The Human Comedy 8 - Gr.3 Lake Maggiore

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I just made it in the Mazda RX-Vision. I took an aggressive approach while fighting my way through the pack and got past the leading Supra in lap 4. I had a lead of about 4 seconds when Beauvois in the Mercedes overtook him in lap 8. This lead had shrunk to about 3 seconds when it was time to pit two laps later. I put on another set of fresh RM tyres, filled the car up to the brim and came out of the pits in 17th.
I knew that the AI wasn't particularly good at dealing with traffic, so I didn't take any prisoners on my way up the order. The result was a healthy 12 second lead on Beauvois when all the traffic between us had cleared in lap 18. Again, Beauvois started to close the gap, but only managed to bring it down by about a second when we were entering the pits in lap 20. I changed to yet another set of RM tyres, filled up with fuel for 10.5 laps and came out of the pits in 4th.
Hizal in the Subaru was in front of me at this point and he had set the fastest lap of the race. I got past him two laps later, however my overtaking attempt in the esses against Lopez in the leading Renault went wrong and I lost quite a bit of momentum. As a result, Hizal was in range to make a move on me when we got to the banked U-turn and he went for a divebomb which nearly took me out. Honestly, that was the scariest moment of the race. However all went well and his pit stop in the very same lap got me rid of him.
Another two laps later Beauvois also got past Lopez which revealed that I had a comfy 11 second lead for the remaining 6 laps. Nothing else really happened after that and I managed to finish the race 7 seconds ahead of Beauvois.

The race went without any major hickups. There was one moment early in the race where I had braked way too late for turn 1, however a fellow Mazda driver saved my life by serving as an additional brake 🤭 Oh, and if you're curious about Rubilar and his M6: The replay revealed that he ended up in the gravel twice over the first 3 laps which, added to the traffic he had to deal with as a result, pretty much took him out of the competition for first place.

I was on fuel map 1 throughout the entire race and my best lap was a 1:56.436.

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The thing I notice is how different the AI is in each person's game and how different finishing times and gaps are. Some people don't see AI doing times lower than 57, whilst some have even seen AI doing under 55 (although I am yet to see that). I've only finished this race 3 times (P6, P3 and P1) and all 3 times the race was very different.

Here I see some people having winning times slower than my P6 time, I have no clue why that is, maybe this new update?
From my experience - you need at least 1h0min40s to win (and even then it's going to be really close).
 
I won it. I tried the wrx as recommended above and did 2 stops with mediums pitting up to 10.1 laps each time. It is definitely a good car. Stable, fast, and handles well.

Quick breakdown

Leading by early lap 3.

Lap average mid 1:57s on good tires with a 1:56.5 for my best lap and maybe 2 or 3 other high 1:56s. A random ai ran a 1:56.1 for best lap late in the race (not the blue jerks)

Lap average high 1:58s on old tires last 3 laps or so of each cycle. Think I had 3 or 4 1:59s going wide in turn 1 or avoiding a ai piledrive.

The 2 blue jerks are likely going to be up your butt at the end even if you run faster then my lap times. Almost immune to tire wear it seems. Very likely rubberband happening too. Much like the Gt Sport endurance race here I won by a tenth of a second. I had 11 seconds on the 2nd place blue car at lap 10. I had about 8 seconds on lap 20 and between 27 and 30 my 5 second lead went away but I luckily never got bumped and held on.

I won't take anything back I said before though. This race is still awful and I feel bad for anyone struggling but try the wrx!
 
Fuel mix 1the whole time? What laps did you pit?
Yes, Fuel Map 1 all the race. The Subaru is very fast, very good handling even with bad tyres and gives very good fuel save.

1st pit was after I finished the 10 lap. I putted new RM tyres and fueled up for 10.5 laps.
2nd pit was after I finished the 20 lap. I putted new RM tyres and fueled up for 11 laps, though after I finished the race at lap 30, I left with fuel for another lap.

My laps time was not great 1:57 - 1:59, 1:58 most of the time. Maybe some 2:00 at the end of the tyres life. I was very focused on the track so I did not care about my laps time, as far as I was first or I was able to catch the cars in front of me.

One small mistake almost at the end of the race that cost me 2sec.
 
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One thing I failed to mention (even though my laps are stated in my guide) - if you plan on doing a 3 pit strategy, your average lap times have to be under 57.0. For my attempt the average excluding lap 1, laps 29 and 30 and pit in/out laps was 1:56.95. If you can maintain that average you can expect to win by >10s. That's 0.3 gain per lap on the P2 AI.


1st stint average: 1:57.4
2nd stint average: 1:57.2
3rd stint average: 1:56.8
4th stint average: 1:56.4

Total distance covered (testing + 3 completed runs): 770km (the most I've ever spent on a regular event in any GT title up to date)
 
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Gave this a go last night (Hard difficulty, PS5), won by 20 seconds in the Porsche (the only car where I had all the tyre options available). Ran Medium tyres until the end of Lap 10, at which point my fuel was down to 25% after having ran at Fuel Map 1 the whole way so I just topped up to 75% put a fresh set of Mediums on and this had jumped me ahead of the Supra that was leading. Second stint I just scythed through the slow Hard tyre runners which helped extend the gap to the Supra and M6 as the AI is awful at overtaking. End of Lap 20 I pitted again for another set of Mediums and topped up to 80% fuel just in case, but I won comfortably in the end with 6% fuel left as I crossed the line so I could have just fueled up to 75% again for the final stint.

I was second coming into the pits at the end of the first stint, about 3.9 behind the lead Supra and 3.0 seconds ahead of the M6, the AI loses a lot of time in the first stop by filling up to 100% fuel which drops them way back into the pack as well and they struggle to overtake other cars properly. That combined with a lighter fuel load means the race can be won in the second stint.

TLDR - Porsche, RM, pit at the end of Lap 10, fill to 75% fresh RM, pit at the end of Lap 20, fill to 80% fresh RM, win.

EDIT - Seeing a lot of comments about the AMG being a problem but it finished down in P9 on my run.
 
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Got it first time last night, it requires a bit of concentration but certainly doable. As others have said, redoing the Circuit Experience in advance is probably a good idea - I didn’t do this and spent the first five or six laps trying to find my braking points! I used the RCZ with a simple two stopper on RMs. The beauty of the RCZ is that you can run on fuel map 1 for the lifespan of the RMs and not have to worry about fuel saving; my stints were 10 laps each, so I was pitting just as the tires were going off the cliff and at each pit stop I only really needed to fill the tank to 75-80%, which obviously saves a few seconds.

In terms of lap times, every lap bar the pit stops (and one lap where I was checking the minimap to work out where I’d feed back in after my stop and missed my breaking point for a corner!) were 1.57s/58s. I’m on a controller and certainly not the fastest guy in the world so easily doable. I found that braking a smidgen earlier than the game would recommend for the left-right-left set of sweepers halfway round the lap allowed me to take them nearly flat, which obviously then allowed me to carry a lot more speed onto the back straight - nail this and you can make a second on the AI just in those 4/5 corners. Outside of that, it’s obviously quite important to be consistent with braking points, lines through corners etc.

At the start of the race I tried to make as many places as possible. I’d ascertained from this thread that getting ahead of Rubilar and Beauvois as quickly as possible was key, so the first two laps were spent getting my elbows out and divebombing the AI (obviously I usually abhor a divebomb but given the rate at which the lead AI was pulling away in clean air I thought it was necessary!) and so was up to second behind the Supra by lap three. Don’t be too concerned by the Supra, if you can stay 2-3 seconds behind him consistently up to about lap 8, I found his tyres seemed to go off, with the net result being I was sat on his gearbox by lap 10. The AI take on more fuel at the first stop (just as you’re going in for your first stop, take a note of how much fuel you’ve used and then only refill to there, with maybe a few % for margin of error. This will save you crucial seconds.) which allows you to jump them in the stops and get out in clear air.

The second stint is crucial, as in clear air and with fresh tyres you can really push. I was hitting 1.57s from lap 11 through to lap 17 - the quicker you can push in the clean air, the more of a buffer you have in the final stint. I came out in fourth from my final stop, but two of the AI pitted the lap after me, leaving Lopez out in front who appears to run a very long stint. Either way, his tyres are usually shot at that point so you can breeze past him. As others have pointed out, Beauvois finishes very strongly so keep an eye out - I lost a bit of time with traffic allowing him to close within a second, but if you keep your braking points and lines consistent he shouldn’t get close enough to have a sniff of a pass.

All in all, the most fun I’ve had on this game. Took a lot of concentration but I was quite proud of getting 26 laps within a second of each other, which I thought wasn’t bad going for a man of my considerable lack of talent! Getting those sweet prize cars at the end was just the cherry on top as well, a very rewarding race to round off the missions. My only gripe is that it’s a shame there’s no incentive to replay the race.
 
Fuel mix 1the whole time? What
Fuel mix 1the whole time? What laps did you pit?
Fuel mix 1the whole time? What laps did you pit?
Pitted Lap 9 for tyres but not fuel … this messed me up on second stop having to top up too much on fuel again … i was actually running 3-4 fuel on last couple laps as I basically misjudged the fuel situation

My pace was fine , averaging 1:58’s on RM with a best of 1.56.6 … on RH I could still run high 1.58 and 1.59 but should of never gone for the Hards at first stop anyway!
 
... My only gripe is that it’s a shame there’s no incentive to replay the race.
Yah, agree. There are different scenarios that can play out based on AI so there is replayability/variability if there were rewards/incentive to rerun it. Maybe a reward for running it with different cars.

Sometimes Rubilar or Beauvois have issues with traffic or even go off changing the race completely... Sometimes both. Looking at winning screenshots on this thread the win times vary greatly...

1:00:19.397 win by 7.2 over Beauvois (Rubilar +40.5 down order)
1:00:28.092 win by 28.5 over Beauvois (Rubilar +46.3 way off pace)
1:00:39.116 win by 1.9 over Beauvois (Rubilar +14.6 in 3rd)
1:00:39.623 win by 1.7 over Beauvois (Rubilar +6.8 in 3rd)
1:00:43.754 win by 15.7 over Rubilar (Beauvois +21.3 in 3rd)
1:00:44.206 win by 1.2 over Beauvois (Beauvois +8.3 in 3rd)
1:00:50.575 win by 4.9 over Rubilar (Beauvois +7.4)
1:00:56.358 win by 5.1 over Rubilar (Beauvois +7.5)
1:01:00.596 win by 0.7 over Miyazono (Beauvois +7.8 in 4th, Rubilar +8.0 in 5th)
1:01:16.923 win by 2.3 over Lopez (Beauvois +18.4, Rubilar +19.2 way down order)
1:01:21.931 win by 0.1 over Beauvois (Fraga +0.2, Lopez +1.5, Rubilar +2.9)

If Beauvois, Rubilar have a "typical" race they will finish about 1:00:40-50. Obviously you can do things as a driver to "slow" one or both down. But maybe be careful with that strategy, Beauvois can run faster... maybe if Rubilar isn't there to fight at times for position with Beauvois, he can gain time, or visa versa. Or maybe knocking off other traffic makes them an easier pass situation later in race for fastest AI. Rubilar or Beauvois obviously have potential to run faster if they hit no costly traffic. Maybe there is some rubber banding, but most likely a lot of variation is due to luck with traffic. I would imagine it's a very bad thing if Beauvois gets clean track and lead somehow super early in the race.

I know Rubilar will randomly do a third pit and take himself out of contention all by himself, but that usually doesn't change race for other AI since it happens on last couple laps.

If you can run 1:00:39 including pit time you should win most of the time but you may have bad luck and lose if the race plays out perfect for one of the key AI. If you run over 1:00:50 it's obviously possible to win, but something [potentially you] need to hold up the key AI at some point or get a lucky roll with the way the race plays out for AI.
 
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The difficulty setting applies on this race?
Doesn't appear to matter for their pace but I've seen some people say AI pass more aggressive based on setting. Personally, I don't think setting matters, but haven't tested it enough to be certain.
 
Sometimes Rubilar or Beauvois have issues with traffic
I got ahead of Rubilar at my first pitstop, he then got back in front of me at the second stop, and just kept pulling further away from me.

I thought my chance of a win (at last) had gone, when he decided to follow a backmarker for half a lap - I caught him up, passed him, and finished in P1 about 4 seconds ahead of him!
 
Just won this first try with the RX-Vision GT3 Stealth Model doing the same 2 stop strategy as Baka_Marimo suggested. I ended up with about 5% fuel left because I got more fuel efficient throughout the race so I could've saved a few seconds in the pits had I known. I feel like if you're someone who is good at fuel saving with a bit of lift and coast into each corner you could shave a decent amount of time off the pitstops because the refuel rate is pretty slow. Won by 14 seconds with an overall time of 1:00:22, Beauvois was second and a bit ahead of Rubilar, rest of the field was nowhere basically. Fastest lap was a 1:56.3xx, was able to run those for 2-3 laps after pitting, then dropping to 57's and 58's. I got into the lead after a few laps and stayed there other than in the pit cycles, I think the big thing is to make sure you get through the pack at the start quickly and make sure you're always running in clear air. I found the backmarkers weren't too bad, probably lost around a second, but they also held up the AI behind me so not an issue. One handy thing is with the pit cycle, you can get a nice draft for a few laps when your tyres are going off which helps keep the laptimes down. I was on hard difficulty, but I gather that makes no difference here.

Worst thing about this event is that it's fixed setup, the Mazda isn't too bad with the stock setup, but hardly what I would call ideal for my driving style. Even just being able to adjust the brake bias would help, although I suspect I could find over a second a lap just with a few changes, optimal was a 55 already.
 
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Got the W second try with a proper strategy as mentioned above.

WRX easy mode really … RM stints with appropriate refuels.

Pit on lap 10 fresh tyres / 77% fuel refill
Pit on lap 20 fresh tyres / 80% fuel refill

Happy with the FL being myself on a 1:56 dead , just prioritised getting past lead Supra fast as possible then holding off Beauvois from then on.

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Not attempted this yet but is now my last mission to get, never driven the track before so will definitely need to do the CE beforehand.

Track looks pretty challenging from what I’ve seen.
 
Hello everyone, I golded it myself in a bit of an unorthodox way using the WRX - love the way it handles!

I took the lead lap 5 and increased gap to 12s, then after lap 7 I tried to do some fuel economy, without losing the gap with the second, hoping I could make it with 1 stop strategy… but failed miserably.. I was checking that I had almost 30 mins left, so I was half the race there, so thought it was doable.

Unfortunately a full tank and fresh RM wouldn’t allow me to finish the race just by a small margin so I had to stop a second time without change of tires and fill an extra 20% of fuel at around lap 20.

Third stint started and was like 20s behind of a slow group of cars, and the fast ones just behind, closing the gap. The Toyota was holding the bmw m6 from hell back, but as soon as the bmw overtook started closing the gap, so I was running the last 5 laps with 1s gap or less. Tires where running out but thankfully there was some slow traffic at the right spots just enough to hold the bmw back.

Finished 4s ahead, sweating like a river and full of joy and adrenaline! I am using a wheel, and like it a bit strong so it was an exhausting race! Kudos to all the real drivers for running endurance races!!
 
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When I try the "RM, pit on lap10, pit on lap 20" strategy, I can never win.
On the lap 20 pit stop, me in 1st, beavois and rubilar always stay less time than me in the pit and I can never catch them after.
 
I won this earlier in the Vantage V12, same strategy as before (Mediums-->Pit on Lap 10 Mediums+10.5 laps of fuel-->Pit Lap 20 Mediums+10.5 laps of fuel).

This time i turned TCS off, since v1.13 it's no longer needed on controller for me. So ABS default only.

I was around 1 second ahead of the 2 blue cars at the first pit stop, about 16 seconds ahead of them at the 2nd pit stop, then finished around 7 seconds ahead of the AMG (it would have been a couple more seconds but i put in 12.5 laps of fuel in error in the 2nd pit stop..).

A lot of 1:57.xx & 1:58.xx laps, but some slower due to errors and traffic.
 
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When I try the "RM, pit on lap10, pit on lap 20" strategy, I can never win.
On the lap 20 pit stop, me in 1st, beavois and rubilar always stay less time than me in the pit and I can never catch them after.
Yah you have to build more lead that stint after the first stop. They take extra fuel on first stop so have a longer first stop and short second stop. It’s a bad strategy for them to carry extra weight, but can be frustrating when they come in behind and ahead out.
 
Unfortunately a full tank and fresh RM wouldn’t allow me to finish the race just by a small margin so I had to stop a second time without change of tires and fill an extra 20% of fuel at around lap 20.
I wonder how you manage keeping good times with degraded tires. Today I used the WRX as well, but only manged fifth place. I was better with the Castrol Supra (3rd place). The WRX becomes very hard to control later on. It kinda handles like a tank in corners and is apt to loose traction when pushing it in corner outs.
Maybe someone can give me a hint on cars which are more stable when the tires go red. I tried the Supra, WRX and NSX so far. The NSX was by far the worst car for this race.
 
I wonder how you manage keeping good times with degraded tires. Today I used the WRX as well, but only manged fifth place. I was better with the Castrol Supra (3rd place). The WRX becomes very hard to control later on. It kinda handles like a tank in corners and is apt to loose traction when pushing it in corner outs.
Maybe someone can give me a hint on cars which are more stable when the tires go red. I tried the Supra, WRX and NSX so far. The NSX was by far the worst car for this race.
I am certain it has to do with the fact that I am using a wheel - you guys are using controllers right?

You have a lot more accuracy using a wheel - my lap times dropped a couple of seconds but the car was not spinning - the gentler you go the less the tires are worn anyway, you have to be careful and finish your braking before entering the turn to save some tire compound.

With just one change of tires it wasn’t until my very last laps I needed to be extra careful taking the turns - the car went wider in turns towards the end.
 
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I wonder how you manage keeping good times with degraded tires. Today I used the WRX as well, but only manged fifth place. I was better with the Castrol Supra (3rd place). The WRX becomes very hard to control later on. It kinda handles like a tank in corners and is apt to loose traction when pushing it in corner outs.
Maybe someone can give me a hint on cars which are more stable when the tires go red. I tried the Supra, WRX and NSX so far. The NSX was by far the worst car for this race.
Mazda RX Vision worked for me - very fast, stable, and kind to fuel and tyres!
 
I am certain it has to do with the fact that I am using a wheel - you guys are using controllers right?

You have a lot more accuracy using a wheel - my lap times dropped a couple of seconds but the car was not spinning
Yes, I'm using a controller. Interesting insight. I'm trying to be as smooth as possible, but it can only go so far. Thanks for the insights on braking.
Mazda RX Vision worked for me - very fast, stable, and kind to fuel and tyres!
Good to know. The Mazda was a tough and ruthless enemy today. I'll give it a try. Thanks.
 
I'll try that next time. I think I'll go with the skyline.
Here's my guide for 3 lap strategy.
Mind you that my laps averaged at 1:56.95 and I won by 12s.

So, here's my detailed write up in order to try to help anyone still trying to do this impossible challenge.


Do not do this challenge if you didn't gold Lake Maggiore circuit experience.

I set the difficulty to normal. I tried every difficulty and I don't think it makes any difference.

I used DS4 on PS4 Pro, so this strategy might not work on PS5.

I tried many cars (Mazda, Peugeot, Mercedes, BMW, Porsche) but in the end I settled with Aston Martin DBR9. Why is that? Since it is the only (as far as I know) car in Gr.3 class which is actually GT1 in real life. This may not mean anything since by BoP - it has less power than the M6 (539hp vs 555hp).
BoP performance of DBR9 is: 539hp | 1250kg
Handling wise - DBR9 has a tendency to understeer and it is hard on its front tires, it has loads of torque so corner exits require caution since the rear does step out in 2nd and even 3rd gear.

It is of utmost importance that you gain P1 in the first 3 laps. Lap 1 is crucial, if you laptime is higher than 2:04.000 - RESTART. In this race every second counts, so just keep perfecting that lap 1 because it is really important.
I was P3 by the end of lap 1 with a laptime of 2:03.7xx. I gained P1 in 3rd lap, laps 2 and 3 were 1:56.8 and 1:56.9.

Lap 4 was 1:57.0;
Lap 5 was 1:57.6;
Lap 6 was 1:57.9;
Lap 7 was 1:58.0;

My fuel map was 1, I settled down on a 8 lap stint strategy. During those laps my slowest time was on lap 7, my pit entry fuel was 48%, I filled it only by 8%. Pit stop duration was 25 seconds.
Pit exit lap was 1:56.2. I entered the pits in P1, exited in P9.

Lap 9 was 1:57.2, position: P6;
Lap 10 was 1:57.2, position P2 (Supra, AMG GT M6 pitted on lap 10);
Lap 11 was 1:55.8, position P1;
Lap 12 was 1:56.8;
Lap 13 was 1:57.1;
Lap 14 was 1:57.2;
Lap 15 was 1:58.7;

I pitted again on lap 16, fuel was 1%. Pit entry laptime was 1:55.x, pit stop duration was 40 seconds, Hurracan pitted with me on lap 16. Pit exit position was P4, just behind AMG GT whom I overtook easily on fresh rubber by turn 4. However - AMG GT punted me off the track at the hairpin (turn 12). I barely managed to avoid spinning out, however I lost at least 3 seconds due to this incident.
Pit exit laptime was 2:00. Position P2 (due to the aforementioned incident).

Lap 18 was 1:56.2, position P2;
Lap 19 was 1:56.5, position P1;
Lap 20 was 1:56.8;
Lap 21 was 1:57.0;
Lap 22 was 1:57.5;

This time I entered the pits on lap 23 instead of lap 24. Pit entry laptime was: 1:55, pit entry fuel was 7%. I decided to fill up to 58%. Pit stop duration was 39 seconds. Pit exit position was P1. This is the key moment in the race. If you're not P1 by the 3rd pit exit - you can restart.

What we want, in order to have a good finish to the race without much pressure is someone other than AMG or M6 in P2 by 3rd pit stop exit, that way we will have the car acting as a brake which will be aided by lapped traffic. Those things will slow AMG GT and M6 down. During my race - R.S.01 was the "buffer" car and I went from a 2 second lead upon exit from the pit lane - to a nice 12 second lead at the end of the race. Which was fantastic since I took it really easy during the final 2 laps.
Pit exit laptime was 1:57.0.

Lap 25 was 1:56.0;
Lap 26 was 1:56.0;
Lap 27 was 1:56.7 (be vary of the lapped traffic, take good care overtaking them!);
Lap 28 was 1:57.0;
Lap 29 was 1:58.5 (at this point I knew I was going to win if I didn't make any major mistakes, so I eased the pace a bit);
Final lap was 1:59.7.


In the end - I found a car which suits me, found a style which suits me (all out attack mode) and used lapped traffic to my advantage. I had only 1 major moment, during lap 17 due to AMG GT pushing me off the track in the said hairpin. Other than that - the run was without major mistakes. During this race you can not afford mistakes. You absolutely can't afford overshooting T1 or the hairpin, hence my first bolded sentence - don't attempt unless you're good and confident on this track.

I hope this helps those who are trying. I couldn't wait for the patch, this was the final thing left for me to gold. This is an insanely difficult event, but it feels good when you win.
 
RX Vision Stealth GT3 - 1 stop with RH tires. Hard ai.
I thought it would've been more difficult but it was relatively easy. In first lap I 'leaned' a couple of times to 3 or 4 but then realized it slowing me down too much so I took the risk with no fuel saving. Stayed out of trouble with secure overtaking. The ai never threatened me.

My laps were never under 1:58. Smooth relaxed ride with easy revs approaching bigger corners and early shifting were my approach.
The two ai drivers were about five to six seconds ahead, me third, and when they pitted early for their 1st of 2 stops I knew I was going to win. Sixteenth lap and I pitted and took gasoline for under 15 laps (14,5). It was just race controlling and staying focused after that. 30 laps all together.
In the early race stage I once run a bit wide and on the last lap I was 'home distracted' once. No drama but also no clean race bonus.
I won with about 15 seconds.

I would like to re-race this event but if there is no price money anymore I of course won't waste my time.
 
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