The Le Mans General Discussion Thread

R0ssingt0n
Ive been 4 times, including this year. You've definitely left yourself enough time to prepare! Check out travel destinations or 1st tickets for pricing.
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If I may ask, where have you stayed? I'm planning on being there for the whole race week and I'm not sure if it's best to look for a cheap 2 star hotel or to get some camping equipment and get a camping spot for the entire week. What can you tell me in this respect?

Thanks for the help! 👍
 
Furinkazen
A car is fully developed when every ounce of performance is extracted from the car. I'd call the Audi R8 fully developed, or the Porsche RS Spyder, or the Audi R15 and it's + variant.
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No. Those cars aren't racing are they? When I said no car is fully developed, I meant current lmp's. The TS030 isn't fully developed because it could run a blown exhaust but they decided not to go that route (consumption of fuel vs the gains), the R18 isn't fully developed because they had to abondon an 'air hybrid' system due to the rulings of the governing bodies. So no, there is still performance to be found and the cars are not fully developed. This was evidenced last year when Toyota demonstrated fuel efficiency improvements from Silverstone to their first win in Sao Paulo. Then again with the same car this season at Silverstone yet doing a lap time almost a second faster and going further on a stint in fuel, while weighing 920kg vs. 900kg last year.
 
CarBastard
If I may ask, where have you stayed? I'm planning on being there for the whole race week and I'm not sure if it's best to look for a cheap 2 star hotel or to get some camping equipment and get a camping spot for the entire week. What can you tell me in this respect?

Thanks for the help! 👍
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I usually go from Friday to Monday. I've camped in the blue nord camp site every time. On the Sunday night we go to a town called alencon and stay the night in a hotel so we can have a good clean/sleep etc...

If you plan on going the entire week you can do that. I know people who have done it in the past. Just make sure you stock up on the essentials like beer and meat hahaha

Edit: if you have any other questions PM me. Not going to be on for the next couple of days
 
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freshseth83
No. Those cars aren't racing are they? When I said no car is fully developed, I meant current lmp's. The TS030 isn't fully developed because it could run a blown exhaust but they decided not to go that route (consumption of fuel vs the gains), the R18 isn't fully developed because they had to abondon an 'air hybrid' system due to the rulings of the governing bodies. So no, there is still performance to be found and the cars are not fully developed. This was evidenced last year when Toyota demonstrated fuel efficiency improvements from Silverstone to their first win in Sao Paulo. Then again with the same car this season at Silverstone yet doing a lap time almost a second faster and going further on a stint in fuel, while weighing 920kg vs. 900kg last year.
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A car is fully developed when the constructor decides to stop development on it. Those cars stopped racing when they were fully developed. Honestly, Toyota could try an F1 Nose if they wanted, they could put fans inside the brakes, they could do all manner of stuff. By your standards there is no such thing as "developed".
 
I'm looking at going next year, quoting flights and stuff, depends on if I go to bathurst this year,

Development in motor racing, You can either built to the rule, or you can build to a different interpretation, this will be seen as long as there are rules to manipulate,
 
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Just dropping this tasty concept art here...
 
Is that in any way official, or just a fanmade concept?
 
It would have to be Ferrari, Lancia (assuming they still are under the Fiat Umbrella) are in no financial shape last I heard for any kind of Motorsport.
 
Furinkazen
A car is fully developed when the constructor decides to stop development on it. Those cars stopped racing when they were fully developed. Honestly, Toyota could try an F1 Nose if they wanted, they could put fans inside the brakes, they could do all manner of stuff. By your standards there is no such thing as "developed".
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Do you really pay attention to what youre saying or do you just type out the first thing that pops in your head? Your response didn't even address what I said. You bring up fallacies like fans in brakes and F1 noses that aren't relevant to the development of a car because they aren't related to these cars.

The R18 is not fully developed, its in a stage of development, as is the TS030. I gave you two huge examples of why these cars can be considered not fully developed and you reply with "by your standards there is no such thing as "developed""? :lol: Your reading comprehension baffles me.
 
freshseth83
Do you really pay attention to what youre saying or do you just type out the first thing that pops in your head? Your response didn't even address what I said. You bring up fallacies like fans in brakes and F1 noses that aren't relevant to the development of a car because they aren't related to these cars.

The R18 is not fully developed, its in a stage of development, as is the TS030. I gave you two huge examples of why these cars can be considered not fully developed and you reply with "by your standards there is no such thing as "developed""? :lol: Your reading comprehension baffles me.
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Personal attacks. Smart 👍

I am giving an example of by how your standards nothing can be EVER fully developed. Because there is always something that can be changed, improved, or modified. When a team like Toyota bring a development pack to a race like the Spa WEC, that's the car being developed. If they had decided not to do anymore, then the car would be fully developed as no more work would be done on it.
 
Furinkazen
Personal attacks. Smart 👍

I am giving an example of by how your standards nothing can be EVER fully developed. Because there is always something that can be changed, improved, or modified. When a team like Toyota bring a development pack to a race like the Spa WEC, that's the car being developed. If they had decided not to do anymore, then the car would be fully developed as no more work would be done on it.
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A personal attack it was not. A question it was. Nothing you say makes sense to me. Because in these cars, the development doesn't stop until the usage of said car stops. So, like I originally said, the cars racing aren't fully developed. The teams claim the same thing. Its much like F1, but not quite the same scale.
 
I'm off to Road America on Wednesday, it'll be my first time there. Anyone else going for the ALMS/Grand-Am Weekend?
 
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LongbowX
Thanks very much! And I'm hoteling it. Mostly because the drive is a bit lengthy and it would be nice to be fresh at some point. :lol:
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It's over 10 hours for me.. Hotel for us as well.
 
Same time for me, I live in Toronto. I definitely think hotel is the way to go in this case. I'm staying a little bit away, but it should affect it too much. Saturday is really packed in, I'm hoping to go early and take some photographs of the morning ALMS practice and be exhausted by the end of the day. Then enjoy some rest because Sunday doesn't have nearly the same level of action.
 
Grand Am is running there this weekend too right? Should be a pretty good wekend on track for you guys!
 
From another forum,
we hear that the 2014 Toyota could have in excess of 1100bhp on full noise and huge torque (sounds daft but its true!)
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Before anyone rubbishes that claim, lets look at the rules for this year. In terms of engine power, the TS030 makes ~500-550hp, coupled with the team's claim that their hybrid boost provides an additional 300hp, that means for around 2-3 seconds the two powertrains coupled make ~800-850hp.

This is with 500kilojoules of electric energy allowed for each braking zone. There are 7 braking zones allowed to release energy at LeMans. So per lap Hybrid cars are allowed 7(braking zones) X 500(kilojoules energy) = 3,500 kilojoules (3.5 megajoules) per lap. In 2014, that allowed energy release is increased to a maximum of 8megajoules (8,000kj) per lap at LeMans. Thats a 2.285 times increase of energy per lap. So just by electric power alone, the 300hp for 2-3 seconds becomes 685.5hp! Coupled with an engine that makes the same power as the current, ~500-550hp, that means Toyota could be producing 1185-1235hp!
 
freshseth83
Toyota could be producing 1185-1235hp!
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:scared:

Part of me wants this to be true, but another part of me just finds that terrifying. How fast will they be going approaching Indianapolis, or on the run to the first chicane on the Hunaudières?



Honestly, the thing that interests me the most about the new regulations is the potential, at some point in the future, for cars using new power sources such as Hydrogen Fuel Cells or such like, to compete in the top class, and possibly for outright victory.

I do feel a bit disappointed that for now they're only going to be allowing piston engines in. Let's have another rotary Mazda "Group C"* screamer!



*I am aware that the new regulations are not "Group C" regulations, but they are fuel formula.
 
hawkeye122
I think they may increase their boost time rather than increase their boost amount
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Then it would be 300hp for about 5 SECONDS on top of the 550hp engine. Since currently they use 300hp with 500kj, that rounds out to be 2.3 seconds of additional power. You multiply 2.3(seconds of electric energy) X 2.28 (times more allowed electric energy) = 5.24 seconds at the current level of 300HP. 👍
 
But Toyota wouldn't use such levels as they would stress the engine. Kinda like when Group C was tuned up to 1100hp+ for Qualification only.
 
Furinkazen
But Toyota wouldn't use such levels as they would stress the engine. Kinda like when Group C was tuned up to 1100hp+ for Qualification only.
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Thats not true. The MGU converts the energy into electricity. The electricity is transmitted via an inverter into the supercapacitor which stores the energy. The driver presses the pedal, the hybrid boost is delivered automatically for around three seconds, with the electricity travelling from the super capacitor, through the inverter and into the MGU, which adds the power to that of the petrol engine and transmits it to the rear wheels.

http://www.toyotahybridracing.com/toyota-hybrid-system-racing-the-heart-of-the-ts030-hybrid/
 
freshseth83
Thats not true. The MGU converts the energy into electricity. The electricity is transmitted via an inverter into the supercapacitor which stores the energy. The driver presses the pedal, the hybrid boost is delivered automatically for around three seconds, with the electricity travelling from the super capacitor, through the inverter and into the MGU, which adds the power to that of the petrol engine and transmits it to the rear wheels.

http://www.toyotahybridracing.com/toyota-hybrid-system-racing-the-heart-of-the-ts030-hybrid/
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It would overheat the brakes quicker which has been Toyota's problems all along...
 

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