The GT6 Epic Whining and Crying Thread

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The last few pages of this thread are hilarious.

I often highlight that many of GTPlanets' 245,284 registered members - registered through last 10 years - somehow think how their subjective and personal criticism or even more, collective criticism-points (sounds, 2D trees, no Forza-like Livery Editor, no engine swapping, no iracing-type of simulation, etc.) means something to rest of 10+ million buyers of GT series worldwide.

Some here act in an absolutely strange way like there is no real world outside of GTP or some "Mad Sim Bro" communities - and simply can't accept there are millions and millions people out there that love, buy and play Gran Turismo games because what they are and waste no time in arguing about what they are not, or what they should be from subjective and personal perspective of some "honest critic" or whatever.

Reality-check would really come handy sometimes.

We can all be constructive critics or trolls or Forza-shills or MadSimBros or honest admirers of GT series that vocal their opinion just because they want their game to become better - but at the end, every single GT game in history has been a crazy commercial success and despite all criticisms, sometimes undeserved hate and unexplainable harshness of media (especially US), the formula developed by PD has been working without exception.

And GT6 can only improve on that formula.

My personal and subjective opinion agrees partially with those (SlipS?) who predict that GT6 will not surpass GT5 in sales, same as no "second entry" in the generation haven't surpassed initial entry, but all rules get broken sometimes - and GT6 is shaping up to be such exception. 77M consoles outthere, 2 years of consecutive "GT Academy" push through mainstream media, crazy levels of cooperation with automotive industry, strongest ever coverage of game in mainstream media and automotive-media and potentialy review scores better then GT5's. And there is a crisis outthere, many peple do not have money for buyng new fancy consoles.

And also I am absolutely sure GT6 will surpass both GT5 and 10M in its lifetime if Sony somehow allows for PS3-backward compatibility on PS4 at some point with all functionality (online and wheels) during the time we wait for the GT7.

This way or another, GT5 is on the track to surpass 11M in the time GT6 releases (December 2013). Also, it will additionally contribute to amazing 20M+ sales PD managed to achieve since 2008-2013, with the potential to surpass the combined sales of insane "PS2 generation results" where they topped 28M combined - and that was the period when they didn't have even remotely good competition they have today. Think about that for a minute.

Sometimes people love to think they are the only people in the world and that only their opinion is valid. What a strange world we live in.
 
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I 100 % agree with amar and Ridox. We should build constructive wishes, possible wishes, and not totally new wishes that PD has never heard about for GT6. I think for GT6, PD is first going to add the wishes that were asked long time ago like a livery editor, who Kaz confirmed for GT6
 

Well put.👍 I respect the people who have well-worded constructive criticism but downright negativity and spiteful hate just for the sake of it gets on my nerves. Also the minority of people with blind devotion to GT and think it's 100% perfect need to have a reality check as well.

Both the spiteful nay-sayers and obsessive fans need to stop and think about their own arguments. Put some thought into how you put your argument across and maybe someone will listen. Learn to come to a gentleman's agreement on the good and bad points, then maybe we might get along better.
 
Well said Amar and Ridox, very well said. :D:tup: Didn't I read somewhere that Kaz said he was going to make GT, only for those who love Gran Turismo?

I want to meet more new GT fans. 👍
 
''The last few pages...world we live in.''

Well said, words spoken by a wise man. I love GT. Will do, always. I've preordered the game, just as any other GT game, and will do so with GT7. The formula still works, at least for me it does. Whine and critique all you want, there is no game like it. At all, and no comparison to the game that must not be named will ever change that for me...
 
I guess there's no point in this thread now...

You seem to have missed the obvious.

To use the epic whining and crying thread to whine and cry about those that whine and cry actually makes the thread MORE relevant. :bowdown:

^

My comment however, which is neither whining nor crying, and certainly not epic, has no place in this thread.
 
Well, I guess I won't be using the forum to share how I feel, what I'd like to see, and what I enjoy about GT anymore. On a forum that is here to do such a thing? :/

excusez-moi ?!
 
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And let the drama begin... :lol:
 
OK the flame bait can stop now.

Next person to ignore that gets a two day holiday.

Like it or not GT Planet is a place to discuss both sides of the series.
 
My comment was aimed strictly at discussion regarding sales and comments about "GT has to wake up" and such, and I am sorry if it was understood different or used to prove some other points.
 
I have to go out now but when I return I will be addressing amar212's post and those of the supporting posts, unless someone beats me to it (would have responded earlier, but a man needs to sleep. In particular this man)
 
My comment was aimed strictly at discussion regarding sales and comments about "GT has to wake up" and such, and I am sorry if it was understood different or used to prove some other points.

Understandable then. 👍
 
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wow time flies when you already bought everything
well, it's still the best-selling PS3 game of all time(10.6 million)...until GTA5 comes out...

And GT5:P(5.3 million) is the 2nd best-selling. That says a lot about this franchise... I don't think GT6 will hit 10 million(i'm thinking 7.5 MAX when its all said and done with due to PS4)
GT5 is actually the top selling PS3 exclusive but the 4th best selling PS3 game behind Call of Duty's. GT5P is further down the list and not second best selling exclusive.


http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=&platform=PS3&genre=&minSales=0&results=200
 
GT5 is actually the top selling PS3 exclusive but the 4th best selling PS3 game behind Call of Duty's. GT5P is further down the list and not second best selling exclusive.


http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=&platform=PS3&genre=&minSales=0&results=200
"Sales figures on VGChartz are based on estimates extrapolated from small retail samples. While offering some information about their methodology through their website, VGChartz does not publish any sources on how they get their data. Some sites, including Gamasutra and Wired News, have questioned the reliability of the information presented by the site."

Vgchartz never have been a reliable source. GT numbers are not updated and region sales are a mess compared with the official data:

http://www.polyphony.co.jp/english/list.html

I don't know why people keep using them for reference.
 
I like how everyone is still complaining about getting 20 cars free for preordering.

JUST DON'T ENTER THE CODE. It's not that hard.
 
I like how everyone is still complaining about getting 20 cars free for preordering.

JUST DON'T ENTER THE CODE. It's not that hard.

That's what i'm going to do, and I approve it's not hard lol
 
"Sales figures on VGChartz are based on estimates extrapolated from small retail samples. While offering some information about their methodology through their website, VGChartz does not publish any sources on how they get their data. Some sites, including Gamasutra and Wired News, have questioned the reliability of the information presented by the site."

Vgchartz never have been a reliable source. GT numbers are not updated and region sales are a mess compared with the official data:

http://www.polyphony.co.jp/english/list.html

I don't know why people keep using them for reference.

Because it's the best we have for all games unfortunately. Doesn't change the fact that GT5 is not the best selling PS3 game of all time. That's all I was pointing out.
 
Hilarious as the AI from the videos in homepage news.
https://www.gtplanet.net/gt6-gameplay-videos-gamescom2013/

While I think that's not the greatest way to put it, I do agree that thinking the GT recipe is perfect based on sales is quite shortsighted, especially when other racing franchises out sale it.

Amar, criticism started with GT5:P and followed into GT5, when the games started to be not as great as they used to. All the rest are praised to this day. Now, people call PD to "wake up" (again a term I don't agree with) because GT5 is way behind the times in some aspects, while between GT4 and GT5 some franchises started from scratch and surpassed it quality-wise and are quite important names now, if not bigger than GT. That was unthinkable in 2005, when PD "fell asleep".

The reason why the community is asking to add and focus in other aspects that aren't GT's strengths is precisely because those aren't and is high time to fix them. The recipe for a good car game is longer and more complex than it used to be.
What I'm saying is we all like the attention to detail and car loving culture that GT is about, the GT recipe, but in 2013 it's practically unacceptable how bad the AI, damage model and lack of options and customizations are, which aren't a part of the ingredients (or focus).

And I agree with Scarf on that amar's post was clearly a flame bait. Sorry but he isn't always right and everyone is entitled an opinion in this forum. Both the rights and the wrongs can be discussed.
 
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I've got a theory that Drive club is not just a game, it's an ultimatum for the GT by Sony.

If GT does not develop quickly, then Sony will turn Drive club of arcades, a direct competitor to GT and FM, with all the attributes of the console auto simulator. And to the right, bulk of funding from the GT to Drive club.
The creators Drive club in an interview talked a lot about the GT, that is not going to compete. But the fact that they mention GT already alarming

No game can compete with GT,also how can Sony not be happy with the Goldmine that is the GTseries :lol:

competition for Forza and GT? It's coming in the Form of Project CARS which will also not sell even close to GT numbers but might just cause another shift of Power over the Console Racing Genre
 
^TBH when I tried Drive Club it felt more like Forza Horizon competition than Forza5's or GT6's.

At least the current build is quite arcadey and that it runs at 30fps shows the focus is eye candy over playability. I do get the latter is an aspect that its importance is exaggerated on the interwebz, but in person Drive Club does look choppy, something that isn't as clear when watching gameplay in youtube.

And of course all the mentioned games won't be direct competition until they are all on the same console.
 
^TBH when I tried drive club it felt more like Forza Horizon competition than Forza5's or GT6's.

Yes you are right,Forza is probably the main attraction for the X1 alongside TitanFall so Sony need to have any sort of game to try and get sales from the Racing and car fans.But certainly it's a direct competitor for Forza 5 which probably will be the future Racing game of the year.
 
Come to think of it, my last post was a comparison more with the GT6 demo (PS3) than with Forza5's (PS4). I haven't tried the latter but it's true market-wise that game is Drive Club's competition, the console seller for racing fans. I was thinking about the subgenres, which doesn't apply really so you are right.

The only thing I could say about that game is based on youtube videos and commentary from people that have played the actual game. With that said, it seems like the newest Forza is proper next gen, will raise the bar once again and will probably be 2013's racing game of the year, because right now is superior than Drive Club, the game itself improved considerably and the contenders for that title are fighting with a handicap.
 
There is still one game for me that captured everything in a right way and that was TOCA2 for PSX. It only had 10 tracks or so from the official BTCC but it just pushed all the right buttons. The only game i played more than GT.

What i want to say is that with very limited content a game can live a very long time if it has a good set of features.

I look forward to GT6 and all looks promising but i am just very careful this time. All those years i bought GT blindly but not this time around.

I see the vids of GT6 and i think wow, looks great. Handling looks very nice too ( from gta) but it seems there is no innovation in gameplay.

If there would be a remake of Toca2 with Btcc license i would switch over without a thought but we probably will never see those beauties again in a virtual console racer......
 
Come to think of it, my last post was a comparison more than with the GT6 demo (PS3) than with Forza5's (PS4). I haven't tried the latter but it's true market-wise that game is Drive Club's competition, the console seller for racing fans. I was thinking about the subgenres, which doesn't apply really so you are right.

The only thing I could say about that game is based on youtube videos and the newest Forza is proper next gen. It will probably be 2013's racing game of the year and seems like the bar will raise once again.

Which is expected,I am not expecting GT6 to redefine the racing genre,just want it to raise PD's and Fan's bar.

We need a GT game for this generation that we will talk about for years,so far we haven't got,I have faith PD will come good with GT6 so heres hoping
 
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