenal]

Objectively and for everyone?... , see below.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=7348

Maybe not everyone but GT5 still has the lowest Metacritic score of GT games.

 

[napalmhardcore]

Objectively and for everyone?... , see below.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=7348

Posting a link to a poll on a forum dedicated to Gran Turismo to prove your point displays NO objectivity whatsoever.

 

[wowbaggerBR]

While I think that's not the greatest way to put it, I do agree that thinking the GT recipe is perfect based on sales is quite shortsighted, especially when other racing franchises out sale it.

Some pages back, I pointed out that the sales figures don't mean anything. And now I know that it is hilarious.

So, GT5 sell 10,6 million copies. Few weeks ago, PD released some information regarding the game, saying that in a given day, 100.000 players spend some time in GT5.

If numbers are all that matters to analyse and criticize a game, anyone could say that, in 2013, 10,5 million people can't stand the game anymore. Seems to me that all those casual, real world players, simply don't play the game, either because GT5 fails to deliver what the players expect, either because, beeing a casual player, they've got tired of the countless hours of gameplay that GT5 requires (wich is a good thing). Maybe even they get frustrated with the game in the same level as many of us are. The difference is that they don't love GT as we do.

All of them pre-ordered GT5 and bought PS3s just to play it on. None of them were playing GT5 within a couple of months of release. The life had been sucked out of the game.

So, what is the point of sell a buzilion copies in three years if nobody plays the thing?

And avens, your post deserves a thumbs up.

 

[mr_serious]

So, what is the point of sell a buzilion copies in three years if nobody plays the thing?

Well the point for PD is to sell the game & make money.

However I'm sure my casual friends and myself are not alone in now being very wary of purchasing GT6.

From the videos on the front page, the AI gameplay looks identical to GT5. Rolling starts, same ABS system, same incredibly easy AI. In the first video the guy drops way behind while he is settling himself in & choosing his view etc... then watch the speed he catches them & passes them. He is in first position within half a lap. It looks utterly dreadful and looks nothing like racing frankly.

No sign of qualifying either.

So far I am completely underwhelmed & depressed.

 

[avens]

Maybe not everyone but GT5 still has the lowest Metacritic score of GT games.

And even then scores are influenced based on the franchise's name and that it is an AAA title, inflating them. If it was a third party new IP it would have gotten lower scores, especially in the more mainstream sites that don't dare to bash such games.

 

[HKS racer]

No game can compete with GT

Oh yes a lot of games can. We as players shouldn't give a fluke about sales. Sales are good for Sony PD, their stakeholders and that's pretty much it. Sales doesn't necessarily means great gameplay doesn't necessarily means good/decent AI.

No point adding 3000 premium cars 5000 tracks if the AI is that bad.

The joke starts from 1.30 min


Your hat will fall off they said. My hat after this video just want to become a ninja star and cut the hell out of you, seriously.

 

[wowbaggerBR]

Well the point for PD is to sell the game & make money.

Fair enough, but then again, there are dozens of people in this thread who say that Kazunori and PD makes GT games for... love. For people who loves GT.

 

[mr_serious]

yup 54s from last to first, around a series of 5 moving chicanes. Not very inspiring, I am gutted.

 

[machschnel]

yup 54s from last to first, around a series of 6 moving chicanes. Not very inspiring, I am gutted.

Makes you wonder if there is any point to Polyphony adding qualifying.

 

[mr_serious]

Makes you wonder if there is any point to Polyphony adding qualifying.

I am 100% positive the AI was the reason there is no qualifying or grid starts in GT5. I also think they added the XP system to try to introduce some reason (doesn't work for me) to play the game. They are just trying to appeal to the completionists, trophy hunters and collectors.

No racing anymore. In fact on the GT5 box it says that PD have "redefine[d] the racing genre". I really wish they hadn't!

 

[sems4arsenal]

And even then scores are influenced based on the franchise's name and that it is an AAA title, inflating them. If it was a third party new IP it would have gotten lower scores, especially in the more mainstream sites that don't dare to bash such games.

Agreed 👍 I still think GT5 does not deserve worse than an 8 though.

Oh yes a lot of games can. We as players shouldn't give a fluke about sales. Sales are good for Sony PD, their stakeholders and that's pretty much it. Sales doesn't necessarily means great gameplay doesn't necessarily means good/decent AI.

We shouldn't but meant that no matter how good Forza 5 and Project CARS will be compared to GT6,they won't come close in terms of sales.

 

[mcfizzle]

GTP is a marginal portion of buyers and of opinions, which is highly biased. Look at reviews and what people think of GT5 in other sites that matter considerably more than this one. The praised games are those in the competition and those are the designated console sellers, not the GT series anymore.

Well, did GT5 meet your 6 years of development expectations?
Was it better than other games available in late 2010, as a whole game or in any individual aspect?
At the time of the poll you gave GT5 a 9 to 9.5 grade. Does that mean other games get a 10?

It may have been a disappointment for a lot of people, but that's not what you wrote.

I voted 9-9.5 at the time and I would still probably put it at a 9. The game had areas that could be improved but I've never played a game that couldn't be. To me those are minor things, the core experience was great. GT5 gave me more moments of exhilaration than any other game and there were times like Eau Rouge in 3D for the first time or 24 Hours of Le Mans sunrise when my jaw straight dropped. Moments that will stick with me forever.

 

[Wolfe]

I bailed on Gran Turismo after GT4 bitterly disappointed me, and I think GT5 was a rather poor effort, but I'm pretty certain the chances of GT6 falling short in terms of sales is next to nil. GT is unstoppable, and that contributes to Kaz's signature complacence.

GT6 could be a really, really bad game, but it's guaranteed to be a successful one.

 

[KinLM]

Just watched the new GT6 videos on the news page and I must say, they nailed the sound of the Fisker Karma!

 

[ildd]

I bailed on Gran Turismo after GT4 bitterly disappointed me

ok is hard to post links from your phone but the pic is Spongebob saying "Those words... is it even possible to use them like that? "

 

[machschnel]

Just watched the new GT6 videos on the news page and I must say, they nailed the sound of the Fisker Karma!

And you thought you'd stir the whinging and crying pot because?

 

[napalmhardcore]

The last few pages of this thread are hilarious.

I often highlight that many of GTPlanets' 245,284 registered members - registered through last 10 years - somehow think how their subjective and personal criticism or even more, collective criticism-points (sounds, 2D trees, no Forza-like Livery Editor, no engine swapping, no iracing-type of simulation, etc.) means something to rest of 10+ million buyers of GT series worldwide.

Some here act in an absolutely strange way like there is no real world outside of GTP or some "Mad Sim Bro" communities - and simply can't accept there are millions and millions people out there that love, buy and play Gran Turismo games because what they are and waste no time in arguing about what they are not, or what they should be from subjective and personal perspective of some "honest critic" or whatever.

Reality-check would really come handy sometimes.

We can all be constructive critics or trolls or Forza-shills or MadSimBros or honest admirers of GT series that vocal their opinion just because they want their game to become better - but at the end, every single GT game in history has been a crazy commercial success and despite all criticisms, sometimes undeserved hate and unexplainable harshness of media (especially US), the formula developed by PD has been working without exception.

And GT6 can only improve on that formula.

My personal and subjective opinion agrees partially with those (SlipS?) who predict that GT6 will not surpass GT5 in sales, same as no "second entry" in the generation haven't surpassed initial entry, but all rules get broken sometimes - and GT6 is shaping up to be such exception. 77M consoles outthere, 2 years of consecutive "GT Academy" push through mainstream media, crazy levels of cooperation with automotive industry, strongest ever coverage of game in mainstream media and automotive-media and potentialy review scores better then GT5's. And there is a crisis outthere, many peple do not have money for buyng new fancy consoles.

And also I am absolutely sure GT6 will surpass both GT5 and 10M in its lifetime if Sony somehow allows for PS3-backward compatibility on PS4 at some point with all functionality (online and wheels) during the time we wait for the GT7.

This way or another, GT5 is on the track to surpass 11M in the time GT6 releases (December 2013). Also, it will additionally contribute to amazing 20M+ sales PD managed to achieve since 2008-2013, with the potential to surpass the combined sales of insane "PS2 generation results" where they topped 28M combined - and that was the period when they didn't have even remotely good competition they have today. Think about that for a minute.

Sometimes people love to think they are the only people in the world and that only their opinion is valid. What a strange world we live in.

First off, I am a gamer in general, not just of racing games and I can tell you that it isn't only here and other sim sites where people have complaints about the series. Just to assume that aside from the people in this thread or other sim orientated forums who complain, that every other person who bought the game is perfectly happy with it is completely deluded. I think it is you that would benefit from a reality check.

GT1-GT4 were well recieved. Even GT4 was criticised for it's "been there done that" factor, but on the whole it was well recieved. GT5 on the other hand did not meet the expectations of many fans and critics. So regardless of how well the previous games have sold they don't have that blemish free record to assure sales the way they did when GT5 was about to release. From some of the information I knew before I purchased GT5 I did have my doubts about it but felt I kind of owed it to the series to buy it. With GT6 I will not be pre-ordering, Polyphony have to win back my trust. I am sure I am not the only one who feels this way.

Also you say about how GT6 has all the hallmarks of a game bound for commercial success. I do not agree, because of the aforementioned poor reception of the previous title and also because the new generation consoles are coming out. If you read the comments section of various gaming sites you will frequently see people say they will be selling their current generation consoles to help fund the purchase of the new gen consoles. Also the launch price of the PS4 is going to be much lower than that of the PS3, so people will be more likely to make the switch earlier than they did with the previous gen. How much people switching to next gen consoles will discourage the sales of previous gen games I do not know, but it will have some impact at least (I've even seen people say they will skip GT6 because they believe it should have been on PS4).

This world is full of selfish people who only demand what they wanted, no matter what

That is fair to say of some people, but try reading back through this thread and find such a post for me.

I 100 % agree with amar and Ridox. We should build constructive wishes, possible wishes, and not totally new wishes that PD has never heard about for GT6. I think for GT6, PD is first going to add the wishes that were asked long time ago like a livery editor, who Kaz confirmed for GT6

First things first, the requested wishes first and then the new ones. We are only "whining and crying" because many of these wishes are still pending. If you object to people complaining this is probably not the thread for you.

Well put.👍 I respect the people who have well-worded constructive criticism but downright negativity and spiteful hate just for the sake of it gets on my nerves. Also the minority of people with blind devotion to GT and think it's 100% perfect need to have a reality check as well.

Both the spiteful nay-sayers and obsessive fans need to stop and think about their own arguments. Put some thought into how you put your argument across and maybe someone will listen. Learn to come to a gentleman's agreement on the good and bad points, then maybe we might get along better.

Where are all these hate filled spiteful comments you are talking about?

Well said Amar and Ridox, very well said. :tup: Didn't I read somewhere that Kaz said he was going to make GT, only for those who love Gran Turismo?

I want to meet more new GT fans. 👍

Try pretty much every other thread on the forum. But coming to the "whining and crying" thread to rejoice in the glory of Gran Turismo maybe wasn't the best idea you have ever had.

Amar should be a moderator in GTP. 👍

I disagree

Well said, words spoken by a wise man. I love GT. Will do, always. I've preordered the game, just as any other GT game, and will do so with GT7. The formula still works, at least for me it does. Whine and critique all you want, there is no game like it. At all, and no comparison to the game that must not be named will ever change that for me...

(The following response may contain sarcasm) Wow! What a thought provoking and insightful statement that was. You have made a valuable contribution to this thread and I value your opinion enormously.

Amar, you are the voice of reason once again 👍.

I wish GT Surgeons was in English, can't bear the overly opinionated types and trolls on here .

You probably get them on your site too though .



+1

You mean you don't like opinions that don't agree with yours, gotcha *wink and the gun*

 

[Wolfe]

ok is hard to post links from your phone but the pic is Spongebob saying "Those words... is it even possible to use them like that? "

Beautiful game with lots of cool stuff in it, I know. The driving/racing was utterly un-enjoyable for me, which only made all the cool stuff a tease. The physics engine often makes or breaks a game for me.

 

[KinLM]

And you thought you'd stir the whinging and crying pot because?

Youre far too serious with things that should be taken lightly. It was a simple joke about the sounds being poor and if this bothers you then there's no reason for you to have to respond to me.

 

[machschnel]

Youre far too serious with things that should be taken lightly. It was a simple joke about the sounds being poor and if this bothers you then there's no reason for you to have to respond to me.

Oh, I'm sorry. I had no idea you were being sarcastic. The joys of conversing over the internet..

But yes, the sounds are still poor