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GTPlanet Exit Poll - Which Presidential Ticket Did You Vote For?

  • Trump/Pence

    Votes: 16 27.1%
  • Biden/Harris

    Votes: 20 33.9%
  • Jorgensen/Cohen

    Votes: 7 11.9%
  • Hawkins/Walker

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • La Riva/Freeman

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • De La Fuente/Richardson

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Blankenship/Mohr

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Carroll/Patel

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Simmons/Roze

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Charles/Wallace

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 15 25.4%

  • Total voters
    59
  • Poll closed .
Trump really doesn't understand the First Amendment, does he? Although that's pretty par for the course with all these Trumpilcans. They only want free speech if it's something they agree with and somehow think a private company censoring them is in violation of the Constitution.

Trump should just go to Florida for the next eight weeks and just golf. I wouldn't even complain about my tax dollars being spent on it either since it would be for the good of the country.
 
par for the course with all these Trumpilcans.
By conflating Trump supporters with Republicans, does that imply you are breaking against president-elect Biden's many earnest pleas for reconciliation and unification of the country? If so, I wouldn't blame you. If you have real, true unreconcilable enemies, you should probably stomp them hard when they are down, and at least ensure they can never win another election.
 
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By conflating Trump supporters with Republicans, does that imply you are breaking against president-elect Biden's many earnest pleas for reconciliation and unification of the country? If so, I wouldn't blame you. If you have real, true unreconcilable enemies, you should probably stomp them hard when they are down, and least ensure they can never win another election.

We can reunify the country but I'm not going to tolerate people who go against the founding document of the country...especially the Bill of Rights. I don't care what party they identify with.

Honestly, I just want the government to get back to being useless instead of actually harmful.
 
We can reunify the country but I'm not going to tolerate people who go against the founding document of the country...especially the Bill of Rights. I don't care what party they identify with.

Honestly, I just want the government to get back to being useless instead of actually harmful.
To be fair, they are useless AND harmful now.... not just harmful.
 
To be fair, they are useless AND harmful now.... not just harmful.
So every effort to belittle and destroy them is probably justified - even if it is against the express wishes of the next president?
 
So every effort to belittle and destroy them is probably justified - even if it is against the express wishes of the next president?
Never said it was as I wasn't the one who made the statement.
 
If you wish to reconcile and reunite, it is probably a better plan to act more as a statesman than as a firebrand.
 
If you wish to reconcile and reunite, it is probably a better plan to act more as a statesman than as a firebrand.

The first part of that process requires recognition of the group(s) who you wish to internally/externally reconcile and/or re-unite. Trump appeals to a particular base and he knows it very well. Does he have any interest in included 'enemy' groups in that?
 
We can reunify the country but I'm not going to tolerate people who go against the founding document of the country...especially the Bill of Rights. I don't care what party they identify with.

Honestly, I just want the government to get back to being useless instead of actually harmful.
Yep, it’s the Paradox of Tolerance time

"In order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance." Popper expands upon this, writing, "I do not imply for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force..."
 
If you wish to reconcile and reunite, it is probably a better plan to act more as a statesman than as a firebrand.

But you're attempting to reconcile with someone who's brand is fire. I'm sure if Trump were to have a change of heart and extend the olive branch of peace and reconciliation, it would most likely be returned in kind. But it doesn't seem at the moment to be worth extending the olive branch of peace and reconciliation to him (them) if he's just going to set fire to it. Hopefully that will change soon but I don't think we're there yet.
 
Trump himself will never give in or give up. But I'm operating on the hopeful assumption Trump is a soon-to-be dead player; gone from the throne of power, if not the scene altogether. There is no reconciling with him personally. It's the nation itself that I'm worried about.
 
Trump himself will never give in or give up. But I'm operating on the hopeful assumption Trump is a soon-to-be dead player; gone from the throne of power, if not the scene altogether. There is no reconciling with him personally. It's the nation itself that I'm worried about.
And convincing them might be just as easy as convincing Trump.
 
If you wish to reconcile and reunite, it is probably a better plan to act more as a statesman than as a firebrand.

It's a bit late to talk about statesmanship. You have spent the last 4 years promoting the idea of Trump as the President of "peace & prosperity", while in reality, he has deliberately pursued of a policy of hate, confusion & division. The end result is a country more divided than at any time since the 1960's & an economy in shambles due to Trump's idiotic approach to the Covid pandemic.
 
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Trump himself will never give in or give up. But I'm operating on the hopeful assumption Trump is a soon-to-be dead player; gone from the throne of power, if not the scene altogether. There is no reconciling with him personally. It's the nation itself that I'm worried about.

I hope you're right but I'm not so optimistic. He might be gone from the throne of power but dead player, gone from the scene altogether? Not a chance.

I've said it from the beginning that if he lost in 2020 he's certain to run again in 2024. All of this talk that Don Jr. would be a presidential candidate is just ridiculous because as long as daddy is breathing, daddy will be calling the shots. All of the Republican candidates in every congressional or judicial race that is up for the 2022 midterms will be falling all over themselves to get his endorsement. They're going to have to kiss the ring and swear allegiance to get his blessing.

As long Trump is alive, everything to do with the Republican party, he will control the message. He will be like Palpatine. We will be dealing with his cold icy lightning bolt laden hands for years to come.
 
Well then, what chance does Biden have with his reconciliation and unity pleas? Small to none? Might as well you forget him and just go with venom and hate.
 
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Trump had an effective plan to campaign on peace and prosperity through nationalism, populism and trade war with China. In order for Republicans to dance with him in the coming years, he will have to skillfully play those cards, uniting with Bernie populists in the same manner. He has an insanely difficult task. It won't be made easier by foreigners - or anyone - calling for fire and blood.
 
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No reconciliation without reciprocation. It's a two-way street and if the traffic only goes in one direction then Democrats can only turn the other cheek for so long.

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Trump himself will never give in or give up. But I'm operating on the hopeful assumption Trump is a soon-to-be dead player; gone from the throne of power, if not the scene altogether. There is no reconciling with him personally. It's the nation itself that I'm worried about.
I think that's the issue. Until Trump is gone completely, the nation itself can't reconcile and unite b/c any attempt to do so by the right, Trump will just attack them & try to tell the Republican base they're "an enemy of the people".

He's going to get someone killed using that language as well.
 
I think that's the issue. Until Trump is gone completely, the nation itself can't reconcile and unite b/c any attempt to do so by the right, Trump will just attack them & try to tell the Republican base they're "an enemy of the people".

He's going to get someone killed using that language as well.

I'd say an argument can be made that he already has (at least by proxy if nothing else) with the Kyle Rittenhouse incident.
 
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With Biden's lead in Wisconsin increasing by 132 votes due to a recount in Milwaukee County at the behest of the Trump campaign, it averages out at a cost of $22,700 dollars per vote.

The joys of barratry.

Barratry is the offense committed by people who are "overly officious in instigating or encouraging prosecution of groundless litigation"
 
By conflating Trump supporters with Republicans, does that imply you are breaking against president-elect Biden's many earnest pleas for reconciliation and unification of the country?

Or perhaps defining Trump supporting Republicans as separate and distinct from Republicans in general, it gives a path in which a reconciliation can be achieved with that part of the party which actually has the best interests of the country at heart and genuinely believes in it's founding principles. And hopefully that part of the party that is just in it to get as much as they can for them and theirs and bring back the good old days where anyone who wasn't wealthy with a white penis didn't get a say in anything is small enough that it can sod off and die in a corner somewhere.

There's always going to be extremists, and if reconciliation has to include them to then it's always going to fail. The goal of reconciliation shouldn't be total unity, it should be getting enough people together that they can rationally discuss matters and accept majority decisions even if they're not in accordance with their personal beliefs.

Yep, it’s the Paradox of Tolerance time

"In order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance." Popper expands upon this, writing, "I do not imply for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force..."

I'm not sure how much of a paradox it really is, as it requires viewing speech and behaviour as absolute equals. I feel like there's a decent argument that they're not the same, and for pretty good reasons.

One can be incredibly permissive in the expression of speech and ideas, which many would consider to be "tolerant". That does not mean that one can't also have some pretty hard lines about acceptable behaviour and enforce those rigorously. Some might consider that "intolerant", but I'd say that's more like the basic thing that separates any society from anarchy. Describing someone as being "intolerant" of assault and murder is really stretching how the English language works, eliminating those things is an easy and obvious way in which the society improves for the vast majority of people.

Unfortunately, this tends to turn into one of those definition things where the person talking about "intolerance" really means "I don't get to do what I want to" without actually much introspection about the greater ramifications. Trump is a perfect example, it's intolerance when he doesn't get his way but good strong societal structure when it's working in his favour.
 

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