The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

[nascarfan1400]

I'm disappointed in Germany. I really thought that gay marriage already was legal there. But as it turns out, Merkel's party, the CDU, just now made the swing towards approval.

They're going to vote for it this Friday.

Better late than never, I suppose.

 

[Dennisch]

It's now legal in Germany. Welcome to the present.

Merkel stays in the past as she voted against because she thinks that marriage is for a man and woman only.

 

[Vinylshark]

Merkel stays in the past as she voted against because she thinks that marriage is for a man and woman only.

She needs to make sure that the refugees don't feel offended.
(Please note that this comment isn't serious at all)

More serious now, I actually wasn't aware that gay marriage just now became legal. I always thought that it already was legal for quite some time.

 

[Dennisch]

More serious now, I actually wasn't aware that gay marriage just now became legal. I always thought that it already was legal for quite some time.

Welcome to the club!

 

[Liquid]

I'm disappointed in Germany. I really thought that gay marriage already was legal there. But as it turns out, Merkel's party, the CDU, just now made the swing towards approval.

They're going to vote for it this Friday.

Christian Democratic Union always playing hard ball.

But hey, at least it has passed. Better for it to be legalised now than never legalised ever.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Welcome to the club!

I think I've been there - it vas wery Euro-techno

 

[Dennisch]

I think I've been there - it vas wery Euro-techno

Jaaah. Hausen auf techno mit glo-stiks! Or something like that. My German isn't what it used to be.

 

[Turbo]

Here are my views/thoughts on homosexuality:

I completely agree that gay is okay and gay people aren't any less (or more) human than heterosexuals. Homosexuality is completely natural, no one "chooses to be gay" ; there's something wrong with you if you think that homosexuality is artificial because medical research has literally proved that people are born gay. The truth is, many people who are homophobic and believe that gay is not okay are very religious; conservative Christians and Muslims are often homophobic. And this is one of the reasons why I think religion has negatively impacted the modern world; very religious people are convinced into thinking that a higher god despises gays. If there really is a higher god, would he/she just want people to love each other?

However, there are many issues with LGBT culture and LGBT "activists". They keep telling us that gay people in America are "oppressed" or have "less rights" than heterosexuals, but that's absolutely not true. This is 2017, where gay people are treated the same, paid the same, and have the same exact rights as their straight counterparts. And no, no one is trying to take away gay rights. It is a waste of time for gay people to march down the streets in protest, hollering about how oppressed they are and how those "privileged straight people" should do something about it, because LGBT people aren't oppressed, instead they should be grateful they have the same opportunity as straight people. If they really want to experience true oppression, ship them to basically any country under Islamic rule, where chances are they will be stoned to death.

The other thing I do not like about LGBT culture is Pride Month. Pride Month is nothing more than a stupid waste of time, since people don't deserve a whole month to themselves for liking someone of their own sex. Truth is, gay people aren't "heroes" or more special than straights because of their sexuality, which is the opposite of what "Pride Month" tells us. The sad thing is, if i said any of the former to a good chunk of people marching at a pride parade, chances are they'd get triggered and call me a homophobe, despite the fact that info is nothing but the truth. Shouldn't we dedicate a month to people who have actually done something useful for our country, such as cops, soldiers, and firefighters?

 

[Scaff]

However, there are many issues with LGBT culture and LGBT "activists". They keep telling us that gay people in America are "oppressed" or have "less rights" than heterosexuals, but that's absolutely not true. This is 2017, where gay people are treated the same, paid the same, and have the same exact rights as their straight counterparts. And no, no one is trying to take away gay rights. It is a waste of time for gay people to march down the streets in protest, hollering about how oppressed they are and how those "privileged straight people" should do something about it, because LGBT people aren't oppressed, instead they should be grateful they have the same opportunity as straight people. If they really want to experience true oppression, ship them to basically any country under Islamic rule, where chances are they will be stoned to death.

Not exactly true however is it when you have states that do not provide equal employment rights based on sexuality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_employment_discrimination_in_the_United_States

The other thing I do not like about LGBT culture is Pride Month. Pride Month is nothing more than a stupid waste of time, since people don't deserve a whole month to themselves for liking someone of their own sex. Truth is, gay people aren't "heroes" or more special than straights because of their sexuality, which is the opposite of what "Pride Month" tells us. The sad thing is, if i said any of the former to a good chunk of people marching at a pride parade, chances are they'd get triggered and call me a homophobe, despite the fact that info is nothing but the truth. Shouldn't we dedicate a month to people who have actually done something useful for our country, such as cops, soldiers, and firefighters?

The idea of Gay pride (which is not about claiming to be hero's) certainly seems to have triggered you!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/15/why-gay-pride-matters-_n_5493379.html

You come across as being 'ok' with homosexuality as long as you don't have to actually acknowledge it exists. Now if you have the exact same view on heterosexuality then fine, but if you don't then I hate to break it to you but your not quite a OK with it as you think.

Particularly if you are offended (as you seem to be) with the idea of gay people simply expressing a joy in being who they are. Do you take similar issue with other parades of people celebrating who they are?

 

[Turbo]

Not exactly true however is it when you have states that do not provide equal employment rights based on sexuality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_employment_discrimination_in_the_United_States



The idea of Gay pride (which is not about claiming to be hero's) certainly seems to have triggered you!

Still, even in states where LGBT people do not have employment protection, doesn't mean that they can't get or maintain jobs. What matters to basically every employer in the country is that they're employee is a hard worker and gets things done, not their gender, race, or sexuality. Unless a gay person is applying to get a job at Hobby Lobby or some other conservative Christian or Islamic business, chances are they will not be discriminated. Furthermore, all of those states except Florida have very low LGBT populations.

I know exactly why we have Gay Pride. But that doesn't mean it's useful or beneficial.

 

[Scaff]

Still, even in states where LGBT people do not have employment protection, doesn't mean that they can't get or maintain jobs. What matters to basically every employer in the country is that they're employee is a hard worker and gets things done, not their gender, race, or sexuality. Unless a gay person is applying to get a job at Hobby Lobby or some other conservative Christian or Islamic business, chances are they will not be discriminated. Furthermore, all of those states except Florida have very low LGBT populations.

So your OK with minority groups not having equal rights and protection then, as that's what you have just said.

Oh and it directly contradicts your original claim.

I know exactly why we have Gay Pride. But that doesn't mean it's useful or beneficial.

Your original post certainly doesn't come across in that way at all.

"Truth is, gay people aren't "heroes" or more special than straights because of their sexuality, which is the opposite of what "Pride Month" tells us"

Your words and you seem to have forgotten a couple of questions I posed.

I would also argue that raising awareness of injustice in terms of a lack of equal rights, discrimination, etc is most certainly both a useful and beneficial activity.

The FBI also certainly seems to think its still an issue.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2015-hate-crime-statistics-released

 

[Danoff]

Not exactly true however is it when you have states that do not provide equal employment rights based on sexuality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_employment_discrimination_in_the_United_States

You cited that in response to this:

They keep telling us that gay people in America are "oppressed" or have "less rights" than heterosexuals, but that's absolutely not true.

Your article starts out with this line:

The regulation of LGBT employment discrimination in the United States varies by jurisdiction. Many, but far from all, states and localities prohibit bias in hiring, promotion, job assignment, termination, and compensation, as well as harassment on the basis of one's sexual orientation. Fewer extend those protections to cover sexual identity.

I don't know of any states, jurisdictions, or localities that prohibit bias against heterosexuals in hiring, promotion, job assignment, termination, compensation, or harassment. So if LGBT employees also lack protections from prohibited bias, that seems to be on equal footing with "heterosexuals".

In employment, it is the protected class that has "unequal rights", specifically, protected classes have a legally mandated advantage in hiring. So if LGBT people are complaining about having unequal rights, they should get in line with heterosexuals, and then they can all can direct their ire at protected classes for having special privileges.

 

[Scaff]

You cited that in response to this:



Your article starts out with this line:



I don't know of any states, jurisdictions, or localities that prohibit bias against heterosexuals in hiring, promotion, job assignment, termination, compensation, or harassment. So if LGBT employees also lack protections from prohibited bias, that seems to be on equal footing with "heterosexuals".

In employment, it is the protected class that has "unequal rights", specifically, protected classes have a legally mandated advantage in hiring. So if LGBT people are complaining about having unequal rights, they should get in line with heterosexuals, and then they can all can direct their ire at protected classes for having special privileges.

Quite true and I would agree 100% with that stance if the degree of discrimination on the basis of sexuality occured on an equal level.

I'm not personally aware of the number of people who have been discriminated against for being heterosexual, but I'm going to take a wild guess that its lower than the number for other sexual orientations.

It was also simply one example, you have the issue of conflict between state and federal in regard to same sex marriage and legal recognition of the rights that come with it. Something that appears to still be ongoing and while the federal law is quite clear currently, the current administration seem to be making noise about wanting to change that.

 

[Danoff]

Quite true and I would agree 100% with that stance if the degree of discrimination on the basis of sexuality occured on an equal level.

I'm not personally aware of the number of people who have been discriminated against for being heterosexual, but I'm going to take a wild guess that its lower than the number for other sexual orientations.

The degree to which it occurs is immaterial to the question of whether these groups have "equal rights" under the law.

It was also simply one example, you have the issue of conflict between state and federal in regard to same sex marriage and legal recognition of the rights that come with it. Something that appears to still be ongoing and while the federal law is quite clear currently, the current administration seem to be making noise about wanting to change that.

On that one, the constitution wins. The current administration can't trump (as it were) the supreme court.

 

[ToyGTone]

TBH if every Muslim in Saudi Arabia or nearby arab regions became atheist, nothing would change about the homosexual opinions simply because they will view it negative due to how they think that gay people are feminine and therefore against the nature.

Also I'm going to quote this from a private discussion:
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Sorry if this is a bit too long but...

So a recent hastag on Twitter in Saudi Arabia were regarding "Arresting semi-males" (referring to gay people being so feminine).

Several people wishes if the Authority came back to stop this whole "gay" stuff since the government stopped the Authority from doing their jobs. Plenty of people want homosexuals to be arrested and torture them until they become "real men". Some wants them to be killed instantly and complaining about the government not giving a crap about these so called "issues". Some are blaming their parents for not taking care of their son. Some wants them to be thrown in the south (of Saudi Arabia, near Yemen boarder) and be beaten up.
Someone said that we emirates (UAE) thankfully don't have that kind of **** only to see comments on how emirates is full of alcoholic bars and nightclubs so double standards.
I noticed very few people that went on and said "Let them live their lifes" and others going on how "Homosexuality is not a choice human can make" but they got attacked stating that this is made by the west...etc.

It's sad how they assume anything "softer than usual harsh saudi skin" is gay and ruining the community, by that logic every white teenage male I ever ecountered is probably gay.

Another thing is that i find it odd how saudi's are more accepting of Transgenders due to having different biological body or mindset than homosexuals being...homosexuals.

I hate my life.

*Authority are part of law officers that responsible for sever all religious stuff including closing all the stores during praying times.
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You know what's bothering me the most? How Muslims came to conclusion that Homosexual is bad.

To start, the whole homosexual reference in Islam wasn't even related to the Islam age but before jesus was even born. It was a story related to Noah and talked about how some community engaged in same sex sexual activity and that they got punishment for that along with several reasons.

Noticed how I mentioned sexual acts and not sexual identity? That because they never stated being gay was wrong. They just said those men who have sex with other men...etc are sinful. You got to remember that sex outside married couples is considered a sin and since you can't marry the same gender in Islam then homosexual acts are a sin as a whole.
They get punished in the same way as two heterosexuals engage in casual sex.
You know what people tend to ignore? The fact that there wasn't anything related to lesbians and that transsexuals are far more accepted by muslims as longs as it involves biological problems and not some "I woke up and I wanna be a women/men because I want to be, screw nature choices".

If anything, there's more stigma against people pretending to be the other gender regardless of his/her sexuality than some manly dude being gay.
Like...Look at this same exact hashtag from above:

First dude: I hope god helps their ("Fem-boy") status and situation.

Second person: And also arrest Tomboy's as well.

Third: I hope God helps them & guides them and stop these kind of stuff happening.

People over here tend to misunderstand "Homosexuality = Tomboy/Tomgirls". They tend to hate both of them and blames social aspects to be the cause.

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However, there are many issues with LGBT culture and LGBT "activists". They keep telling us that gay people in America are "oppressed" or have "less rights" than heterosexuals, but that's absolutely not true. This is 2017, where gay people are treated the same, paid the same, and have the same exact rights as their straight counterparts. And no, no one is trying to take away gay rights. It is a waste of time for gay people to march down the streets in protest, hollering about how oppressed they are and how those "privileged straight people" should do something about it, because LGBT people aren't oppressed, instead they should be grateful they have the same opportunity as straight people. If they really want to experience true oppression, ship them to basically any country under Islamic rule, where chances are they will be stoned to death.

Meh, if a LGBT person want to survive in Saudi Arabia then just go with the whole "don't ask don't tell" mentality and you will make it out fine.

The real oppression people experience in Saudi Arabia are the South Asians labor workers. Why India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka...etc took any action so far is beyond my mind.

And i have experience much more anti-arab people in the LGBTQ+ coummnity than anti-LGBT people in arab countries. Sexuality is something I could stop myself, ethincal is something I can't hide at all.

The other thing I do not like about LGBT culture is Pride Month. Pride Month is nothing more than a stupid waste of time, since people don't deserve a whole month to themselves for liking someone of their own sex. Truth is, gay people aren't "heroes" or more special than straights because of their sexuality, which is the opposite of what "Pride Month" tells us. The sad thing is, if i said any of the former to a good chunk of people marching at a pride parade, chances are they'd get triggered and call me a homophobe, despite the fact that info is nothing but the truth. Shouldn't we dedicate a month to people who have actually done something useful for our country, such as cops, soldiers, and firefighters?

I totally agree with you on this one tho.

 

[Scaff]

The degree to which it occurs is immaterial to the question of whether these groups have "equal rights" under the law.

The way the states that do have protect in place (as it is in the UK) do not permit discrimination based on gender or sexual orientation, that would cover all sexual orientation. I'm not aware that LBGT groups are asking for protection for just them, but rather that descrimitaion on the basis of sexual orientation (regardless of what that is) is covered.

On that one, the constitution wins. The current administration can't trump (as it were) the supreme court.

Thanks.

What are the differences in legal rights in regard to adoption, step-parent adoption, death benefits, family leave, etc?

Are these also all equal across the board in the US?

 

[Danoff]

The way the states that do have protect in place (as it is in the UK) do not permit discrimination based on gender or sexual orientation, that would cover all sexual orientation. I'm not aware that LBGT groups are asking for protection for just them, but rather that descrimitaion on the basis of sexual orientation (regardless of what that is) is covered.

That's a much more equal implementation than defining LBGT as a (or multiple) protected class, which is also an option. But without legislation that says that it's illegal to discriminate based on sexual orientation we're still left with an equal rights situation - one in which heterosexuals and homosexuals alike can be discriminated against based on sexual orientation. Once anti-discrimination laws are in place which cover everyone equally, it is employers who should cry foul of rights violations.

Thanks.

What are the differences in legal rights in regard to adoption, step-parent adoption, death benefits, family leave, etc?

Are these also all equal across the board in the US?

None of those are rights issues. Domestic adoption in the US is a very discriminatory exercise, one in which the birth mother gets to choose based on basically any arbitrary criteria she wants who gets to adopt her baby. Of course that makes perfect sense, but it can leave gay couples, atheists, and poor people out in the cold. I wouldn't support any legislation that infringes her rights in that case though. I think what you might be asking with this is whether US law requires that an adoption by a gay couple be recognized by the state. The answer is, it is illegal for states to refuse to recognize same-sex adoptions. This has pushed discrimination against same-sex couples adopting into the weeds where it is closer to being a legitimate position. In some states, the lines are being blurred as to whether it is the state that prohibits same-sex adoption or the adoption agency. If it's the adoption agency, it would be a violation of rights to tell them they have to do otherwise.

 

[huskeR32]

However, there are many issues with LGBT culture and LGBT "activists". They keep telling us that gay people in America are "oppressed" or have "less rights" than heterosexuals, but that's absolutely not true. This is 2017, where gay people are treated the same, paid the same, and have the same exact rights as their straight counterparts. And no, no one is trying to take away gay rights.

Unless a gay person is applying to get a job at Hobby Lobby or some other conservative Christian or Islamic business, chances are they will not be discriminated.

They're treated exactly the same? Or they are actively discriminated against?

Which is it? Can't be both.

And no, no one is trying to take away gay rights.

The ACLU counted over 200 so-called "religious freedom" bills introduced in state legislatures in 2016, many of them explicitly aimed at same-sex marriage and/or transgender rights.

 

[Sage Ages]

Still, even in states where LGBT people do not have employment protection, doesn't mean that they can't get or maintain jobs.

That doesn't make it not an issue.

And no, no one is trying to take away gay rights.

 

[Turbo]

Have any evidence to back that claim up?

 

[UKMikey]

Have any evidence to back that claim up?

What claim? I didn't think emojis required evidence. Perhaps take a look at the post above his which also addresses your comment.

 

[Beeblebrox237]

Have any evidence to back that claim up?

https://www.aclu.org/other/past-lgb...d-anti-lgbt-bills-across-country#harmfulbills

 

[Daniel]

However, there are many issues with LGBT culture and LGBT "activists". They keep telling us that gay people in America are "oppressed" or have "less rights" than heterosexuals, but that's absolutely not true.

To ever so eloquently quote @Custom878... ""

This is 2017, where gay people are treated the same, paid the same, and have the same exact rights as their straight counterparts.

I was going to try and debunk each line but it didn't really work so I'll just do a write-up instead. Since we're in the homosexuality thread instead of the transgender thread, I'll ignore recent 'bathroom bills' and the ban of trans troops and focus on recent political events, laws, opposition and hate crimes on just gay, lesbian and bisexual, however queer rights do tend to lump sexuality and gender identity together so I might mention trans rights together.

LGB rights are only very recently improving in America. Gay marriage was instated two years ago and it was close to be not being instated at all. The ruling was not unanimous and it could very well have been 5-4 in the opposite direction, leaving same-sex marriage to still be legal in some states, rather than being legal federally. Don't Ask, Don't Tell was also recently repealed. Only in 2010 did it become legal to be openly queer in the military. Prior to this if you outed yourself (or got outed by somebody else) then you would have been kicked out. Hell, it wasn't until 2003 that the SCOTUS ruled sodomy laws unconstitutional in states that didn't already repeal it.

And then we have discrimination that still exists both in and out of legislation including conversion therapy, forms of workplace discrimination and, of course, hate crimes.

Conversion therapy is not federally banned, and only some cities and states is it banned for minors. Meaning it is legal in some states for parents to forcefully send their children to 'pray the gay away' therapy or camps which have a profoundly negative effect. The American Psychological Association concluded in 2009 that sexual orientation change efforts "are unlikely to be successful and involve some risk of harm."

The Williams Institute at UCLA concluded in a 2011 study that 'out' queer people experience higher discrimination than those who are not out. Some of this discrimination includes harassment, workplace bullying, negative performance reviews and even lower pay gaps. Title VII of the Civil Rights Act 1964 can be interpreted in such a way that prohibits sexual orientation discrimination in the workplace, however it's not explicitly stated and therefore it's still possible to be fired for being gay (example numero uno and numero dos).

And no, no one is trying to take away gay rights. It is a waste of time for gay people to march down the streets in protest, hollering about how oppressed they are and how those "privileged straight people" should do something about it, because LGBT people aren't oppressed, instead they should be grateful they have the same opportunity as straight people. If they really want to experience true oppression, ship them to basically any country under Islamic rule, where chances are they will be stoned to death.

Or, y'know, stay in America and experience the country's largest terrorist attack since 9/11... (hint)

Or be the group that's more likely to be targeted for hate crimes than any other minority group. But nope. We're treated exactly the same because it's [current year].


If you think that pride is simply celebrating as being 'heros' or 'more special than straights' then you've sorely missed the point of Pride.

Pride parades exist to tell that one kid stuck in the closet in a homophobic household that it is okay to be queer. It's saying "you're not alone in this. We were bullied too, we were harrassed and called names at school and we got through it and we can still celebrate being different because being different is not a bad thing."

Pride celebrates the progress that has been made over the years. I'll remind you again that queer rights and activism is still very recent in the States. It's celebrating being able to get through the adversity and oppression and queerphobia that still exists to this day.

 

[Com Fox]

I never got this idea of oppression and trying to prove your oppressed. What if you are? You are disadvantage in opportunity and it needs to be change? Sure I agree to that and will support you if you are treated unfairly because of what you are and just want equal opportunity

but when some people (not all as I'm well aware) use oppression as a right to make their opinions valid than people who "aren't as oppressed" or feel like they're entitled because they want advantages to make the results look equal, I can't go and support that person.

I feel like everyone suffers disadvantages in life, regardless of gender, race and sexuality (though the democratic for White Hetero Males is mainly that their opinions are starting to become invalid just because of they are White Hetero Males and any support groups for those that are struggling hardly ever surface) and no matter how much it gets better, there will still be critics on your identity which will be impossible to control. It depends a lot on the individual and where they grow up. For example, I'm an Non-sexual (or Asexual), my experience is odd to say the least, mainly because apparently my stance on either being LGB and Hetero/norm is debatable from my experience, however another Non-sexual might have a different experience and are welcome by the LGB community. What I'm trying to get is that peoples experience with oppression is different depending on your experience, you can't go through the same oppression or privileges just becaused you in the same identity group as what applies for one person might be different for another.

As for days or months that involve around Pride, it's none of by business, as long as you don't use it as an excuse to get out things like work or livelihoods, go ahead, I won't complain.




Anyhow, Australia is going through a mandatory survey about legalization Gay marriage in Australia which I think starts this month. This will actually be the first time I get to vote. It'll be interesting to see if Australia follows other countries as it has been relatively slow on the idea of gay marriage.

 

[Pete05]

I never got this idea of oppression and trying to prove your oppressed. What if you are? You are disadvantage in opportunity and it needs to be change? Sure I agree to that and will support you if you are treated unfairly because of what you are and just want equal opportunity

but when some people (not all as I'm well aware) use oppression as a right to make their opinions valid than people who "aren't as oppressed" or feel like they're entitled because they want advantages to make the results look equal, I can't go and support that person.

I feel like everyone suffers disadvantages in life, regardless of gender, race and sexuality (though the democratic for White Hetero Males is mainly that their opinions are starting to become invalid just because of they are White Hetero Males and any support groups for those that are struggling hardly ever surface) and no matter how much it gets better, there will still be critics on your identity which will be impossible to control. It depends a lot on the individual and where they grow up. For example, I'm an Non-sexual (or Asexual), my experience is odd to say the least, mainly because apparently my stance on either being LGB and Hetero/norm is debatable from my experience, however another Non-sexual might have a different experience and are welcome by the LGB community. What I'm trying to get is that peoples experience with oppression is different depending on your experience, you can't go through the same oppression or privileges just becaused you in the same identity group as what applies for one person might be different for another.

As for days or months that involve around Pride, it's none of by business, as long as you don't use it as an excuse to get out things like work or livelihoods, go ahead, I won't complain.




Anyhow, Australia is going through a mandatory survey about legalization Gay marriage in Australia which I think starts this month. This will actually be the first time I get to vote. It'll be interesting to see if Australia follows other countries as it has been relatively slow on the idea of gay marriage.

I'd like to add that the postal vote you mentioned in Australia regarding the legislation, a population of less than 25 million people, is budget forecast to cost $122 million!

All because our politicians couldn't agree which way to make a common sense decision

 

[Com Fox]

I'd like to add that the postal vote you mentioned in Australia regarding the legislation, a population of less than 25 million people, is budget forecast to cost $122 million!

All because our politicians couldn't agree which way to make a common sense decision

I don't like it as much as the next guy but I understand why though, I mean we're supposed to live in a Democratic society so leaving it to the Democratic process fits with the theme.

 

[Danoff]

I don't like it as much as the next guy but I understand why though, I mean we're supposed to live in a Democratic society so leaving it to the Democratic process fits with the theme.

...except for the part where it makes no sense to ask the majority whether they think the minority should have rights.

 

[Com Fox]

...except for the part where it makes no sense to ask the majority whether they think the minority should have rights.

Problem I have with just making legal without any process is a idea of laws being dictated just because to us it makes the most sense, as much as I'm for it rights for marriage. People here already have problems with the 2 parties changing leaders without our involvement.

I agree they should have rights to marriage, that's why I'm gonna vote yes but don't forget we also have rights to our own individual opinions and ideas and should be able to express them.

 

[Danoff]

Problem I have with just making legal without any process is a idea of laws being dictated just because to us it makes the most sense, as much as I'm for it rights for marriage. People here already have problems with the 2 parties changing leaders without our involvement.

I agree they should have rights to marriage, that's why I'm gonna vote yes but don't forget we also have rights to our own individual opinions and ideas and should be able to express them.

Yup, you have rights to your own individual opinions and should be able to express them, right up until you tell someone they can't legally marry. At that point your rights end and theirs begin, because you're telling the government to apply law (force) unequally. In the US, we didn't vote on it. It was just recognized as a human right enumerated in the constitution by the supreme court. That makes a whole lot more sense to me.

 

[Pete05]

The Australian decision process is absolutely ridiculous.
We went to the last election with both parties promising they would pass laws to allow same sex marriage.

It would've been a simple solution to add a question to the ballot paper asking the Australian public exactly that: do you agree or not.

Instead we're about to spend $122 million on it - money we can't afford. Proof the idiots are running the asylum.