The Homosexuality Discussion Thread
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Fixed.
And are you saying that because Moses wasn't a Christian then what he says doesn't count? Because this applies to literally everyone who came before Jesus and including Jesus himself.
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After reading the context, it was misquoted. But the point of "You better have sex with your dead brother's wife or else" still stands:
Granted, it's the Old Testament, but it also says in the OT that gay stuff is a no-no. So going back to @Castrol96's statement "I can't refuse something given by God," he can't really pick and choose.Genesis 38:8ff
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No, I'm saying that the words of Moses can't be attributed as the teachings of Jesus... I think the Bible has an important place as any other text or oral tradition in informing history and society. I was just being pedantic.
It IS arguable whether or not Jesus was Christian and you can spend several years doing exactly that at a number of Britain's fine Ecumenical Colleges
EDIT: @Daniel , I was going to point it it's old testament ... but that passage isn't about homosexuality, it's about masturbation and female enslavement.
It warns against "Onanism" or the wasting of life through the waste of one's seed.
Moses is quoted in Mark 12:19 (as you quoted) " If a man's brother die, and leave his wife behind him, and leave no children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother."
That has nothing to do with homosexuality, it has to do with a brother's duty to provide offspring to his sibling's childless widow. The Genesis you quoted reinforces that.
EDIT EDIT: I see what you mean now! Of course no one takes the Bible as fact except people in Facebook memes
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That's such a great idea, having people enter a loveless marriage with the opposite gender only because it's supposed to be the norm.Fine point, nice avatar, but in my religion we believe that god has made a solution, and that problems like HIV caused by extreme homosexuality is, 'what god has done about it'
Also, please say you weren't serious about the HIV part. You're being just like the preachers who claim natural disasters occur because people aren't doing what your god wants.
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@TenEightyOne I understand. My main point was that if Custom is to obey everything God had said (such as "eww gay stuff" from Leviticus), he would have to obey the command I quoted from Genesis (and indirectly, Mark).
EDIT: And now I see your edit.
EDIT: And now I see your edit.
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Of course no one takes the Bible as fact except people in Facebook memes
Unfortunately...
Biblical literalism
Young Earth creationism
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So how do you decide which Biblical parts are right and which ones are not?
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Why is this a thread on gtplanet?
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Why shouldn't it be?
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Because it's in off-topic? Did you read it?
Although we had got off-topic in bibliographic discussions... apologies mods
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Science disagrees with you. Statistics disagree with you. Reality disagrees with you. And if your source is a tinpot African dictator, you really have to review your stand on the issue. That's nearly as bad as finding yourself on the same side as Kim Il Jong on the issue individual liberty and property rights.
It's okay to be a bit straight, just don't go crazy screwing women, and, in the end, you should really chop your weiner off and become a eunuch, like all good men of God do.
Homosexuality is hardly black and white. While there are some for whom the door swings far enough both ways that they can happily hook up with a partner of the opposite sex, there are others for whom the thought of sex with someone of the opposite gender is just as distasteful as sex with your own gender is to you.
Let's find out:
I think there is proof of the government oppressing the religious right here.
The big bad government won't let us keep slaves, anymore.
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Note, the second example? Levirate marriage? That's where the onus against onanism comes in, from the man who refused to impregnate his dead brother's wife. That one passage is used to justify the Church's puritanical stance against masturbation, condoms and anal sex (and, hence, gay sex)... which is, strangely, still illegal in some states in the US.
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I don't know man, I'm really confused in what most of you are saying.
You're saying it's okay to be a bit gay, but that, in the end, you should totally get with a woman.
What if you were told it's okay to be a bit straight, but in the end, you should totally be celibate. Or totally be gay. How does that feel?
People think being gay is a phase. It isn't. Some people are very gay. Some are moderately gay. Some are slightly gay. Even those of us who are completely straight will sometimes possess feminine attributes, because being slightly feminine (want to see what a man with no feminine attributes acts like? look up "roid rage") makes men better fathers. That's just genetics.
Now that all of you are arguing with me, even the moderators and administrators, I'm out! I lost what all of you are trying to say, also I came here to share 1 post; unless your trying to brainwash me
Far from it. We're simply pointing out that your concept of the issue is limited by your limited experience. Simply take the time to understand the science behind the issue, and you'll eventually realize what's what.
Accepting the existence of homosexuality does not require you participating in it or promoting it. It simply requires that you don't try to impose your values on them (for example, telling them they should force themselves to marry heterosexually). The only reason this is an issue is because religious dogma has created legal barriers and discrimination against homosexuality in many countries.
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You said "forget the scientific knowledge". Scientific knowledge (or "knowledge" as it's properly known) is how we get medicines.
Out of interest, which of the versions of the book given by God is the real one you're talking about?
That book given by God also contains instructions not to wear clothing of two different fabrics, not to eat bacon or prawns and not to get tattoos - in the same part it says not to do it with a dude because that's icky.I don't understand
Out of interest, which of the versions of the book given by God is the real one you're talking about?
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As the father of a son with defective genes, before he was diagnosed with CF, I couldn't have cared less about genes, replacement organs, etc. but now I'm all for genetic research into finding a way to help him.
Unless I'm supposed to concede that when he inevitably precedes me in death that "God needed another angel" because thinking and researching are bad.
As for being gay, that is one of countless variations of normal, granted to a minority in compared to heterosexual, but normal nonetheless. And even if you don't consider being gay normal, if it doesn't affect you personally, I find it hard to understand why you'd have such a strong opinion one way or the other.
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Yes.
Tough.
People are free to take offence at whatever they want at any time and for any reason. It's not beholden upon anyone else never to cause offence, precisely for this reason - though there is a gulf between being offensive (which is a subset of expression) and saying things to which people can take offence (which is all expression).
So why shouldn't there be a thread discussing homosexuality on GTPlanet?
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The existence of this forum itself can be seen as offensive for people who think a private GT forum shouldn't be the biggest one of its kind in the world.
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I try not to cause offense (because socially that's the most acceptable way of conducting oneself) but I'm aware that some of my opinions, views and beliefs are offensive to some other people.
I support their right to be offended by my views but am quite happy to disagree with them. I don't hold them responsible for any offense that they cause me, I hold the belief responsible. I have the right to be offended as much as they do, but it's not up to me to say that they may not do it.
Ultimately, if I'm really uncomfortable with a subject or conversation then I'll censor myself by walking away, changing page, changing channel.
I support their right to be offended by my views but am quite happy to disagree with them. I don't hold them responsible for any offense that they cause me, I hold the belief responsible. I have the right to be offended as much as they do, but it's not up to me to say that they may not do it.
Ultimately, if I'm really uncomfortable with a subject or conversation then I'll censor myself by walking away, changing page, changing channel.
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