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The Homosexuality Discussion Thread
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Joel
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So do you guys think a gay person would be ok with having to ask their partner to "civil union" them?
Get down on one knee with a ring, "will you civil union me?"
...Right.
It's a red herring, makes the argument for the rights of gay people turned around to make fundamentalist religious folk look like the victim.
Get down on one knee with a ring, "will you civil union me?"
...Right.
It's a red herring, makes the argument for the rights of gay people turned around to make fundamentalist religious folk look like the victim.
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Put your Rod away, Dan.
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It's not my rod you need to be worried about. It's my jane and freddie you'll want to be watching out for
...i don't even know what that means.
Strange thing to call your wrecking balls...
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The two aren't mutually exclusive. If homosexuals didn't exist, neither would homophobia.
Not necessarily physical attacks, although that is a distinct possibility, but think about the various forms of situations that arise amongst children on school grounds, or the occational neighbourhood setting.
There's no way to child proof the world, especially todays world of technology. So, moving would not make any significant difference. A gradual introduction and enlightenment of the children is a better option, they won't be able to avoid it for too long.
That's the nature of things in todays world, timing is everything.
Regards.
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I hope your kids don't turn out to be homosexual.
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By that time they should be able to make their own decisions don't you think? I am assuming you mean they're about to go out in the world on their own? I just don't want them caught up in things that have no bearing on their lives presently. It's all about being a child for now.
So what is there to hope for? If they do, they do, if they don't, they don't.
Tween pregnancy exists? Right? Yet, no parent is comfortable with the idea of a ten year old girl/boy being a parent at such a tender age. And will take necessary steps to avoid this situation. I hope you see where I'm going with this?
Regards.
So what is there to hope for? If they do, they do, if they don't, they don't.
Tween pregnancy exists? Right? Yet, no parent is comfortable with the idea of a ten year old girl/boy being a parent at such a tender age. And will take necessary steps to avoid this situation. I hope you see where I'm going with this?
Regards.
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Why do governments have any hand in marriage whatsoever? It is a social and financial contract between two people. If government weren't dipping their grubby hands in it this would not be an issue.That's kind of the same thing with gay marriage. I've always felt that if there were a new term for it (Union, partnership, whatever) then people might not attach such a stigma to it. For some reason people like to get into a big huff over the term "marriage."But then, who knows? People are always going to be irrational because they always have. I do believe gay marriage should be legalized here in the United States and I also believe thatit will be... eventually.
Bold Prediction: It will come through a Supreme Court ruling (a'la Brown v Board of Education).
Sounds like the community you live in is a far larger problem than the decision to use a rainbow for symbolism. I say that having been to a "commitment Ceremony" (I just call it a wedding) between two women in a church. My wife and I are trying to encourage our daughter to enjoy the cartoons and shows we enjoyed as kids, which means that she will be familiar with Rainbow Bright(sp?) and Reading Rainbow.
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Atleast it's not even remotely close to the community/country I grew up in. Which according to the Humane Society is one of, if not, the most Homophobic environment on the planet.
Each region of the world is gradually facing it or passed that point, where understanding and exposure is promoting a livable environment for all parties involved.
They (my children) are exposed to aspects of the situation in general. They're just not involved or pressured, to have to argue/choose a stance or delve into their inner sexuality, just yet.
The hope on my part is that they'll be confronted with it at a point where they'll have sufficient tools/resources to make an appropriate choice/understanding they're comfortable with.
Regards.
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For my part I intend for it to be a discussion we have around the same time we discuss sex and relationships. I doubt seeing a gay couple or something will be too confusing in a world where TV shows have featured multiple same-sex, single, straight people raising a child/children, like Full House or Two and a Half Men. But if someone were to cause a problem for my daughter simply because she thought rainbows were fun I would be giving them problems.
As my cousin is in a committed lesbian
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The wife and myself started that discussion with them at around 4 going 5 yrs of age. It has been ongoing ever since, each a little more informative than the last. I figure it will be ongoing for a while yet.
They're not yet into sitcoms (they find them boring for now), still doing the super-hero, martial arts, automotive scene, action ooo aahhh visual effects thing, etc.
My sister inlaw is homosexual (lesbian), not married, joined, a la whatever. The children interact with her and her partner all the time. However they're not as flambouyant with their activities as some couples are, with the whole rainbow symbol all over the place or blasting their sexuality in an exagerated way.
So as far as the children are concerned, they just seem as a couple who love each others company. They haven't really expressed any sense of confusion or curiosity in that area, well not yet anyway.
It's bound to show up eventually, and I do believe the wife and I are already setting the stage for the open curtain discussion on this subject. We'll see if the house comes down in applause or boos. Either way, the expected outcome for us is that the children are comfortable at the time of curtain call.
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I don't really think a homosexual is a sin, something that needs cured, or whatever. What I think is that people have the choice to live how they want. No-one should be able to just intervene and say "Sorry, but you're not allowed to do that or be like that any more." People have free will, and homosexuality isn't against the law.
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Looking at it slightly differently. . .
It's very strange how complicated this has become. When I was a child, we were all taught that being gay meant men loved men, or women loved women. We weren't inundated with notions about free will, rights, whether it was "natural" or not; that's just what it was: that man loved that man. That woman loves that woman. Period. No questions asked.
The next step was obvious.
It's very strange how complicated this has become. When I was a child, we were all taught that being gay meant men loved men, or women loved women. We weren't inundated with notions about free will, rights, whether it was "natural" or not; that's just what it was: that man loved that man. That woman loves that woman. Period. No questions asked.
The next step was obvious.
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God had the tree of knowledge and told Adam and eve not to eat from it because god needed and needs to give us a choice in all things. He wants our love and for us to believe and accept his gift of forgiveness to bring us to heaven and make us perfect. We have to choose. God won't force himself or his ways on anyone. He loves us too much. So the tree was there because we have to have a choice. I dunno the exact reason or all of it, but he has to let us choose.
Anyway not to start another bible god argument.
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Well I hope that you never ever talk about your wife or girlfriend or any feeling of attraction to a woman. Because if you do, you're a huge hypocrite, and all of your credibility is shattered.
You don't have a right to never be offended, or never feel uncomfortable. If it makes you feel uncomfortable to see two men or two women kissing, too bad for you. You don't have a right not to feel uncomfortable every now and then. So grow up, and ignore it if you see gay people in public. Just to add to what I've been saying, I personally find what some of the straight couples do at school in front of the lockers more disgusting than two men or two women kissing or holding hands.
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The point I'm making is that you wish they didn't pick the rainbow symbol because children like rainbows. I'm saying that many people vote against the legalization of gay marriage solely because of the term "marriage."
You're saying that you wouldn't have a problem if the homosexual community just chose a different symbol/color. I'm saying that another group wouldn't have a problem if the homosexual community chose a different term besides marriage.
They are similar in that they are both superficial. Sorry for the confusion. I didn't mean to "equate" them.
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How does "Will you be my life partner?" sound?
Actually, I think it exposes the point that marriage doesn't need to be a government institution in the first place. Ask yourself: what does marriage mean?
- Two people love each other so much they want to live together for the rest of their lives.
- They want to share each others' money and do everything as a pair.
- They want to be able to make medical decisions on each others' behalf in an emergency.
- They don't want to have sex with anyone but each other until they die.
- Some want to have children together.
Want to make this official? Have a ceremony (a religious one if you wish - but you have to follow their rules as well as the ones you agreed upon). Want to make it legally binding? Draft an agreement by way of an attorney.
Why does the government need to be involved in this again?
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+1:tup:
Put it this way: If people Really wanted to do something about homosexuality, there would be riots, protests, and other horrible things
to stop it.And since that isn't happening, I think that it's well recieved. Those who get mad over that sort of thing are just H8ters! (Thankfully there aren't many of those!)
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I am completely OK with the sexual orientation people choose to have. I have thought about how if homosexuality were to become something excessive it could endager the human race, but in the conditions we are right now, this is nowhere near happening. Actually, I think it is a good thing since these couples have to adopt their children, which gives them a good home and a chance for a better life.
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Historically we've seen churches act as toll-booths that taxed sinners rather than as the idealistic figureheads that one might hope for. To prove the threat of sin it was necessary to maintain the Church view of science - and that's based in very old word-of-mouth storytelling that represents a social view of a thousand or more years ago.
Homosexual sodomy features in the Christian Bible and is portrayed as both a natural activity and a sin... this (along with views on the place of women in society) has been the cause of much schism.
I hate the title of this thread - homosexuality is neither a serious problem OR an alternative lifestyle... to be 'alternative' would presume the 'normality' of another lifestyle.
You're gay, or you're not. Some people spend too much time worrying about what other people are doing in private. Get over it.
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