The Human Comedy 8 - Gr.3 Lake Maggiore

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I golden everything but mission 8 human comedy looks impossible so far.

I tried and failed lots of times but no win. I finished about 5 times, 12 is the best I managed so far. The problem is not I'm not fast enough 1:57 -1:58 is my times on RM, and about 1:59 on RH tyres, the problem is the A.I is not there to race you but to hit you or block you, so you make big mistake. They even hit each other during the race but they seem on rails, even when they go off the track.

I don't moan... just share my experience.
 
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Sophy is not in GT7.
It is also very odd how the AI can drive the Supra and GT3 Endurance faster than you.
I tried them both and I found them slower than the Z4 before 1.13
 
A joke!!!!
Using M6, on easy difficulty. Runing CONSTANT 57s and I can NOT gain more than 2 tenths per lap on GR Supra!

How is this possible!?!

Also, I have FL.
You don't need to race the Supra, just ignore it. Look at the race result screens people have posted, it's nowhere. All you'll accomplish by chasing that down from the start is prematurely wearing your tyres and compromising your overall race time when they wear out.

Focus on finishing ahead of the M6 and AMG. Your lap times suggest that's easily doable if you can maintain that pace, but keep in mind tyre wear and race strategy. Averaging 1:58.5 should be fine, it was before the update at least.
 
For me the biggest problem is maintaining 58s on bad tires, something which is not possible for me.
If I'm on fresh rubber I can consistently lap 56/57, even then I'm not gaining as much as I'd like. But once rubber starts going bad (somewhere around lap 8) my lap times deteriorate and I lose my lead (lap times on bad tires can easily go into 2:00+). After the pit I can, again, run even better times due to less fuel weight, however once tires start deteriorating I can not maintain the pace as is neccessary, at least not on a pad.

As for supra, I posted it here. Consistent 57s yet I gain about .2 per lap on it. And I have the FL. That means the AI is running either low 58s or high 57s (I'm talking about supra, M6 runs the fastest laps, on low fuel it can consistently run mid to low 56s).

Therefore I won't be attempting this anymore, the event requires skill which I am not able to provide with the time I get to play. And I will wait for the patch (I won't make the same mistake as I did with circuit experiences where I golded everything before 1.13).


Focus on finishing ahead of the M6 and AMG. Your lap times suggest that's easily doable if you can maintain that pace, but keep in mind tyre wear and race strategy. Averaging 1:58.5 should be fine, it was before the update at least.
The problem is following - I once tried that what you said, and what everyone thinks and then I finished P6, 2s behind M6 (understandable), ahead of AMG in P7 but behind NSX, WRX, RX and Hurracan. How you ask? Simple, they didn't pit. So there's no pattern at all, you may focus on M6 and then that happens.

I only focus on P1, if the race was 30min it'd be a walk in the park.
 
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I watched the replay partwise from beauvois view and oh lord. Tractioncontrolle on but blinks pretty rare,
the stability assist blinks on and off close before and after pitstop.
When u watch it it looks like a topsplitracer.
That must be a testrun for Sophy.
Way to perfect not one single flaw exept for getting a bit stuck wile overtaking.

The lizenz demo runAi looks like a beginner against what i have seen in maggiore.
 
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i've played it with peugeot rc-z...i had a lap time of best 1:57:2xx min.but BMW Z4 seems to be quite quicker

i startet with medium tires, and closed up early till 4th - 6th position in the first lap with a gap of 3-4 sec to first place after the first lap.

i was at the same time in box as the first position. BUT as you should only drive 8-9 laps with medium tires, i filled gas up just only for 8-9 laps. which means, i was early out of the box as the 1st place. dont bother the cars pass you by as they have to go to box too.
just close up and drive safe. 2nd box was after 8-9 rounds, fill up for same amount of rounds. you should watch for your tires, if you are losing time.than its best you go in at that lap frame for 8-9 laps. the last box was very important as you have to fill up full. you might need to switch power while you drive as you will have approx.15min till the race ends and gas for 5-7laps

Start Medium
1st box : Medium - 9 laps
2nd box: Medium - 9 laps
3rd box: Medium - 12 laps

if you play easy and smooth with no penalties or crash, you might win the race.it depends to your laptimes too. it is a high concentration race with high tension of AI. they wont let you pass. you will get them ONLY at the corners or schickanes and by using slipstream
 
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I'm not quite sure about that but my last try, last night. The A.I pitted at 10 lap it looked ok, but then at the 20 lap I think they pitted just to change tires, no fuel. They made some very fast pit stops. Some pitted at lap 22 - same story, super fast stops. They kept their advance in time no matter I was doing 1:59 on RH tires. with 1 stop strategy at lap 15.

I started to wonder if I'm too bad or just this race is broken in some way....
 
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I'm not quite sure about that but my last try, last night. The A.I pitted at 10 lap it looked ok, but then at the 20 lap I think they pitted just to change tires, no fuel. They made some very fast pit stops. Some pitted at lap 22 - same story, super fast stops. They kept their advance in time no matter I was doing 1:59 on RH tires. with 1 stop strategy at lap 15.

I started to wonder if I'm too bad or just this race is broken in some way....
i have tried this race many, many times with different stragies at the box. 1 stop with hard tires... 2 stops with m+h tires etc.

best solution for me was, what i'Ve posted. with 1:59:... it will be very difficult to beat them, as they win +2 sec. each round whey they drive 1:57xx min. and you wont be aible to close this gap. the best time by my race was 1:55:xx min ! which was damn quick.
 
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@Doncarlone
Congrats 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Good to hear it worked for you. Im also on Ps5 with controller and cockpitview no drive assist ✌🏻

The diffrents between ps4 ps5 is also the reduced inputlag for the controller, way more responsive and sensitive then the dualshock.
Its not just input lag. The hyundai feels diferent in both consoles. In ps5 the car feels "lighter", more agile and you can brake later in some corners, by comparison to ps4. As for the AI it is similarly fast in both consoles but less agressive in ps4. In ps4 I could block rubilar and beavois for 5 laps even with worn out mediums. They would come near me but most of the time they would brake to avoid crash. As for ps5 if I blocked rubilar for too long he would bump me constantly, try pit manuever me, if I blocked from the inside he would try attacking from outside and viceversa, and even crash me outside of the track or to a spin. My guess is that sophy AI might be too much for the ps4 cpu to handle, so they use the gt sport AI.
 
Interesting. I won the event on PS4 Pro with wheel. If there is a real difference in driver lap time that will throw a wrench in some competitions… seems like it would be a major issue. If it’s just/mostly offline AI difference, maybe due to more CPU power devoted to AI, then not quite as big of a deal since it’s not player v player. If they ever release Sophie I wonder if it will be PS5 only?

Were you using controller or wheel
Controller in both consoles
 
I won! 3 stop strategy, FL 55 something, the craziest thing I ever did in any game, had only 2 laps 58.x.

I'll do a detailed write up so I can help if I can. I did 8 lap stints, filled up to 57% each time (58 last stint). I used DBR9.
Congrats 👍🏻👍🏻
Sounds like the Ai gets confused if u try something diffrent. Was with my weirdo 2 stopper r7/r15 and finnish the same. In that moment u are first the Ai gets faster.
 
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I have a feeling this mission got way harder since 1.13! before 1.13 the CPU would drive 2:02 in the first lap and then the fastest lap was always a 58 or 57.

now it's 2:00 for the first lap and the fastest lap is now 55 or 56

totally unbeatable for me :(
 
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Even thought i won this race with hyundai gr3, i tried many other cars and there were really good ones as well. Corvette C7, BMW Z4 and Toyota FT1vgt were the ones with the best performance with me after the hyundai.
As for Peugeot rcz, I found it a bit unstable and slow witch is weird because it felt better a few weeks ago. Was it nerfed in this last update?
 
I also think the RCZ is a bit unstable. I tried it many times with that car, but I can't really control it. Still looking for a new car to try the challenge again. But like I said I think it got harder since the new patch! I'll wait a couple of weeks and maybe this challenge gets easier
 
It got harder because the AI nails the midsector S corners. Before the patch that was the spot to gain time, now the AI runs 55‘s 56‘s easy.
 
So, here's my detailed write up in order to try to help anyone still trying to do this impossible challenge.


Do not do this challenge if you didn't gold Lake Maggiore circuit experience.

I set the difficulty to normal. I tried every difficulty and I don't think it makes any difference.

I used DS4 on PS4 Pro, so this strategy might not work on PS5.

I tried many cars (Mazda, Peugeot, Mercedes, BMW, Porsche) but in the end I settled with Aston Martin DBR9. Why is that? Since it is the only (as far as I know) car in Gr.3 class which is actually GT1 in real life. This may not mean anything since by BoP - it has less power than the M6 (539hp vs 555hp).
BoP performance of DBR9 is: 539hp | 1250kg
Handling wise - DBR9 has a tendency to understeer and it is hard on its front tires, it has loads of torque so corner exits require caution since the rear does step out in 2nd and even 3rd gear.

It is of utmost importance that you gain P1 in the first 3 laps. Lap 1 is crucial, if you laptime is higher than 2:04.000 - RESTART. In this race every second counts, so just keep perfecting that lap 1 because it is really important.
I was P3 by the end of lap 1 with a laptime of 2:03.7xx. I gained P1 in 3rd lap, laps 2 and 3 were 1:56.8 and 1:56.9.

Lap 4 was 1:57.0;
Lap 5 was 1:57.6;
Lap 6 was 1:57.9;
Lap 7 was 1:58.0;

My fuel map was 1, I settled down on a 8 lap stint strategy. During those laps my slowest time was on lap 7, my pit entry fuel was 48%, I filled it only by 8%. Pit stop duration was 25 seconds.
Pit exit lap was 1:56.2. I entered the pits in P1, exited in P9.

Lap 9 was 1:57.2, position: P6;
Lap 10 was 1:57.2, position P2 (Supra, AMG GT M6 pitted on lap 10);
Lap 11 was 1:55.8, position P1;
Lap 12 was 1:56.8;
Lap 13 was 1:57.1;
Lap 14 was 1:57.2;
Lap 15 was 1:58.7;

I pitted again on lap 16, fuel was 1%. Pit entry laptime was 1:55.x, pit stop duration was 40 seconds, Hurracan pitted with me on lap 16. Pit exit position was P4, just behind AMG GT whom I overtook easily on fresh rubber by turn 4. However - AMG GT punted me off the track at the hairpin (turn 12). I barely managed to avoid spinning out, however I lost at least 3 seconds due to this incident.
Pit exit laptime was 2:00. Position P2 (due to the aforementioned incident).

Lap 18 was 1:56.2, position P2;
Lap 19 was 1:56.5, position P1;
Lap 20 was 1:56.8;
Lap 21 was 1:57.0;
Lap 22 was 1:57.5;

This time I entered the pits on lap 23 instead of lap 24. Pit entry laptime was: 1:55, pit entry fuel was 7%. I decided to fill up to 58%. Pit stop duration was 39 seconds. Pit exit position was P1. This is the key moment in the race. If you're not P1 by the 3rd pit exit - you can restart.

What we want, in order to have a good finish to the race without much pressure is someone other than AMG or M6 in P2 by 3rd pit stop exit, that way we will have the car acting as a brake which will be aided by lapped traffic. Those things will slow AMG GT and M6 down. During my race - R.S.01 was the "buffer" car and I went from a 2 second lead upon exit from the pit lane - to a nice 12 second lead at the end of the race. Which was fantastic since I took it really easy during the final 2 laps.
Pit exit laptime was 1:57.0.

Lap 25 was 1:56.0;
Lap 26 was 1:56.0;
Lap 27 was 1:56.7 (be vary of the lapped traffic, take good care overtaking them!);
Lap 28 was 1:57.0;
Lap 29 was 1:58.5 (at this point I knew I was going to win if I didn't make any major mistakes, so I eased the pace a bit);
Final lap was 1:59.7.


In the end - I found a car which suits me, found a style which suits me (all out attack mode) and used lapped traffic to my advantage. I had only 1 major moment, during lap 17 due to AMG GT pushing me off the track in the said hairpin. Other than that - the run was without major mistakes. During this race you can not afford mistakes. You absolutely can't afford overshooting T1 or the hairpin, hence my first bolded sentence - don't attempt unless you're good and confident on this track.

I hope this helps those who are trying. I couldn't wait for the patch, this was the final thing left for me to gold. This is an insanely difficult event, but it feels good when you win.
 
This is definitely a testrun for Sophy
… no, it definitely isn’t. You just never see what the AI is capable of in any other races because their car performance is never the same as yours. The only other BOP race in the game (endurance mission 7 at RBR) has changing weather, which completely kills the AI’s race pace. Try some custom races with BOP enabled on professional difficulty and you’ll find pretty similar results to this mission.
 
So, here's my detailed write up in order to try to help anyone still trying to do this impossible challenge.


Do not do this challenge if you didn't gold Lake Maggiore circuit experience.

I set the difficulty to normal. I tried every difficulty and I don't think it makes any difference.

I used DS4 on PS4 Pro, so this strategy might not work on PS5.

I tried many cars (Mazda, Peugeot, Mercedes, BMW, Porsche) but in the end I settled with Aston Martin DBR9. Why is that? Since it is the only (as far as I know) car in Gr.3 class which is actually GT1 in real life. This may not mean anything since by BoP - it has less power than the M6 (539hp vs 555hp).
BoP performance of DBR9 is: 539hp | 1250kg
Handling wise - DBR9 has a tendency to understeer and it is hard on its front tires, it has loads of torque so corner exits require caution since the rear does step out in 2nd and even 3rd gear.

It is of utmost importance that you gain P1 in the first 3 laps. Lap 1 is crucial, if you laptime is higher than 2:04.000 - RESTART. In this race every second counts, so just keep perfecting that lap 1 because it is really important.
I was P3 by the end of lap 1 with a laptime of 2:03.7xx. I gained P1 in 3rd lap, laps 2 and 3 were 1:56.8 and 1:56.9.

Lap 4 was 1:57.0;
Lap 5 was 1:57.6;
Lap 6 was 1:57.9;
Lap 7 was 1:58.0;

My fuel map was 1, I settled down on a 8 lap stint strategy. During those laps my slowest time was on lap 7, my pit entry fuel was 48%, I filled it only by 8%. Pit stop duration was 25 seconds.
Pit exit lap was 1:56.2. I entered the pits in P1, exited in P9.

Lap 9 was 1:57.2, position: P6;
Lap 10 was 1:57.2, position P2 (Supra, AMG GT M6 pitted on lap 10);
Lap 11 was 1:55.8, position P1;
Lap 12 was 1:56.8;
Lap 13 was 1:57.1;
Lap 14 was 1:57.2;
Lap 15 was 1:58.7;

I pitted again on lap 16, fuel was 1%. Pit entry laptime was 1:55.x, pit stop duration was 40 seconds, Hurracan pitted with me on lap 16. Pit exit position was P4, just behind AMG GT whom I overtook easily on fresh rubber by turn 4. However - AMG GT punted me off the track at the hairpin (turn 12). I barely managed to avoid spinning out, however I lost at least 3 seconds due to this incident.
Pit exit laptime was 2:00. Position P2 (due to the aforementioned incident).

Lap 18 was 1:56.2, position P2;
Lap 19 was 1:56.5, position P1;
Lap 20 was 1:56.8;
Lap 21 was 1:57.0;
Lap 22 was 1:57.5;

This time I entered the pits on lap 23 instead of lap 24. Pit entry laptime was: 1:55, pit entry fuel was 7%. I decided to fill up to 58%. Pit stop duration was 39 seconds. Pit exit position was P1. This is the key moment in the race. If you're not P1 by the 3rd pit exit - you can restart.

What we want, in order to have a good finish to the race without much pressure is someone other than AMG or M6 in P2 by 3rd pit stop exit, that way we will have the car acting as a brake which will be aided by lapped traffic. Those things will slow AMG GT and M6 down. During my race - R.S.01 was the "buffer" car and I went from a 2 second lead upon exit from the pit lane - to a nice 12 second lead at the end of the race. Which was fantastic since I took it really easy during the final 2 laps.
Pit exit laptime was 1:57.0.

Lap 25 was 1:56.0;
Lap 26 was 1:56.0;
Lap 27 was 1:56.7 (be vary of the lapped traffic, take good care overtaking them!);
Lap 28 was 1:57.0;
Lap 29 was 1:58.5 (at this point I knew I was going to win if I didn't make any major mistakes, so I eased the pace a bit);
Final lap was 1:59.7.


In the end - I found a car which suits me, found a style which suits me (all out attack mode) and used lapped traffic to my advantage. I had only 1 major moment, during lap 17 due to AMG GT pushing me off the track in the said hairpin. Other than that - the run was without major mistakes. During this race you can not afford mistakes. You absolutely can't afford overshooting T1 or the hairpin, hence my first bolded sentence - don't attempt unless you're good and confident on this track.

I hope this helps those who are trying. I couldn't wait for the patch, this was the final thing left for me to gold. This is an insanely difficult event, but it feels good when you win.
Great Job and super lap times.

I think the key you wrote is to find a car that suits your style so a car that works for someone else might not work for you. e.g. I don't like heavy lift off oversteer. I can drive a car with that characteristic fine and fast for a few laps, but when you have to be 90%+ for most of an hour why have something extra you have to mitigate... you want something that fits your style and allows you to do comfortably fast laps. The AMG seems to fit my style best of the cars I've driven [honestly, I only tried 3 of them], although it might not be the "fastest" for others. If you find a car that suits you and has good fuel consumption characteristics it will help.

I also think position on track exiting pits relative to other cars is crucial... maybe that's where 3 stop is an advantage... I came out of the pits twice and was immediately faced with small packs of slightly slower cars to deal with... not slow enough or on bad enough tires to discard easily... so two laps with good tires I couldn't really take advantage of and instead lost on my main competitor who had open track behind me. I never had a situation with open track and fresh tires to lay down the fastest lap times. This is where it would be nice to have a race director [or access to more info] managing you so you can drive lol. There is no way in game really to know what the delta is to a target driver that you are competing directly with but isn't directly behind you on track. You could pit a lap later or earlier to make sure you came out in an open gap. Guess this isn't realistic and in most of the game it isn't necessary, but when you are splitting hairs for a narrow victory this would be another level. Maybe if you could tag a driver in the lineup and instead of delta to leader it would show delta to that car. I also wish during pits you could see more information... I don't remember exactly what's shown and don't have my PS4 with me now but I think it removes some key info during pits when you actually have a few seconds of downtime to scan things properly.

I had a car hunting me at 3 seconds back for final 4 laps. Two of those laps I had to deal with lapping cars. I was up/down during each of the last laps and maintained most of that lead by end of each lap. It was stressful until I came to last lap with 2.5 second lead and had clear track ahead in which case I turned it down a notch and gave away a second on final lap to play it safe.

PS> I won the event post patch and honestly didn't see that much difference in AI pre/post patch. The main difference was I was lapping more consistently fast while still saving tires for end of stints.

PPS> I agree you need to be able to gold CE before the race, but also I believe this isn't enough pace. You need to be able to gold repeatedly lap after lap. I'd honestly rather run in TT mode in the target car and run 10 laps in a row fast vs work on getting a faster CE time. So learn track and lines with CE and get gold, but then take target car and run 90% lap after lap for a mock stint (7-15 laps depending on pit strategy) until you are consistently fast.

PPPS> It's really cool that people have won this with 1, 2 or 3 pit strategies -- none of which are easy, but all can be made to work. PD nailed this one IMO even though some are frustrated by it, a lot of drivers have figured it out even after pulling some hair out.
 
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PPS> I agree you need to be able to gold CE before the race, but also I believe this isn't enough pace. You need to be able to gold repeatedly lap after lap. I'd honestly rather run in TT mode in the target car and run 10 laps in a row fast vs work on getting a faster CE time. So learn track and lines with CE and get gold, but then take target car and run 90% lap after lap for a mock stint (7-15 laps depending on pit strategy) until you are consistently fast.

PPPS> It's really cool that people have won this with 1, 2 or 3 pit strategies -- none of which are easy, but all can be made to work. PD nailed this one IMO even though some are frustrated by it, a lot of drivers have figured it out even after pulling some hair out.
This is something I didn't emphasise strongly enough, or my wording was just bad. Gold is NOT enough, yes.
While doing the math - if you opt for the 3 pit strategy - your average lap times HAVE to be 1:57.05. That is dead low 57 on average during the entire race (excluding the pits). All while making no mistakes (no penalties, no off track, no damage). I don't remember a more difficult event, especially when it comes to racing.

I have a great replay and I'm happy because of that, however doing this on a pad - I didn't find this too enjoyable, if I was on my wheel then I guess my I've loved it however, on a pad it was quite frustrating until I got into the zone.

With tough heart I must agree with you, PD did nail this one. It's crazy how good this event is in terms of racing itself. Something along the lines - "so you wanna be a racecar driver ey?" - regardless, I wouldn't want more of these events. Too much stress.
 
… no, it definitely isn’t. You just never see what the AI is capable of in any other races because their car performance is never the same as yours. The only other BOP race in the game (endurance mission 7 at RBR) has changing weather, which completely kills the AI’s race pace. Try some custom races with BOP enabled on professional difficulty and you’ll find pretty similar results to this mission.
I have done 100% of my stuff bop only for farming i added turbskis. My opinion on normal or hard difficult is, the AI isnt that much faster (only in the chilli marked ones) but way more agressive and trys to kill you on overtakes or lapping the AI.
In case of maggiore, thats the only challenge in the hole game that makes me swet because after 1.13 it got really quick and learnd or get better programmed for the S corners.
And like i sayed its a guess because it is really strong on that mission.

The real challange for me is against other human racers.
AIs are more or less predictable and it gets boring. Hard or normal dosnt change my own racepace.
And i challenge my own enough, only abs, controller and cockpitview ;)

Or see Sophy, when PD want to, they screw us all.
 
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LOL, at last I did it. Subaru is amazing on this track with 2 pit strategy and RM tyres.

1st try I finished - 4th
2nd try I finished - 1st

My previous best attempts with AMG, Peugeot, Mazda, Renault and so on.... were 18,17, 15, 14, 13, 12 and many, many fails.

Regards!
 

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Golded the CE with only a couple retries on one sector … went straight into this 1st try in the Z4 with a rough strategy then didn’t stick to it … cost me the race, although 2nd didn’t feel too bad.

Took no fuel on first stop and also changed to Hard Tyres … foolish error. Changed back to Mediums and filled up to about 30% fuel on last stint and wasn’t enough to catch the AMG.

Will try again with a flat out Medium/Medium/Medium strategy next time.

Can someone explain why the AI pitstops last about half the time of a player?!
 

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Golded the CE with only a couple retries on one sector … went straight into this 1st try in the Z4 with a rough strategy then didn’t stick to it … cost me the race, although 2nd didn’t feel too bad.

Took no fuel on first stop and also changed to Hard Tyres … foolish error. Changed back to Mediums and filled up to about 30% fuel on last stint and wasn’t enough to catch the AMG.

Will try again with a flat out Medium/Medium/Medium strategy next time.

Can someone explain why the AI pitstops last about half the time of a player?!
AI take a lot of fuel first pit and minimum 2nd stop so second stop is quicker than player if you just take enough for 10 laps in both stops. Maybe they are more fuel efficient and also take less for that?
 
LOL, at last I did it. Subaru is amazing on this track with 2 pit strategy and RM tires.

1st try I finished - 4th
2nd try I finished - 1st

My previous best attempts was 18,17, 15, 14, 13, 12 and many, many fails.

Regards!
Fuel mix 1 the whole time? What laps did you pit? How much fuel did you take on each pit stop?

I can’t handle finishing 2nd in this race again….
 
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