The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

[Castrol96]

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[Famine]

I don't really know, I haven't read any properly or the names of them.

So...

How do you know you've picked the right book given by God and aren't, in fact, rejecting the real book given by God?

Remember, I'm not that clever, the most is general knowledge. And again, with the scientific knowledge, I don't mean forget science, any of it especially the genes bit. I love science, but at the beginning I meant the scientific knowledge about the gay genes. I don't believe it myself

The thing with science - and indeed knowledge, since they are interchangeable - is that it doesn't really matter who believes what, the reality of the knowledge doesn't change.

It's the purpose of the scientific method to discover information free from the bias of personal values. It's your choice to believe its results or not, but that doesn't change the results.

sorry if some of you might have been offended.

Whether or not anyone is offended is irrelevant (and I can't for the life of me think why they would be). The point is that you're coming here with a self-admitted very low level of knowledge and the folk here are pointing out where the gaps are and filling them in for you so that you can leave with a higher level of knowledge and, better yet, an improved ability to think critically when approaching new knowledge.

 

[Castrol96]

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[Azure Flare]

I forgot this was gtplanet, but a place where everyone has to reply/argue with my comments.

When you say what you've said, expect responses.

 

[Castrol96]

When you say what you've said, expect responses.

What now???, can't you see I have changed my opinion . I'm seriously getting tired of replying to you

 

[Azure Flare]

I was talking about EVERYTHING you've said in this thread so far.

 

[Castrol96]

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[dylansan]

Remember, I'm sorry what I have said that may have offended you, but leave it for now. If you love men, its not my problem, OK!!! .

As far as I can tell, no one is replying because they're offended. You've admitted gaps in your knowledge and discussion is the best way to fill them.

There's no pressure to quickly respond to everyone in this thread, but there's also no reason to abandon it completely.

If you have any interest in learning, I'd stick around, at least tentatively. If not, well, a lot of us would find that silly.

 

[SagarisGTB]

So why shouldn't there be a thread discussing homosexuality on GTPlanet?

There's absolutely no problem with having a thread discussing homosexuality and issues related to it. I'm just explaining why some may have a problem with this thread in particular, more specifically the title and the poll which can be taken as an invitation for bigotry. A thread that dignifies positions of intolerance as poll options can be insensitive.

But the alternative would be sticking your head in the sand, which is worse, so I'm not going to endorse doing away with this thread or modifying it or anything of the sort.

 

[Castrol96]

As far as I can tell, no one is replying because they're offended. You've admitted gaps in your knowledge and discussion is the best way to fill them.

There's no pressure to quickly respond to everyone in this thread, but there's also no reason to abandon it completely.

If you have any interest in learning, I'd stick around, at least tentatively. If not, well, a lot of us would find that silly.

That what I came for, just to hear some opinions and share mine, all over a sudden all you start responding to me. Leave me out now, I'm sorry for offence OK, it was my mistake!

 

[TB]

Sorry if I had offended you in anyway

It takes a lot more to offend me than that.

I still feel sorry for you.

And I feel sorry for your close-mindedness.

Okay, and thanks that's fine by me . I'm finished with this thread. I almost spent my whole day replying here, lol.

Your continued responses say otherwise.

I'm seriously getting tired of replying to you

No one is making you.

If you love men, its not my problem, OK!!! .

It's no ones problem or fault and yet you sound like you're ready to burn them as heretics.

 

[Castrol96]

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[Igano]

My take on homosexuality is that it maybe genetic and/or a social behavior. In my neighborhood I saw a young boy around 11 years old. He was totally feminine and only made company with girls. His body was feminine too with small shoulders and his voice was the voice of a young girl and his movement too. That case I can't believe it could be just a social behavior because the boy was very young and in elementary school I don't think he found anything to imitate (I know his family and we live in a village so there is no similar case around). It must be something with his genes. On the other hand I know cases where men started out going with women and later switching to men, I believe that this could be credited to social behavior.

I find it a bit silly that a man changing to woman can compete in women sport. In the name of equal rights they totally ignore the fact that this person could be a well developed man (but it is not allways the case with transgender people) and have a huge advantage. I believe this is something that will cause trouble in sports in the future.

As I am an atheist I have no real reason not to want homosexual couples be able to adopt kids, but I think it should be monitored or studied in the beginning to observe the possible differences that might occur. I personally approve it for 2 reasons:
- there are so many homeless kids or orphans who never knew a parent, and it is the humane thing to do
- human overpopulation is sucking the life out of the planet and we really need to cut our numbers down (in a gentle way ) and homosexuality in result lowers the reproduction rate of the population.

 

[TenEightyOne]

The truth is that as sexual organisms we are physically closely related. Penile/scrotal development in males, clitoral/labial development in females is the most obvious sign, the trigger for development of either (or both) is normally related to fetal hormone levels. Clearly the differences develop to an even greater extent but the base organism is the same, the gender bifurcation only takes place once the hormone level is established.

That knowledge has led to many studies of sexuality that examined genetics, hormone levels and any propensities for fetal hormone imbalance (nature). Many found that in some cases there are clear hormonal or genetic markers which could explain homo- or hetero-sexuality in a testosterone.vs.oestrogen hypothesis.

Equally many studies have found environmental (nurture) indicators which could equally explain homo- or hetero-sexuality in other cases.

Really, everyone's different and for all kinds of reasons. Maybe we don't like everyone else, that's cool, we just need to understand that it's not our right to choose for them.

 

[Azuremen]

That what I came for, just to hear some opinions and share mine, all over a sudden all you start responding to me. Leave me out now, I'm sorry for offence OK, it was my mistake!

Most of us are use to being offended.

What is making people respond to you, and also be confused, is you've effectively said you don't really understand your own religion, science, the basis for you religion, the basis for science, differing perspectives, and wrapped it all up by saying you aren't "clever."

This is like coming into the GT section and claiming Forza is better, GT sucks, and everyone is an idiot while having played neither GT or Forza. Follow?

 

[Castrol96]

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[TenEightyOne]

I don't care anymore Okay, I'm clever, I know my religion and the science behind it, my opinion was not clear enough and you should understand by now, I have played forza and GT, there both good I'm not biased as a person. And stop quoting my posts, I've had about over 20 today, and your really starting to frustrate me!!! I'm sick of talking about this!

Then stop. You choose to reply, you choose not to reply.

It's good that you can admit to being bi-simutorial, it's the first step to really accepting yourself as a man

 

[Azuremen]

I don't care anymore Okay, I'm clever, I know my religion and the science behind it, my opinion was not clear enough and you should understand by now, I have played forza and GT, there both good I'm not biased as a person. And stop quoting my posts, I've had about over 20 today, and your really starting to frustrate me!!! I'm sick of talking about this!

Pretty this God you love also gave you freewill, which means you can choose to not respond

Honestly, based on your previous posts, you really don't know what you're talking about. That is fine, provided you don't stick your fingers in your eyes and ignore everyone offering insight and information to you.

And if you were clever you'd have realized the GT/Forza was an analogy with no bearing on whether you like GT or Forza or have played them even. I couldn't care less what you think about either game.

 

[Castrol96]

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[Azure Flare]

Well that's funny, I don't care about you. Listen yeah, I don't care I would rather like to see you disapare. I love my god, why should I care for you now. Did I offend your god so why do with mine! Have you lost your mind, you need to remember the time. You can disagree and be my enemies, but it my point of view, so screw you!

With an attitude like that, you might not be able to respond to our posts that you have the option to not respond to for much longer.

 

[Scaff]

You can disagree and be my enemies, but it my point of view, so screw you! And stop your posts, its like every toast (made for breakfast in the world).

The AUP...

• You will not behave in an abusive and/or hateful manner, and will not harass, threaten, nor attack any individual or any group.

...do not attack another member again.

 

[Famine]

I don't care anymore Okay, I'm clever, I know my religion and the science behind it, my opinion was not clear enough and you should understand by now, I have played forza and GT, there both good I'm not biased as a person. And stop quoting my posts, I've had about over 20 today, and your really starting to frustrate me!!!

Well that's funny, I don't care about you. Listen yeah, I don't care, I would rather like to see you disapare. I love my god, why should I care for you now. Did I offend your god so why do with mine! Have you lost your mind, do you need to remember the time. You can disagree and be my enemies, but it my point of view, so screw you! And stop your posts, its like every toast (made for breakfast in the world).

When I don't care about someone or something, I don't incessantly post about it or respond to them.

I've got this feeling that you're not very old. In fact if I were to guess your age based on your posts, I'd guess at 10-12 - am I close?

 

[TenEightyOne]

And stop your posts, its like every toast (made for breakfast in the world).

That actually blew what's left of my mind. I might have to come back tomorrow and read that again.

 

[Castrol96]

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[Azure Flare]

The minimum age for anyone to register for GTP is 13.

 

[Castrol96]

The minimum age for anyone to register for GTP is 13.

I'm Over 12, that's left of all my saying.

 

[Imari]

Okay, I will but stop quoting please.

I suspect other people are enjoying the discussion.

If you want it to stop, then stop responding. Nobody has a gun to your head, and the people in this thread can't debate with you if you don't reply. Yeah, you'll keep getting alerts for a few days while people keep putting their two cents in, but that's just what you get when you post on this board.

You may also want to consider using the brain God gave you to think through your opinions before you post them, particularly if they're simply copies of what someone else has told you. That, or be prepared that you're going to learn a lot when you post. There's some pretty intelligent and educated people in here.

 

[Danny]

I don't care anymore Okay, I'm clever, I know my religion and the science behind it, my opinion was not clear enough and you should understand by now, I have played forza and GT, there both good I'm not biased as a person. And stop quoting my posts, I've had about over 20 today, and your really starting to frustrate me!!!

I think I'm starting to see the problem here.

 

[Daniel]

I don't care anymore Okay, I'm clever, I know my religion and the science behind it, my opinion was not clear enough and you should understand by now, I have played forza and GT, there both good I'm not biased as a person. And stop quoting my posts, I've had about over 20 today, and your really starting to frustrate me!!!

Good one.

 

[niky]

Equally many studies have found environmental (nurture) indicators which could equally explain homo- or hetero-sexuality in other cases.

Less an explanation than a factor in how that person expresses their sexuality. Someone brought up in a very strictly fundamentalist community isn't expected to express homosexual tendencies as someone who is not.

This is most clearly seen in adopted children of same-sex couples, or children exposed to same-sex couples. These children either become heterosexual or homosexual based on the same reasons most people become heterosexual or homosexual: genes and hormones.

So far, there has been no conclusive evidence pointing to social factors over-riding gender identification.