The GTP Unofficial 2020 US Elections Thread

GTPlanet Exit Poll - Which Presidential Ticket Did You Vote For?

  • Trump/Pence

    Votes: 16 27.1%
  • Biden/Harris

    Votes: 20 33.9%
  • Jorgensen/Cohen

    Votes: 7 11.9%
  • Hawkins/Walker

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • La Riva/Freeman

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • De La Fuente/Richardson

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Blankenship/Mohr

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Carroll/Patel

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Simmons/Roze

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Charles/Wallace

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 15 25.4%

  • Total voters
    59
  • Poll closed .
You left the part out where he banned Epstein from his club for being a pervert.

I assume you're talking about Bradley Edwards' book Relentless Pursuit: My Fight for the Victims of Jeffrey Epstein? That story is not confirmed nor denied by Edwards so it seems like it could be plausible, or it could be made up.

They did have a falling out over real estate though.

I still don't believe Trump didn't know about Epstein though, he even praised his taste in women in 2002:
Epstein likes to tell people that he’s a loner, a man who’s never touched alcohol or drugs, and one whose nightlife is far from energetic. And yet if you talk to Donald Trump, a different Epstein emerges. “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump booms from a speakerphone. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

And no, I don't think Trump is the only political figure attached to Epstein and probably not even the only president. I fully believe Clinton was involved with him as well as many Congressman.
 
You left the part out where he said "they let you do it". Consent matters.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...eepiness-while-he-owned-miss-universe-191860/

On the heels of the damaging videotape on which Trump and former Access Hollywood host Billy Bush salivated over Days of Our Live actress Arianne Zucker, and joked about sexually assaulting women, came allegations that Trump entered the Miss Teen USA changing room where girls as young as 15 were in various states of undress.
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His position as the pageant’s owner entitled him to that kind of access, Trump explained, seemingly aware that what he was doing made the women uncomfortable. “You know, no men are anywhere. And I’m allowed to go in because I’m the owner of the pageant. And therefore I’m inspecting it… Is everyone OK? You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. And you see these incredible-looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that,” he said.

(Billado told BuzzFeed she mentioned the incident to Trump’s daughter, Ivanka, who shrugged it off, saying, “Yeah, he does that.”)

You're right. Consent matters, and that's why there are laws about the inability of children to meaningfully consent. I would imagine it's even more difficult to meaningfully consent when you're taking part in a pageant, and the boss walks in wanting to get a look at your underage tits.

But don't worry, I'm sure that was a joke too. Ha ha, I'm the old guy who owns this show, isn't it funny how I can just walk in while you have no clothes on and that's somehow OK? I'm not saying necessarily that Trump is more of a creep than Biden is, but he sure gives him a good run for his money.
 
Anybody ever think about the fact that all this far-right fascist/confederate/neo-nazi nonsense was just a really fringe annoyance back during GWB, Clinton, etc? I don't even recall it being a *real* issue through Obama's years. And suddenly it's not only the headline of ever news story, but actual real people we know and are friends with are drawing lines in the sand and it's like, what the hell dude, since when politics become the defining aspect of your social life? Since when did our friends become full-blown assholes, and all people of any thought are thinking the same thing.

Is it just politics and media coverage? Is it the expansion of social media? Was it a ticking timebomb that was bound to happen? Did one president light this fire? Is it people succumbing to propaganda and brainwashing but refusing to believe that's the case? Is everything and everybody *actually* insane these days or is whatever system which is allowing this to happen simply making us all take sides against each other? I know that my beliefs have evolved over the past few years and I've also drawn a couple lines in the sand but I mean damn, these lines are like the resurrection of the Mason-Dixon. And here in southwest Ohio we're kind of on the front lines, literally. People are so vehemently for or against our current president it's ridiculous. Is it ridiculous? Hell, our biggest complaint about GWB was he was kind of a dumbass but now it's fascism vs communism. What the hell is going on?
 
Anybody ever think about the fact that all this far-right fascist/confederate/neo-nazi nonsense was just a really fringe annoyance back during GWB, Clinton, etc? I don't even recall it being a *real* issue through Obama's years.
Because these people who hold racist/bigoted views felt empowered by Trump's fascistic rhetoric, (especially "they're bringing crime, they're bringing drugs, they're rapists", and "there were some very fine people on both sides" and other related quotes) therefore they feel they can openly display their racism without hesitation. Also, fascist/far-right groups like the Proud Boys, Atomwaffen, and the American Vanguard have grown in membership since 2016. Also, social media platforms heavily occupies by these crazies such as Gab and 8chan. Social media as a whole has definitely give them a voice. Although Youtube, Instagram, Reddit, etc, cracks down on hateful content, that doesn't mean these people (and they're supporters, who could be desrcibed as "Alt-Lite") aren't active on these platforms at all. I remember watching a clip of neo-nazis and white supremacists being interviewed at the Charlottesville rally, and many of these loonies genuinely thought Trump was working to establish the US as a white homeland, and to fight back against "The Jews" who are supposedly responsible for non-white immigration in the US and to them, frankly anything that's wrong with the world.
 
Is it just politics and media coverage? Is it the expansion of social media? Was it a ticking timebomb that was bound to happen? Did one president light this fire? Is it people succumbing to propaganda and brainwashing but refusing to believe that's the case? Is everything and everybody *actually* insane these days or is whatever system which is allowing this to happen simply making us all take sides against each other? I know that my beliefs have evolved over the past few years and I've also drawn a couple lines in the sand but I mean damn, these lines are like the resurrection of the Mason-Dixon. And here in southwest Ohio we're kind of on the front lines, literally. People are so vehemently for or against our current president it's ridiculous. Is it ridiculous? Hell, our biggest complaint about GWB was he was kind of a dumbass but now it's fascism vs communism. What the hell is going on?

I think a good chunk of it would be social media. Trump's posts on twitter have been fairly polarizing and one sided. He only cares about republican support and takes jabs at the democrats/nonsupporters whenever he can. I don't know if that will change for the election campaign. He seems to be shifting a bit. When you have a leader like that, it's fairly easy to see why people are getting riled up.

There's no effort to seek unity on any issue. The lockdown has been politicized. Masks have been politicized. Police reform has been politicized.
 
Using a position of authority to coerce women into doing what you want isn't actually consent....
Fake news! Trump would NEVER rape or sexually harass any woman. He's a man of character and he's even said once that he has tremendous respect for women! All 60 or so of these accusations were obviously just fabricated for political gain. These accusers are all paid off by the Clintons and Soros!
 
Anybody ever think about the fact that all this far-right fascist/confederate/neo-nazi nonsense was just a really fringe annoyance back during GWB, Clinton, etc? I don't even recall it being a *real* issue through Obama's years. And suddenly it's not only the headline of ever news story, but actual real people we know and are friends with are drawing lines in the sand and it's like, what the hell dude, since when politics become the defining aspect of your social life? Since when did our friends become full-blown assholes, and all people of any thought are thinking the same thing.

Is it just politics and media coverage? Is it the expansion of social media? Was it a ticking timebomb that was bound to happen? Did one president light this fire? Is it people succumbing to propaganda and brainwashing but refusing to believe that's the case? Is everything and everybody *actually* insane these days or is whatever system which is allowing this to happen simply making us all take sides against each other? I know that my beliefs have evolved over the past few years and I've also drawn a couple lines in the sand but I mean damn, these lines are like the resurrection of the Mason-Dixon. And here in southwest Ohio we're kind of on the front lines, literally. People are so vehemently for or against our current president it's ridiculous. Is it ridiculous? Hell, our biggest complaint about GWB was he was kind of a dumbass but now it's fascism vs communism. What the hell is going on?

I love it when someone asks an intelligent question. Here we have a whole series of them! 👍 Every question is bit different and may deserve a nuanced answer.

I think a house divided against itself cannot stand. Something needs to be done soon to resolve the division. That thing can only be a social and political revolution culminating in a socialist system - a more unified, harmonious "hive-mind" society. This is happening now, but there is a crucial problem to be resolved first.

IMHO, by far the major reality and hope going forward now is that the great bulk of the institutions and population have bent the knee to the BLM movement. The three top non-negotiable demands of the BLM movement are (1) reparations in the form of a livable, lifetime income, (2) defunding police, and (3) immunity from arrest, prosecution, and criticism. Once you have bent the knee, you have acceded to implementing these demands and cannot go back.

I believe the only fly in the ointment is that white Antifa'ns and Anarchists have taken a giant crap on BLM by going too far down the path of riot and arson, polluting the validity of the movement. If this can be remedied, remaining reactionary resistance can be suppressed in law and policy after sweeping the Fall election.
 
Got a source for those as non-negotiable demands of BLM? Because you'd think that they'd be front and centre of their platform, but I'm not seeing it.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/
Those demands were posted prominently for weeks on the front lines of CHAZ/CHOP. They can be seen on numerous TV coverage video.
The information is out there if you look for it.

Here's a representative sampling:



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https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hit...l-black-lives-matter-releases-list-of-demands



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https://m4bl.org/policy-platforms/

https://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/08/01/blm-platform-calls-for-reparations

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...first-black-lives-matter-agenda-idUSKCN10C3E1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_for_Black_Lives

https://www.npr.org/local/305/2020/...-d-c-is-calling-for-and-where-the-city-stands

https://theundefeated.com/whhw/black-lives-matter-groups-release-demands/

https://populardemocracy.org/news-a...sues-first-political-agenda-demanding-slavery

https://news.trust.org/item/20200624170052-dt00z/

BLM proudly proclaims its belief that all black Americans should receive a guaranteed minimum income and “free” healthcare, schooling, food, real estate, gender reassignment surgery, and abortion; bring an “an end to all jails” as we know them; disrupt the traditional family; demand reparations on behalf of foreign nations; and form a “global liberation movement” that will “overturn US imperialism [and] capitalism.”
https://www.acton.org/publications/...xplainer-what-does-black-lives-matter-believe
 
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Those demands were posted prominently for weeks on the front lines of CHAZ/CHOP. They can be seen on numerous TV coverage video.
The information is out there if you look for it.

Remember that I'm not in America. I'm not naturally exposed to the same media that you are. Particularly I'm not exposed to as much of the race stuff, because we have coverage of our own racist policies in Australia that rightly tend to drown out coverage of foreign racism.


Okay, I think I understand. M4BL isn't BLM, which is why when I went looking for those statements from BLM I didn't find much. Admittedly, there's a lot of media where the two terms are basically synonyms, even though that's incorrect.

M4BL demands those things, although I'd question whether they're non-negotiable. BLM as a subset of M4BL may or may not agree with all of those specific demands, but supports the general cause. In much the same way that say Mitt Romney may not agree with everything that Trump and the Republican party does, but he's still supporting the general cause.
 
Remember that I'm not in America. I'm not naturally exposed to the same media that you are. Particularly I'm not exposed to as much of the race stuff, because we have coverage of our own racist policies in Australia that rightly tend to drown out coverage of foreign racism.



Okay, I think I understand. M4BL isn't BLM, which is why when I went looking for those statements from BLM I didn't find much. Admittedly, there's a lot of media where the two terms are basically synonyms, even though that's incorrect.

M4BL demands those things, although I'd question whether they're non-negotiable. BLM as a subset of M4BL may or may not agree with all of those specific demands, but supports the general cause. In much the same way that say Mitt Romney may not agree with everything that Trump and the Republican party does, but he's still supporting the general cause.

Thank you for that information. From my sequestered knothole in Seattle, I have never even heard of M4BL, not even once. I will definitely start looking into it. On the other hand, I have spent many hours looking at what's right under my nose; the city, the county, and CHAZ/CHOP. I live in a white, wealthy neighborhood, greater Ballard in the northwest quarter of town. Every block is festooned with BLM signs in yards and windows. Almost all sports teams, media, corporations, institutions of every sort, and of course elected officials have bent the knee to the movement. On June 12th BLM had a silent march in which over 60,000 people were reported to have participated over several hours and miles of marching. That's when I knew they had won the game, set and match. That's the largest demonstration by far to have ever happened in Seattle. Resistance is futile, and possibly dangerous.
 
Desperate Trump to unveil (false flag?) alien invasion in October Surprise, predicts one wag.

ELECTION 2020
Trump’s October Surprise
What if Donald Trump believes he’s going to lose in the fall? He might just play the wildest card in all of human history.

Bryce Zabel

Jul 10 · 7 min read

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The “October Surprise” is a deliberately created or timed news event that is intended to influence the outcome of a presidential election. October gets the naming rights because the date for national elections is in early November. The idea is to disrupt the flow of the campaign significantly enough and close enough to the election to shatter the existing electoral dynamics.

Donald Trump, knowing he’d lose if the election was held today, wants one of those October Surprises so he can beat Biden over the head with it.

It’s the latest bright, shiny object to get his attention in a growing wave of bright, shiny objects that everyone from the U.S. Navy to his own son seem to be talking about.

He knows both of the Clintons were into this issue and wanted to break the news to the world. In President Trump’s mind, it’s probably worth doing just for the sheer joy he’d get thinking about Bill and Hillary not getting any credit at all when it happens on his watch.

Besides, every time he has said a word about this subject, it’s generated headlines. Writers and journalists spend days and weeks analyzing what he meant. He doesn’t have to Tweet to amplify this message, it spreads more efficiently than Covid.

He likes the attention. His pal, Tucker Carlson, says this is a good issue and that he should consider using it if he needs to.

We all know that Donald Trump is just crazy enough to do it.

And by “do it,” we mean throw the entire UFO issue into the upcoming presidential election at the last minute in a wild attempt to deflect, distract and scare enough people to win the election.

That’s right. Unidentified flying objects dumped smack into the middle of a presidential election by a sitting president who actually loves the idea of how disruptive it could be.

It sounds crazy. It’s not going to happen. Right? I mean, right?

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What has he got to lose?
It’s the Ultimate Violation of a Norm
While it’s a long-shot, the facts on-the-ground say that it’s not impossible. Two key concepts drive this —

  • UAP, Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, have become a legit issue in the last three years. First, the New York Times covered a government UFO program on the front page. Three Navy videos of UAP encounters were just confirmed as authentic by the DoD. The Senate Intelligence Committee just sent a bill to the full Senate that includes giving the U.S. intelligence community 180 days to come back with a report on what all of the various agencies have to say on the subject.
So, yes, the UFO/UAP thing has become a real deal.

  • Trump can’t help but notice that whenever he has spoken about UFO topics, he generates waves of headlines and coverage that makes him look like a guy in the know. That dynamic has given us Trump talking to George Stephanopoulus in the Oval Office about UFOs and Navy pilots, discussing the same with Tucker Carlson at the end of a lengthy interview, and even recently doing a Father’s Day interview with Don Jr. where the Commander-in-Chief of all of the United States Armed Forces said what he knew about Roswell was “very interesting.”
What Has He Got to Lose?
Most people assume that Trump knows very little about the UAP subject. Either he hasn’t asked for the big briefing or it hasn’t been offered, plausible deniability and all, and because the people who run deep programs like that see the president as a transient employee of the government who can’t necessarily be trusted.

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But Trump knows something. Even if all he does is hang out with his Fox friends Hannity and Carlson, he knows that people are talking about UFOs and taking them seriously and they think he knows more than he’s saying.

He’s seen the videos. They’re short so he could stay focused. He’s been told that they took place in Navy airspace. He’s got the military angle talking point solid — these mystery objects are a threat to our national security.

Trump Becomes the Ultimate Anarchist
Now Trump, who rarely gives a written speech anyway, sure isn’t going to have one written up on this topic. That would be, in his mind, an open invitation to the committee of losers that surround him to screw it all up because they don’t understand media combat the way he does.

Trump probably wouldn’t weigh this decision more than five minutes, but the argument for action is simple enough. If there is a threat to us from ET or whoever, then other countries will rally around the U.S. because we have the best weapons, and the American people will keep him in office because they know he’ll be tougher than Biden.

The final of three debates is October 22nd, less than two weeks before the election. If the election is going against Trump by the last on-stage appearance with Biden then, as the President so famously asks different interest groups, “What have you got to lose?”

The Great Debate in Nashville
Even if Trump wants to play this card, there are obviously multiple ways it could happen in the endgame of a chaotic and polarizing campaign.

Here’s just one example: It’s Thursday, October 22 at Belmont University in Nashville.

Donald Trump and Joe Biden step on the debate stage for the third and final time. The last two meetings have been memorable for plain old strange zeitgeist weirdness, but both sides will think their guy won hands down.

Remember, this last debate is a live event. No one can shut Trump up even if they want to.

Future History
Trump knows he’s going to say something, doesn’t want to over-rehearse, wants to play it by ear. At some point, he’s going to just come out and say it: aliens are real, UFOs are real, it could be bad, but he’s got it handled. This requires somebody with guts, you can’t let a wuss like Biden deal with these creatures.

Biden, hit with this broadside, may literally have no response. The subject will not have come up in debate prep. Yet there it will be. Just him and a crazy President on stage together, and the crazy President just said that he thinks we have an alien problem, and doesn’t think Biden is tough enough to handle it. What in the world will Joe do with that one?

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It won’t be good, that’s for sure. And whatever he says will be played over and over and over again, just like Trump’s dramatic bombshell revelation.

Joe Biden, thinking on his feet about aliens. Just imagine that.

And They’re Off!
After the debate, while Biden virtual huddles with his advisors, Trump will give Tucker Carlson a sweetheart one-hour exclusive. By the end of it, we have the messiest Disclosure scenario imagined by anyone unfolding before us.

The only thing standing between this really happening and it all being a piece of fiction cooked up in my overactive imagination is the whim of Donald J. Trump, a man who has trained himself through Twitter to say whatever he wants whenever he thinks of it. I’m just saying…

Trump will paint himself as tough on aliens. He will paint Biden as a dangerous pacifist. The commercials that both campaigns had prepared long in advance to roll out against each other are worthless.

The Final Days of the 2020 Campaign
With a public battered by coronavirus, racial justice protests, and a sputtering economy, cable news blows up with scientists, celebrity abductees, whistleblowers, witnesses, pilots, and God knows who else, all trying to verify what exactly Trump has disclosed and to pitch their expertise to talk about whether it is true and what is being done about it.

Trump Makes It a National Security Election
In the end, in the shadow of Disclosure, the Trump campaign will be asking whose finger do you want on the button if there are ETs buzzing our aircraft carriers and missile silos. He’ll remind us how he can be very, very strong, the strongest president in all of history, he’s been told. The Biden campaign will be talking about keeping an open mind until we have more facts, and if there was ever a topic made for a history-altering gaffe, it would have to be this one. At some point, Joe will go philosophical and say something memorable for the history books.

Someone on the Biden team now should spend five minutes on a potential policy because you never know.

The Disclosure of UFO reality is such a disruptive act with the bonus that Trump loves, he’ll get to be front-stage center through it all. Better still, even if he loses, he gets to turn the hard part of the UAP reality-issue over to a successor to sort out the messy details.

After a simple blurb in a national debate, anything could happen. Anything.

Admittedly, this is not likely to be anyone’s first choice for how the world should handle such an important issue as learning that we are not alone but we are, after all, only human.

You heard it here first.
https://medium.com/on-the-trail-of-the-saucers/trumps-october-surprise-9f472bf88efd
 
Hmm. Crazy Dr. lady did also say something about Alien DNA being used in medicine. Maybe that's why Trump actually liked her.
 
Anybody ever think about the fact that all this far-right fascist/confederate/neo-nazi nonsense was just a really fringe annoyance back during GWB, Clinton, etc? I don't even recall it being a *real* issue through Obama's years. And suddenly it's not only the headline of ever news story, but actual real people we know and are friends with are drawing lines in the sand and it's like, what the hell dude, since when politics become the defining aspect of your social life? Since when did our friends become full-blown assholes, and all people of any thought are thinking the same thing.

Is it just politics and media coverage? Is it the expansion of social media? Was it a ticking timebomb that was bound to happen? Did one president light this fire? Is it people succumbing to propaganda and brainwashing but refusing to believe that's the case? Is everything and everybody *actually* insane these days or is whatever system which is allowing this to happen simply making us all take sides against each other? I know that my beliefs have evolved over the past few years and I've also drawn a couple lines in the sand but I mean damn, these lines are like the resurrection of the Mason-Dixon. And here in southwest Ohio we're kind of on the front lines, literally. People are so vehemently for or against our current president it's ridiculous. Is it ridiculous? Hell, our biggest complaint about GWB was he was kind of a dumbass but now it's fascism vs communism. What the hell is going on?

Pretty sure it's mostly Facebook echo chambers. Not even Fox News is as toxic and insidious.

However, I do think Donald Trump is as bad as he is made out to be, that is not an illusion (it has to be, I don't even have social media! Unless you count GTP...)
 
Well, he wanted less testing and he attacked Fauci for misleading recently. And he also said is was a hoax in the beginning. Hmmm...

Sad
Quit spreading lies. He was joking about less testing. And it wasn't the virus that was a hoax, it was the media hype.
 
Quit spreading lies. He was joking about less testing. And it wasn't the virus that was a hoax, it was the media hype.

Joking about a disease that has killed 150,000 Americans in 4 months seems pretty...bad. Also, I disagree that the virus/disease was overhyped. If anything, we were nowhere near prepared.
 
Joking about a disease that has killed 150,000 Americans in 4 months seems pretty...bad. Also, I disagree that the virus/disease was overhyped. If anything, we were nowhere near prepared.
OMG, what country was prepared? You know this is a global thing, right?
 
Quit spreading lies. He was joking about less testing. And it wasn't the virus that was a hoax, it was the media hype.
When his press sec. Kayleigh McEnemy was asked to explain his choice of words about the testing, she claimed he was just cracking a joke. Yet right after that, Trump called her out, saying “I don’t kid”. I don’t know what more proof you need that Trump wasn’t kidding about slowing the testing down.
 
OMG, what country was prepared? You know this is a global thing, right?

No country was completely prepared, but it's obvious by looking at the last month or so that we were far less prepared than others. This isn't even just a Trump thing either as the response on the state level has been rather piss poor even in Democrat states.
 
When his press sec. Kayleigh McEnemy was asked to explain his choice of words about the testing, she claimed he was just cracking a joke. Yet right after that, Trump called her out, saying “I don’t kid”. I don’t know what more proof you need that Trump wasn’t kidding about slowing the testing down.
When Fauchi and the other officials were asked about Trump telling them to slow down testing they all said "no". Do I really have to find the video for you?

This isn't even just a Trump thing either as the response on the state level has been rather piss poor even in Democrat states.
The US is a more of a republic, than a homogenized country. The states have power to govern themselves.
 
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