The GTP Unofficial 2020 US Elections Thread

[Joey D]

You know, he could've just voted to allow an independent commission to look at the events of January 6th. Seems like he's actually the one breaking the institution, not Pelosi. And don't get me wrong, Pelosi is a joke but she's not wrong here.

 

[TexRex]

With Republicans now threatening to run their own January 6th investigation (the "no u" play), what's the money on Rudy Giuliani being officially tapped for involvement?

 

[jjaisli]

It would have to be in a state where he can still legally practice law. The field is thinning.

 

[McLaren]

With Republicans now threatening to run their own January 6th investigation (the "no u" play), what's the money on Rudy Giuliani being officially tapped for involvement?

The Republicans find Jan 6th was the CIA paying Antifa militia men to go in disguised as tourists who provoked and started the riot into the building, removing their disguises to reveal Trump merchandise so they could blend in.

Probably. I don't know what the story is anymore.

 

[TexRex]

Back the blue.

 

[TexRex]

They're not--

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They're not intelligent people.

 

[Blitz24]

They're not--

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They're not intelligent people.

He has theories as to why he was arrested or why he was there? I'm sure both will be very thought-provoking.

 

[UKMikey]

They're not--

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They're not intelligent people.

You could see him itching to say "Yeah but Trump's the president" and realising halfway through that he wasn't but deciding to go ahead with that line of thinking anyway. Court day is gonna be carnage.

 

[TexRex]

He has theories as to why he was arrested or why he was there? I'm sure both will be very thought-provoking.

There's this conspiracy theory (there's always a conspiracy theory because that's all they have) that the FBI lured them (patriots) there and incited them (Antifa) to break into the Capitol (but that's not a crime because it's owned by the People and if you lock yourself out of your house and need to break in because you left a burner on the stove on and your baby is on the counter crawling right to it you shouldn't be charged for a crime because that's totally reasonable and actually responsible) and smear **** on the walls.

 

[Tornado]

"All along the real insurrectionist was actually Nancy Pelosi"

- A definitely not-dumb broad the GOP put in charge of some GOP committee, today.

 

[Blitz24]

"All along the real insurrectionist was actually Nancy Pelosi"

- A definitely not-dumb broad the GOP put in charge of some GOP committee, today.

All of those Trump supporters were actually Antifa and we were actually rooting for Antifa!

 

[Darla Starch]

All of those Trump supporters were actually Antifa and we were actually rooting for Antifa!

 

[TexRex]

"All along the real insurrectionist was actually Nancy Pelosi"

- A definitely not-dumb broad the GOP put in charge of some GOP committee, today.

Much like Senator McCarthy referring to Cheney and Kinzinger as "Pelosi Republicans," the tribalism is cloying at times.

 

[Keef]

"All along the real insurrectionist was actually Nancy Pelosi"

- A definitely not-dumb broad the GOP put in charge of some GOP committee, today.

I don’t mean to be rude but I don’t care.

We have to stop giving a voice to these people. They’re out of their minds. They don’t live in reality.

What we need to do is recite real history, post videos of real history, talk about what has actually happened, what is happening, and plan for what will happen.

Which is why I’m watching the hearing right now and will share some things right after I get back from Wendy’s. Wendy’s is real and it’s what’s happening right at this moment. Republicans refuse to acknowledge the Wendy’s drive-through but ultimately it’s their loss. The world will move on whether they’re left behind or not.

 

[Joey D]

I watched a few highlights from the hearings and it went about how I expected. Even before they started speaking, I pretty much knew Officer Harry Dunn would talk about being called a hard-r n-word and that Sgt. Aquilino Gonell would talk about how people told him to "go back where he came from".

I really want someone to ask the question "why was deadly force not used?" During the testimony, the officers talked about how people were trying to take their guns, batons, and shields. If I walked up to an officer and tried to take their gun, I would more than likely be dead.

I mean during the BLM riots, the police had zero qualms about shooting people

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

The emerging narrative I see the conservatives telling themselves (over on Fox News comment section anyhow) is that the capitol insurrection was nothing more than a failure of security and the blame should land at the desk of Nancy Pelosi. This is a breathtaking level of victim blaming - they are effectively framing it as if a pack of blameless wild animals or Benghazian insurgents sieged the Capitol....truly stunning.

 

[Keef]

Damn that Wendy's was good but honestly I can't even finish watching this hearing. I'm 2.5 hours in but I gotta pause it periodically to just pace around and soak it up. I never joined the military so I don't know real sacrifice is, I've never even been on a real sports team so this "brotherhood" concept is a bit foreign to me. I know what stress and fear and loss and hopelessness feels like though so I just can't imagine what these people dealt with, especially after the attack when they had time to soak up what happened. How the hell are these men not completely broken. Like Aquilino said, his time in a warzone was more focused, prepared, and made more sense to him than this attack did. Can you imagine if one day you just woke up and all your family and friends hated you? What the hell are you supposed to do about that?

Fanone mentioned that he considered using his gun after he'd been dragged into the mob but thought better of it. That reminded me of watching all of this live, in disbelief, wondering where the hell the military was, why the hell these terrorists were winning, this is obviously an attack so why weren't any shots being fired? DC is the most heavily defended city in the country so who the hell is in charge here? Their mental restraint and training for such situations obviously worked out for the better. My expertise is not in violent crowd control tactics, that's for sure.

@Joey D Just saw your question. You mention that if you tried to take a cop's gun it wouldn't pan out well. But this mob wasn't just a you, it was thousands of people. Fanone did testify that he considered using his gun but decided not to - he was one guy with one gun, maybe 15 bullets at the most, surrounded by hundreds of people in the immediately vicinity, and in all likelihood if he'd have fired it would've simply pissed off more people and he would've been trampled to death. In that situation, one well-placed stomp had a better chance of killing him than any of his bullets dispersing all those people. As for broad use of deadly force, that is a damn good question. As far as I know there are snipers and secret service agents embedded all over that damn city. Maybe that's a myth. Maybe they were moved. Maybe they just have unimaginable restraint. In hindsight, that type of force being used would've left an uglier stain than we already have but it also raises the question that if this didn't warrant deadly force then what does? I mean, besides angry blacks of course.

 

[UKMikey]

I don't really know much of the context behind this as I'm not following along with the hearing but from what I understand the insurgents weren't like a regular army in that I don't believe they were trained or willing to give up their lives to let their fellow "soldiers" advance. Look how much noise they made about that Babbitt lady getting shot.

It's possible that at least some of them would've been dispersed by a warning shot in the air, but I don't know how far gone they were by that point.

EDIT: For people who wonder why this thread is still open...

 

[Joey D]

@Joey D Just saw your question. You mention that if you tried to take a cop's gun it wouldn't pan out well. But this mob wasn't just a you, it was thousands of people. Fanone did testify that he considered using his gun but decided not to - he was one guy with one gun, maybe 15 bullets at the most, surrounded by hundreds of people in the immediately vicinity, and in all likelihood if he'd have fired it would've simply pissed off more people and he would've been trampled to death. In that situation, one well-placed stomp had a better chance of killing him than any of his bullets dispersing all those people. As for broad use of deadly force, that is a damn good question. As far as I know there are snipers and secret service agents embedded all over that damn city. Maybe that's a myth. Maybe they were moved. Maybe they just have unimaginable restraint. In hindsight, that type of force being used would've left an uglier stain than we already have but it also raises the question that if this didn't warrant deadly force then what does? I mean, besides angry blacks of course.

That's a good point, it probably would've turned ugly if they'd opened fire just using their sidearm. I have to imagine there's an armory somewhere within the Capitol though with "come get some" firepower in it. Hell, our local police department all have AR-15's and shotguns in their patrol cars, so I have to imagine the Capitol of the nation has something a bit heavier than that. Also, Secret Service was definitely there since they not only protect the vice president, but also those immediately in line for the presidency. You just know the Secret Service has some James Bond stuff they can deploy at a moment's notice.

Insurrection aside, I feel like the biggest question that needs to be addressed is the complete lack of security when nearly 2/3rds of our government was in one building. Any foreign power that wanted to put the hurt on the US definitely got a glimpse of just how easy it could be. If any of those insurrectionists had been armed with firearms (and maybe they were), it would've been a blood bath. Now just imagine if China or Russia had been behind it and had a bunch of trained, armed goons ready to attack the Capitol. That wouldn't have ended well.

I believe deadly force was absolutely needed here and when the National Guard rolled up it should've been all bets were off. Once the insurrectionist breached the Capitol with the intent of killing members of Congress and the Vice President, it's no longer just a riot, it's an act of terrorism and maybe even an act of war. I really hope the US never experiences an organized coup that's lead by some other than the Gravey SEALS: Meal Team Six, the Green Buffets, and the Delta-Variant Forced because we're going to be screwed.

 

[Danoff]

That's a good point, it probably would've turned ugly if they'd opened fire just using their sidearm. I have to imagine there's an armory somewhere within the Capitol though with "come get some" firepower in it. Hell, our local police department all have AR-15's and shotguns in their patrol cars, so I have to imagine the Capitol of the nation has something a bit heavier than that. Also, Secret Service was definitely there since they not only protect the vice president, but also those immediately in line for the presidency. You just know the Secret Service has some James Bond stuff they can deploy at a moment's notice.

Insurrection aside, I feel like the biggest question that needs to be addressed is the complete lack of security when nearly 2/3rds of our government was in one building. Any foreign power that wanted to put the hurt on the US definitely got a glimpse of just how easy it could be. If any of those insurrectionists had been armed with firearms (and maybe they were), it would've been a blood bath. Now just imagine if China or Russia had been behind it and had a bunch of trained, armed goons ready to attack the Capitol. That wouldn't have ended well.

I believe deadly force was absolutely needed here and when the National Guard rolled up it should've been all bets were off. Once the insurrectionist breached the Capitol with the intent of killing members of Congress and the Vice President, it's no longer just a riot, it's an act of terrorism and maybe even an act of war. I really hope the US never experiences an organized coup that's lead by some other than the Gravey SEALS: Meal Team Six, the Green Buffets, and the Delta-Variant Forced because we're going to be screwed.

If the president had been interested in defending the capitol, it might have happened.

 

[Keef]

That's a good point, it probably would've turned ugly if they'd opened fire just using their sidearm. I have to imagine there's an armory somewhere within the Capitol though with "come get some" firepower in it. Hell, our local police department all have AR-15's and shotguns in their patrol cars, so I have to imagine the Capitol of the nation has something a bit heavier than that. Also, Secret Service was definitely there since they not only protect the vice president, but also those immediately in line for the presidency. You just know the Secret Service has some James Bond stuff they can deploy at a moment's notice.

I could've sworn that Dunn mentioned that before and at the beginning of the attack he was stationed somewhere around the inauguration platform with an M-4. Why that wasn't used or what happened to it is unclear but it does seem like the battle quickly devolved from monitoring an angry crowd where the "threat of force" is good enough, to a style of battle where a rifle wouldn't have been effective anyway. I'm trying to put myself in the cop's shoes here - the only people you can truly prove are trying to cause harm are the attackers at the very front of the pack, but bullets, especially rifle bullets, aren't particularly good at not going past the front of the pack lol. The potential for collateral damage would've been very high. As for the James Bond stuff...do they? That's the myth I've been told my entire life. I've been told buildings are mounted with AA missiles and the whole nine yards. But not a single sniper sniped. Who are they looking for if they weren't looking for these people?

Insurrection aside, I feel like the biggest question that needs to be addressed is the complete lack of security when nearly 2/3rds of our government was in one building. Any foreign power that wanted to put the hurt on the US definitely got a glimpse of just how easy it could be. If any of those insurrectionists had been armed with firearms (and maybe they were), it would've been a blood bath. Now just imagine if China or Russia had been behind it and had a bunch of trained, armed goons ready to attack the Capitol. That wouldn't have ended well.

I believe deadly force was absolutely needed here and when the National Guard rolled up it should've been all bets were off. Once the insurrectionist breached the Capitol with the intent of killing members of Congress and the Vice President, it's no longer just a riot, it's an act of terrorism and maybe even an act of war. I really hope the US never experiences an organized coup that's lead by some other than the Gravey SEALS: Meal Team Six, the Green Buffets, and the Delta-Variant Forced because we're going to be screwed.

Part of me agrees that a line should be drawn at the door. Part of me is glad that didn't happen. I guess we're never truly going to know because this all happened in the context of a president that wanted it to happen. We've never seen Trump give commands to defend anything from anyone. I hope we don't have to witness Biden give those commands. I'm not sure if it's Milley or whoever is in charge of the National Guard in a situation like that but the man and his troops are trained killers and it would be the ultimate torture for them to have to follow those orders against their own people. I'm confident they would follow the order but I also know it would ruin their lives afterward.

Even when I watched 9/11 in school I was a bit too young to process it emotionally. I knew what was happening this time. It's easy to get fired up for the home team but I really hope my battles stay on the football field.

 

[TexRex]

I really want someone to ask the question "why was deadly force not used?"

Can you imagine the bloodbath we'd be dealing with if it had been? Contrary to the way it may seem at times, the heads of these aggressively stupid people aren't filled with marshmallow fluff and the cognitive struggle between "it was Antifa" and "police were shooting at Trump supporters" would surely result in heretofore unfathomable cranial carnage.

 

[UKMikey]

1* review... 🎻 🎶



[EDIT] Wait... If he didn’t know what it was like inside before, where did the spider-web tattoos come from?

 

[DK]

Let me get my violin.

 

[UKMikey]

Let me get my violin.

There's a tiny one in my post you can use.

 

[TexRex]

There's a tiny one in my post you can use.

It's so small that I scrolled right past it.

Anyway, I'm starting a collection to get that guy some soap-on-a-rope.

 

[Blitz24]

It's so small that I scrolled right past it.

Anyway, I'm starting a collection to get that guy some soap-on-a-rope.

Pretty sure he's not in a prison with "a hole". Unless he's at Supermax or he accidentally got transferred to 1930's Alcatraz.

 

[Danoff]

1* review... 🎻 🎶



[EDIT] Wait... If he didn’t know what it was like inside before, where did the spider-web tattoos come from?

 

[Keef]

1* review... 🎻 🎶



[EDIT] Wait... If he didn’t know what it was like inside before, where did the spider-web tattoos come from?

Some people go to prison because they're evil and don't belong in society. Some people go to prison because they made a mistake but can change their ways. The trial and hearings afterward determine which path they've chosen. Maybe he's realized just how far he paddled himself up **** Creek and is realizing where he could've ended up...but then again it also sounds like he's only realized he is a wonderful person when compared to truly terrible criminals.

I don't trust him. It's not like this guy emotionally snapped and hurt somebody in a rage and regrets it afterward. This guy and many like him had hours and hours to consider what they were about to do, and they never even stopped to question it. Everything they did was premeditated which is by definition not a mistake or an accident.

 

[UKMikey]

At any rate there's no way the Trumpies were rioting in DC because they were too busy walking around praying, says Michele Bachman.