The Logitech Driving Force Pro Thread.

[GTXLR]

My DFP is now back in his box waiting for GT4, so I can not try it out, but I don not remember it shaking at high speed in any car. There is needles shaking and vision blur at high speed, but no steering wheel vibration or shaking AFAIR.


Ho-hum is a bit easy as a comment ...
You will need to get some better documented test results to convince me.

Buggy I still think you must have a problem with your wheel.

Dead zone and no shaking at high speed in the Mclaren! ughh
Would indicate to me that something is not quite right with it.

Question to the board.
How many people here with the DFP and prologue have experienced the shaking?


If it is my wheel that is faulty then ill live with it, because to me it adds a little extra element to the sense of speed.

 

[SimRaceDriver]

Well we have a 45" TV in the TV room but it doesn't suppord HDTV but it's got surround sound.

Oh and use " for inches and ' for feet SimRaceDriver. Don't want to get the wrong idea.

Do I want to even know what wrong idea you could be thinking of or did that comment just go over my head?

 

[Gabkicks]

reason number 1 i don't use the 900 is ^

reason number 2 is, most race cars don't HAVE 900 degrees of steering.

But.. gt4 has Mostly roadcars in it And since most roadcars have around 900 degrees of steering or more, it makes since that the GT4 wheel has 900 degrees of steering.... Now of course the Arta NSX doesnt have 900....

Does anyone know how far the R34 skyline GT-R's steering wheel turns lock to lock? what about any other popular sports cars? Most of the ones i've seen or driver turn more than or around 2.5 turns lock to lock.


Plus, in real life, damaging the car by turning too quickly isnt really likely unless you have some serious problems with your car already.

 

[SaintKamus]

Lafora, if you try 900* you'll quickcly reealize that race cars do NOT have 900* degrees of steering in GT4, even with the mode enabled, there are no physical locks, but software locks (meaning, you can reach the limit a LOT faster than actaully getting to the physical lock)
so playing with the locks enabled is POINTLESS the software automaticly uses the proper locks even if they aren't physical. this is the same way i use the 900* mode in my PC. by setting software locks.

 

[Gabkicks]

yeah, in Richard burns rally, i have it configured to 540 degrees detection using DXtweak2.

 

[Pak]

Lafora, if you try 900* you'll quickcly reealize that race cars do NOT have 900* degrees of steering in GT4, even with the mode enabled, there are no physical locks, but software locks (meaning, you can reach the limit a LOT faster than actaully getting to the physical lock)
so playing with the locks enabled is POINTLESS the software automaticly uses the proper locks even if they aren't physical. this is the same way i use the 900* mode in my PC. by setting software locks.

They actually do have 900 degrees of steering. Try it with the outside camera view.
Probably non-linear steering or something.

 

[Blackbird.]

Do I want to even know what wrong idea you could be thinking of or did that comment just go over my head?

No, just didn't want to think your screen was a 55 footer. Why do people think that way?

 

[mrhemi1971]

Drive the race cars in 200 degree mode, I do it!

 

[MrSabu]

Is there anywhere in the UK where this is still in stock?

 

[Soarer]

do you have a game store like EB? if you do ask them about getting one

 

[hellnback]

Question to the board.
How many people here with the DFP and prologue have experienced the shaking?

I've only experienced 'shaking' with my DFP on the Grand Canyon in Prologue. I think the wheel was at full force feedback and it was shaking quite bad, almost making it undriveable. I think it still shaked a little on low feedback, to a point where it was still disconcerting...

So I'm hoping it's only a 'gravel' thing... I can live with that, I'll just use DS2 on gravel...

 

[Lafora]

Drive the race cars in 200 degree mode, I do it!

whether it's GT4 or the sims i play on PC, the wheel is ONLY in 200 mode. i just can't to get the feel of 900


question, is there a way to adjust the lock when using hte DFP in a pc? i have the logitech profiler but i can't seem to be able to find that feature..maybe it isn't possible??

 

[Mister E]

whether it's GT4 or the sims i play on PC, the wheel is ONLY in 200 mode. i just can't to get the feel of 900


question, is there a way to adjust the lock when using hte DFP in a pc? i have the logitech profiler but i can't seem to be able to find that feature..maybe it isn't possible??

Select + R3 + Right Paddle?

 

[[myg0t]wicked]

does GT4 have its own new wheel coming out or is DFP considered the GT4 wheel?

 

[Jedi2016]

The DFP is the GT4 wheel. Logitech just didn't feel like waiting for the game, so they released it as planned rather than delaying it.

As far as "not getting the 'feel' of 900 mode".. that's just weird, sorry... So when you hop in the car to go to the grocery store for some milk, your wheel there only has 200 degrees of steering?

It really depends on how you're playing it. Most of the time when driving in GT4, or pretty much any game that TRULY supports 900 (and GT3 is NOT it), you'll find that you rarely ever turn the wheel much further than 200 anyway. Only in very slow, very sharp corners will you need to really spin it. And that's realistic... turning the wheel 90 degrees to the right to turn around in twenty feet is not my idea of realistic.

 

[Lafora]

The DFP is the GT4 wheel. Logitech just didn't feel like waiting for the game, so they released it as planned rather than delaying it.

As far as "not getting the 'feel' of 900 mode".. that's just weird, sorry... So when you hop in the car to go to the grocery store for some milk, your wheel there only has 200 degrees of steering?

It really depends on how you're playing it. Most of the time when driving in GT4, or pretty much any game that TRULY supports 900 (and GT3 is NOT it), you'll find that you rarely ever turn the wheel much further than 200 anyway. Only in very slow, very sharp corners will you need to really spin it. And that's realistic... turning the wheel 90 degrees to the right to turn around in twenty feet is not my idea of realistic.

when i drive on the road, i EXPECT to turn the wheel more.
when i drive on the track, i don't. i race 2-stroke karts during the summer and i'm just NOT used to turning the wheel more than a quarter turn each way when i drive balls to the wall in race track setting.

which means it's just intuitive for me to use the 200 mode no matter WHAT car i play with in the game.

R3 + select + rgiht paddle only switches between 200 and 900..i was hoping i can "adjust" the amount of lock say between 200 to 300 guess that's wishful thinking.

 

[Majarvis]

You have to keep in mind, that GT4, for the most part, has road cars. So this makes sense for the DFP to simulate the steering mechanism of a road car more than, let's say, and F1 car (which has very little lock).

 

[Jedi2016]

when i drive on the track, i don't. i race 2-stroke karts during the summer and i'm just NOT used to turning the wheel more than a quarter turn each way when i drive balls to the wall in race track setting.

And you won't have to. If you'd read the rest of my post, and a few of my other posts in this thread, you'd see that, when running at high speed (balls to the wall, as it were), you really won't turn the wheel more than 90 degrees in either direction.. because just a little twitch is all you need to get around corners at speed.

While you may be more "used" to driving 200, you'll also be giving up a lot of fine control over the car.. you might as well stick to the DS2, because 200 mode has the same steering assists that the analog sticks have.

 

[Lafora]

guess i'll try it the next time i play GT4 to use 900 just too damn stubborn to turn that mode on

 

[Jedi2016]

The important thing to remember is that 900 in GT4 is nothing at all like 900 in GT3. When you switch to 900 in GT3, all you're doing is expanding the lock-to-lock distance, that's all. The steering assists are still on. So at 180mph, you have to turn the wheel around 400 degrees to get around a fairly easy corner. It sounds like that's what you're afraid of. Trust me, GT4 is NOT like that. GT4 drives like a real car with a real wheel.

Tell me... on your way to the store, if your car is going above say.. 30mph, do you ever have to turn the wheel more than 90 degrees to go 'round a bend? Most likely not. 900 in GT4 is that same way. So relax.. give it a whirl, you might find the rest of us aren't so crazy after all.

 

[Lafora]

you do know that all crazy people think they're perfectly sane right just like how the drunks think they're sober?

dah well, worse comes to worse, i join the crazies

 

[Gabkicks]

why do "we" like saying the same crap over and over again? "we" ignore posts answering "our" questions that "we" are about to post and post them again. or "we" make comments that have been proven false a few posts before "ours"


lol, maybe i just woke up on the wrong side of the bed today.. Is anyone else annoyed by this?

 

[Majarvis]

Can someone answer this question: the question is, with the shift paddles and sequential shifter-stick, can you use both? What I mean is, even though in the settings, for example, you may have upshifts and downshifts assigned to the paddles, if you were driving a road car, and wanted to use the stick to shift gears, could you just go ahead and use the stick, or would you have to change what the upshifts and downshifts are assigned to in the game settings in GT4? I don't have my DFP yet, just ordered it the other day, but I would like to know if the game will recognize both without having to flip-flop back and forth? Thanks

 

[GTXLR]

Can someone answer this question: the question is, with the shift paddles and sequential shifter-stick, can you use both? What I mean is, even though in the settings, for example, you may have upshifts and downshifts assigned to the paddles, if you were driving a road car, and wanted to use the stick to shift gears, could you just go ahead and use the stick, or would you have to change what the upshifts and downshifts are assigned to in the game settings in GT4? I don't have my DFP yet, just ordered it the other day, but I would like to know if the game will recognize both without having to flip-flop back and forth? Thanks

You could use both in Prologue at the same time or set the stick shifter to reverse/handbrake combo.
As i see in the Options mode that different configurations are still present, I assume this is still the case.
Also I see there is a key configuration scheme for the DFP so you can set it up how you like.

 

[Majarvis]

You could use both in Prologue at the same time or set the stick shifter to reverse/handbrake combo.
As i see in the Options mode that different configurations are still present, I assume this is still the case.
Also I see there is a key configuration scheme for the DFP so you can set it up how you like.

Oh that's awesome! Thank you very much! I was wondering about that all day in my head "well, what if I'm driving a Skyline, using the stick to shift gears, and then hopped in an F1 car, and wanted to use the paddles, would I have to go and change the settings every time?" lol, thanks for putting that to ease

 

[GTXLR]

when i drive on the road, i EXPECT to turn the wheel more.
when i drive on the track, i don't. i race 2-stroke karts during the summer and i'm just NOT used to turning the wheel more than a quarter turn each way when i drive balls to the wall in race track setting.

Driving a Car road or track car is a completely different experience to driving a kart.
Your kart is far more precise than most cars, and you can chuck direction change at it with abundance, do that with a car and body roll and weight transfer would spin you off in an instant.
Even race racks are over 2 turns lock to lock, and that is about the minimum you would want, that still allows precise control, without requiring too smaller inputs to be smooth and controlled.

Edit:

Oh that's awesome! Thank you very much! I was wondering about that all day in my head "well, what if I'm driving a Skyline, using the stick to shift gears, and then hopped in an F1 car, and wanted to use the paddles, would I have to go and change the settings every time?" lol, thanks for putting that to ease

Sometimes I like use the paddles only, but sometimes when you want to shift while turning the wheel, its easier to grab the shifter to change than fumbling for the paddle shift in a frantic manouver.

 

[Majarvis]

Sometimes I like use the paddles only, but sometimes when you want to shift while turning the wheel, its easier to grab the shifter to change than fumbling for the paddle shift in a frantic manouver.

Thanks again for the info, I'm very happy that you can use both without having to change settings!

 

[Buck-O]

You could use both in Prologue at the same time or set the stick shifter to reverse/handbrake combo.
As i see in the Options mode that different configurations are still present, I assume this is still the case.
Also I see there is a key configuration scheme for the DFP so you can set it up how you like.

This is the best post ive read all day!!!

Thank god they allowed the option to set it as a hand brake!


You have no idea how frustrated i get when racing games ahve the padels set tot he same axis as the shift knob. Ive always wanted to set the knob to the Hand brake. Just like a Group-A handbrake in a rally car.

It just doesnt seem "right" pushing a button in rally mode when your useing a steering wheel.

Now i feel GT4 has redeamed itself after finding out the fireblade is not a raceable car.

 

[alexsteffen]

Yesterday i drove to a good friend of mine in cologne, because the Christmas Gift from his Girlfriend was a DFP and on monday he bought a "Gamechopper" from the "Dittrich Design GmbH".

The gamechopper is a pretty cheap racing seat (79,- Euro) and it´s quality is superb (for this price it´s actually amazing). When i was on my way to cologne i didn´t expect such a good finish and such an amazing steering wheel. Really every position of the Seat (pedal plate, plate for the Steering-Wheel, degrees of the seat......) is free adjustable.

I drove with the Falken Skyline for almost 2 and a half hours and today everything hurts

But it was great fun, so today i ordered my own Gamechopper and DFP (Gamechopper will be delivered next week and i will pick up the DFP tomorrow).

Since last years summer i have been thinking about buying a racing seat and a steering wheel, or about a self made racing seat. I´ve already been searching for used Car Seats at "eBay". But i would have never been able to design and manufacture a seat of this quality and it would have costed at least 150,- Euro.

The look is not really "Racing-like" but it´s kind of "stylish" and if you are under 200 cm you will always find a perfect position.

This could be interesting for everyone who always thougt about a good racing seat, but never wanted to spend something between 300,- and 700,- $ for a seat.

Next week i will post some Informations about the delivery-Time and about my racing times on nurb when i really know how to use the Wheel !

 

[SimRaceDriver]

Sometimes I like use the paddles only, but sometimes when you want to shift while turning the wheel, its easier to grab the shifter to change than fumbling for the paddle shift in a frantic manouver.

Frantic? I must be a freak than because to me, changing gears while turning the wheel comes really natural!