The Human Comedy 8 - Gr.3 Lake Maggiore

[Antezz]

Id love to get close to a 1.57 haha.

Phased back into GT7 on a break from other games and jumped on these endurance races like a shot. I managed to gold most first time out and only a couple forced one re-take… however….. this one is a total pain in the ass….

I prefer oversteer massively in these gr3 cars and this track is a total tyre muncher so I’ve been trying the Peugeot out (lunches front tyres, understeers like a mofo) and I’ve gone through the corvette, Mazda vison, Audi so far and even balls out I cannot lap below 1:59 in anything.

I read the recent updates affected handling so I’m not sure if it’s me just not being used to it or what but it feels strange the other races were so easy yet this is mega ….

Will keep plodding on, RSR next and then I’ll have to try and buy a grippy as **** , less understeery car and blast it…

Keep me upto date please. I brought so many cars people recommend and set ups and nothing works. Any car that is stable to drive and does not eat the tyres is simply to slow, especially on the fast sections then get a fast car for the fast sections and I'm watching paint dry speed in the corners. Best lap I got was a 2.00.599 in the Mazda which was great to drive and easy on tyres and finished 13th but a lap down from the leader because I couldn't get any speed on the straight sections.

I'm giving it a break for a few days, going to do the Mazda mx5 touring car endurance and then the BAC Mono endurance. Just need to look at set ups and strategies.

Id love to get close to a 1.57 haha.

Phased back into GT7 on a break from other games and jumped on these endurance races like a shot. I managed to gold most first time out and only a couple forced one re-take… however….. this one is a total pain in the ass….

I prefer oversteer massively in these gr3 cars and this track is a total tyre muncher so I’ve been trying the Peugeot out (lunches front tyres, understeers like a mofo) and I’ve gone through the corvette, Mazda vison, Audi so far and even balls out I cannot lap below 1:59 in anything.

I read the recent updates affected handling so I’m not sure if it’s me just not being used to it or what but it feels strange the other races were so easy yet this is mega ….

Will keep plodding on, RSR next and then I’ll have to try and buy a grippy as **** , less understeery car and blast it…

Keep me upto date please. I brought so many cars people recommend and set ups and nothing works. Any car that is stable to drive and does not eat the tyres is simply to slow, especially on the fast sections then get a fast car for the fast sections and I'm watching paint dry speed in the corners. Best lap I got was a 2.00.599 in the Mazda which was great to drive and easy on tyres and finished 13th but a lap down from the leader because I couldn't get any speed on the straight sections.

I'm giving it a break for a few days, going to do the Mazda mx5 touring car endurance and then the BAC Mono endurance. Just need to look at set ups and strategies

To me the Subaru BRZ felt like the best car in terms of cornering, with no real downside to brag about.
It just isnt as fast on the straights as the actually fast cars and stays with the same average as most of the lot.
Most of them will reach around 260km/h without draft and 270km/h with draft, the fast ones add +10km/h.

Maybe I'll see about buying the Subaru and see what I can do in that. Any hints on strategies or set up? Thanks

 

[RacinLei]

2 stop Medium full blast 🦾
But dont overdrive the rear tires, It is easyer to overdrive the car after the patch. A bit more carefull and straight in the breaking zones.
You can also try 1 lap Hard tires and shortshift. Constant 58 low 59 job done. And dont hunt the quicklap or look for the other cars. You fight them you loose.

 

[Meythia]

Maybe I'll see about buying the Subaru and see what I can do in that. Any hints on strategies or set up? Thanks

Im always doing racing mediums, shortshifting for fuelsaving and 2 pits after 10 laps each.
Might be coincidence, but to me it seemed most cars have their sweetspot of fuel/speed shifting point at the same revs that they have at 225km/h in 5th gear, BRZ should be around 50% indicator bar I think.

But dont overdrive the rear tires, It is easyer to overdrive the car after the patch. A bit more carefull and straight in the breaking zones.

The Renault definitly isnt easy on its tyres, only both Audis and the Lambo are even worse.

 

[RacinLei]

The Renault definitly isnt easy on its tyres, only both Audis and the Lambo are even worse.

If done it with toyota and Genesis X after the patch and for me both are harder to the front tires and overall degradation. I will test more cars but the R.S.01 is not that bad. Turns good in and is relativ stable on exit.

Edit: and why shortshift with 2 stops?
2 stop you can/have to go for it!!!

 

[Meythia]

If done it with toyota and Genesis X after the patch and for me both are harder to the front tires and overall degradation. I will test more cars but the R.S.01 is not that bad. Turns good in and is relativ stable on exit.

Edit: and why shortshift with 2 stops?
2 stop you can/have to go for it!!!

I am happy to compare with someone for a more valid picture

 

[RacinLei]

@Meythia

I try to get my 31 laps back. Right now i mess it a bit specialy at the end of the tires.
Had one spin and a 2 messi laps. A bit more calm then it should work 😄

 

[Meythia]

@Meythia

I try to get my 31 laps back. Right now i mess it a bit specialy at the end of the tires.
Had one spin and a 2 messi laps. A bit more calm then it should work 😄

There is one player with 31 laps on the "meta" Supra.
Havent tested that yet, but I think with the Supra 500 I used just recently it would be possible for me (need to gain 8 seconds over those 30 laps )- with all other cars on the list I am definitly not consistent enough on my faster laps, or they dont feel right.

As for the question of "why shortshift?":
My gutfeeling is telling me that the loss of time per lap on the sweetspot of shortshifting is less than you would otherwise wait in the pits to refuel. But it simply is a habbit that I picked up in the early days of my GT7 progress, where I was on the skill-level of "how the heck can you be faster than 10th place" where I running on an empty tank very often.

Edit:
did a short test on SSRX to the 3km line with 50x fuel consumption, standing start, not releasing the throttle and restarting like this to instantly rev up with no variable reaction time, car used is the next in line for me to drive Supra '18. 2% of fuel are lost during the starting countdown
1. rev bar to the end 2. rev bar to ~75% 3. rev bar to ~50% 4. rev bar to 25%

Used Share factory to get as close as possible to the 3km line and screenshot it (the orange thing at the botton is the Share factory timestamp).
Unfortunatly I couldnt get it any more accurate like this.
Assuming the difference in consumption is divided by the fuel rate multipler but then again multiplied by the distance travelled, I feel confirmed by this test to apply my gutfeeling onto races.

 

[RacinLei]

There is one factor you forgot, more fuel consumption equals less weight equals less stress for the tires equal better average time. Both works for winning ✌🏻

 

[Antezz]

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2 stop Medium full blast 🦾
But dont overdrive the rear tires, It is easyer to overdrive the car after the patch. A bit more carefull and straight in the breaking zones.
You can also try 1 lap Hard tires and shortshift. Constant 58 low 59 job done. And dont hunt the quicklap or look for the other cars. You fight them you loose.

I might give that a go over the weekend and see. Is that the standard RS.01 GR3 or did you give it any modifications?

 

[Meythia]

I might give that a go over the weekend and see. Is that the standard RS.01 GR3 or did you give it any modifications?

For BoP races (like in this case) you cant apply any new parts or change any settings except for the tyres you use.

 

[jlguay]

View attachment 1248691
2 stop Medium full blast 🦾
But dont overdrive the rear tires, It is easyer to overdrive the car after the patch. A bit more carefull and straight in the breaking zones.
You can also try 1 lap Hard tires and shortshift. Constant 58 low 59 job done. And dont hunt the quicklap or look for the other cars. You fight them you loose.

I've seen a lot of people winning with these times, something is wrong with my game since Rubilar is doing high 56/57 low ALL the race and Fraga in the end doing mid 56, wtf is going on why my AI is being impersonated with esports pros?

 

[Meythia]

I've seen a lot of people winning with these times, something is wrong with my game since Rubilar is doing high 56/57 low ALL the race and Fraga in the end doing mid 56, wtf is going on why my AI is being impersonated with esports pros?

With the current update I have driven this race more than 40 times and never was the AI faster than 1h40s.
This was already a rare outline, in most cases the AI is slower than 1h50s.

It doesnt matter what the fastest lap time is, as these are usually achieved with a huge amount of drafting for the AI, and you shouldnt care about it and simply put all attention to doing clean laps on your own.

Dont ever worry about AI-Yamanak, he will pull ahead with his current over-the-top car, but will always take 3 pits and never see the podium.

And for the competition with most presence: as long as you can get ahead of AI-Rubilar before his first or second pit, you can bait him into passing and crashing at 2 spots of the track.
This will not make him that much slower, if he ever was able to keep up to you, but if you do it 2-3 times, it will make him pit early and maybe even take one pit more in total and totally ruin his pace.

But maybe the difficulty bug is still present, so setting it to hard actually makes it easier in this case.

 

[Pesselles]

But maybe the difficulty bug is still present, so setting it to hard actually makes it easier in this case.

I'll let you know if it does the trick.

But your advices about the others cars is very valuable in this context because in my case, I was more focus on their laps than mines... I'll try to race it this afternoon with the only objective to drive as clean as possible ans we'll see how it goes.

 

[jlguay]

With the current update I have driven this race more than 40 times and never was the AI faster than 1h40s.
This was already a rare outline, in most cases the AI is slower than 1h50s.

It doesnt matter what the fastest lap time is, as these are usually achieved with a huge amount of drafting for the AI, and you shouldnt care about it and simply put all attention to doing clean laps on your own.

Dont ever worry about AI-Yamanak, he will pull ahead with his current over-the-top car, but will always take 3 pits and never see the podium.

And for the competition with most presence: as long as you can get ahead of AI-Rubilar before his first or second pit, you can bait him into passing and crashing at 2 spots of the track.
This will not make him that much slower, if he ever was able to keep up to you, but if you do it 2-3 times, it will make him pit early and maybe even take one pit more in total and totally ruin his pace.

But maybe the difficulty bug is still present, so setting it to hard actually makes it easier in this case.

Never thought I could bait him to try overtake and crash, I tried crashing into him to send him to the dirt on the hairpin. So in the turn 1 and the hairpin I can bait him so he doesnt brake and end up outside the track? I can only think of doing that, my AI win even when I'm doing 58s all the race without mistakes

 

[Meythia]

Never thought I could bait him to try overtake and crash, I tried crashing into him to send him to the dirt on the hairpin. So in the turn 1 and the hairpin I can bait him so he doesnt brake and end up outside the track? I can only think of doing that, my AI win even when I'm doing 58s all the race without mistakes

It is not, that he will not brake at all, but totally miss it instead. Be careful for the dirty re-entry though.

T1


Banked hairpin

 

[jlguay]

It is not, that he will not brake at all, but totally miss it instead. Be careful for the dirty re-entry though.

It's a good "exploit" if u can do it consistently, because u don't even lose almost any time, I'll try to get ahead him fast and do those tricks, thanks!

 

[Meythia]

So, of all cars, for me this currently was the fastest one.
Though I think I can push the Supra GT500 a bit more a bit easier than the Beetle.

Only 1 missing until the McLaren F1 is available on the LCD again.

 

[K1ng_jay_85]

Update:

I tried the RSR but without be able to tune the power understeer out of it I just either ended up melting tyres at 1:58.8 or saving tyres at 2:00:00…. Binned that off.

Tried the Subaru and oooh boy does that eat tyres with me at the wheel, I had to pit 3 laps earlier than any other car….


I then went back to the Peugeot and messed around with starting tyres, I went RM front and RH rear to try and dial out the understeer and it worked a bit. I managed a 2 stop race with pits at 20 mins each and finished 5th, 29 secs off the lead, however…. I had 2 massive accidents just before me second stop which I reckon cost me well over 20 secs in total and I struggled to maintain 1:59 at the start of the race but by the end I was managing 1:58.5’s

Fatigue caught up with me in the end so knocked it on the head but I’ll return for another go in the Peugeot and if that doesn’t go well I’ll try a different strategy.

 

[Pesselles]

@Meythia : I've setup to hard level, it doesn't change anything. I'll try to race tomorrow with the AMG and let you know

 

[jlguay]

It is not, that he will not brake at all, but totally miss it instead. Be careful for the dirty re-entry though.

Oh God, I did it. After 3 weeks doing the mission on broken G29 pedals, today I made them work at least for the race and I won... I got the pace to race with Rubilar an I was defending like a lion, made him brake late and go outside the track and I got a lot of luck because he got a lot of traffic and in the end he had to pit in the last lap (I was ahead by 2 seconds).

A little advice for everyone, if u have flickering in G29 pedals start to save to buy another set because it will go worse and it made me lose 1s because the throttle was going up and down like crazy making me spin the wheels but I didn't know until I got them working...what a hell of a ride I need a rest from gt7, I lost 20 hours repairing the pedals (they won't work again soon).

Thanks @Meythia for the help, u should try iracing your pace is so good!

 

[Antezz]

View attachment 1248691
2 stop Medium full blast 🦾
But dont overdrive the rear tires, It is easyer to overdrive the car after the patch. A bit more carefull and straight in the breaking zones.
You can also try 1 lap Hard tires and shortshift. Constant 58 low 59 job done. And dont hunt the quicklap or look for the other cars. You fight them you loose.

Just driving the RS01 GR3 and it will only do a 2:05.095 at best on RM and on lap 6 I'm stone dead last. N. Rabilar is doing 1:57.590 FL. How can I compete against that, already +47.058 with no sign of the pace getting any better.

 

[Pesselles]

Just driving the RS01 GR3 and it will only do a 2:05.095 at best on RM and on lap 6 I'm stone dead last. N. Rabilar is doing 1:57.590 FL. How can I compete against that, already +47.058 with no sign of the pace getting any better.

As I'm in the same situation as you, here is what I've done so far to improve my driving skills on this fu**** race.

- I've silvered all the track experience with the Alfa Romeo 8C. I plan to make it gold soon.

- On Lake Maggiore track, I've tested differents Gr.3 cars to find the best for me: 911 RSR, Nissan GT-R, Toyota Supra, Subaru, Mercedes AMG '16. For now, the AMG was the fastest but also the more comfortable to me (and I ♥ her sound). I'll test the VW Bettle Gr.3 based on @Meythia advice

- I've drove tens of laps with the AMG with the same parameters as the 1 hour mission (downsize to 505 hp) and raced against others AI cars on the Lake Maggiore GR.3 5 laps race.

With all this, I'm still a bit far from the leaders but I'm getting closer (best score for now is 7th at 45 secs from the winner). My laps are better - I can drive below 1:59 with the AMG - but I still lack consistency to make a win.

Hope it helps.


ps: I play with the controller DualShock and in automatic mode.

 

[Antezz]

Just driving the RS01 GR3 and it will only do a 2:05.095 at best on RM and on lap 6 I'm stone dead last. N. Rabilar is doing 1:57.590 FL. How can I compete against that, already +47.058 with no sign of the pace getting any better.

Got to lap 14 tyres all red, last two laps 2:06.179 and 783. Fuel 6%. FL V. Gallo 1:57.561 and +1:17 off the lead. 30:33 left to race....... such a waste of time again.

As I'm in the same situation as you, here is what I've done so far to improve my driving skills on this fu**** race.

- I've silvered all the track experience with the Alfa Romeo 8C. I plan to make it gold soon.

- On Lake Maggiore track, I've tested differents Gr.3 cars to find the best for me: 911 RSR, Nissan GT-R, Toyota Supra, Subaru, Mercedes AMG '16. For now, the AMG was the fastest but also the more comfortable to me (and I ♥ her sound). I'll test the VW Bettle Gr.3 based on @Meythia advice

- I've drove tens of laps with the AMG with the same parameters as the 1 hour mission (downsize to 505 hp) and raced against others AI cars on the Lake Maggiore GR.3 5 laps race.

With all this, I'm still a bit far from the leaders but I'm getting closer (best score for now is 7th at 45 secs from the winner). My laps are better - I can drive below 1:59 with the AMG - but I still lack consistency to make a win.

Hope it helps.


ps: I play with the controller DualShock and in automatic mode.

Great advice. Which AMG? As you might see there im getting worse. Driving the RS01 and I'm running last. I to drive with the Dualshock controller and in auto

 

[Pesselles]

Great advice. Which AMG? As you might see there im getting worse. Driving the RS01 and I'm running last. I to drive with the Dualshock controller and in auto

This is the Mercedes AMG GT3 '16 (worth Cr. 450.000 in Brand central).

All my car tests were made in the 'Lake Maggiore 5 laps' race with the same configuration as the 1 hour mission (horsepower, race tyres, etc).

 

[Meythia]

Got to lap 14 tyres all red, last two laps 2:06.179 and 783. Fuel 6%. FL V. Gallo 1:57.561 and +1:17 off the lead. 30:33 left to race....... such a waste of time again.

With mediums you should do 2 stops, otherwise you will lose time on the slippy tyres.
If you want to do 1 stop, there is hard tyres.
I cant really tell about the time difference, I dont like the feel of driving on hards.

 

[Antezz]

With mediums you should do 2 stops, otherwise you will lose time on the slippy tyres.
If you want to do 1 stop, there is hard tyres.
I cant really tell about the time difference, I dont like the feel of driving on hards.

2 stopped and finished 16th there now in the RS01. Got faster in the second and last stint. Think I'll look at the AMG and see how that goes. After that think I'll give up

 

[ROCKET JOE]

... Think I'll look at the AMG and see how that goes. After that think I'll give up

No offense meant, mate, not at all, but I doubt whether this is the way to go. You hopped from one car into the next basically making the car responsible for your success. Why don't you stick to one, one that's been recommended here and that you feel comfortable with ...
and then improve your performance.
Many of these cars are capable to win this race and it's not only the car that "should work", it's you.

 

[K1ng_jay_85]

Tried the RS01 on the one stop strat from a vid in YT and I did much better. The AI beat the **** out of me toward the end of each stint though, they just dive bomb you and give you no way out. I lost 11 secs to a dive bomb out of the final turn…. I wouldn’t have won (which calmed me down a bit) but maybe I’d be in with a chance as the spin dropped me into battles with 3 stoppers on a rampage….

Note that the RS01 is a nightmare out of the banked hairpin, I switched on Stability control to see if it helped but it just slows you down.

I averaged about 2:00:00 per lap in the end minus the pit in and out etc. feeling like this is doable more on this strategy as the 2 stop requires blistering pace.

 

[Meythia]

Note that the RS01 is a nightmare out of the banked hairpin, I switched on Stability control to see if it helped but it just slows you down.

If you are playing with manual transmission: use a higher gear.
Elsewise: need to adept to apply less throttle as long as your steering input is more than 50%.

 

[Antezz]

No offense meant, mate, not at all, but I doubt whether this is the way to go. You hopped from one car into the next basically making the car responsible for your success. Why don't you stick to one, one that's been recommended here and that you feel comfortable with ...
and then improve your performance.
Many of these cars are capable to win this race and it's not only the car that "should work", it's you.

Life is to short. Its a game not a way of life unreal lap times against a AI that is set to make the experience as unrealistic as possible. I play to relax and have always enjoyed all GT games but I'm old enough to say no sorry, no enjoyment to this and I'm not trying to be the next GT academy driver so yes offence taken. Improve my performance implys I can sit and waste hours at a time..... well again life is to short.