The market is now dead

[nikodaa]

Gift cars should be untradeable.

 

[Shaneman]

I say let the B-day glitchers trade amongst themselves. Us with the real cars, know what's worth what.

 

[NLxAROSA]

I highly doubt sitting in front of your TV making PSN accounts to get a birthday car in a video game will get you laid by the way.

Yes it will, because not having to grind in game gives you plenty of time to grind elsewhere.

 

[imaROBOT_]

Yes it will, because not having to grind in game gives you plenty of time to grind elsewhere.

LMAO, good point.

The guy with the computer science degree should have minored in English . Join a online lobby or create your own with restrictions on HP. Then you don't have to deal with guys in the 20million dollar cars and such.

 

[rileyra]

Get real people, if someone actually paid 20 mil for these cars they wouldn't be trading them anyways so it's not like you're actually losing out on their value. All I'm seeing is a bunch of crying from people that are upset because aren't getting the opportunity to be in a position of power i.e. having better/more cars than the other "poor low level players" who apparently can't handle a race car because they didn't earn it... Because lord knows you have to progress through the ranks of crapbox to supercar in order to be able to drive one...It's not like the same rules apply in almost every other slightly simulation based racing game...That can't be. No way people have any skill if they didn't work up and buy the car... nope nope nope

 

[TT3AZ]

Actually I can call them whatever I want, its my opinion. And to qualify my opinion, I have an advanced degree in computer science, and in my experience many of the people with "133t haxor" skills in hacking a savegame 1) couldn't program anything themself to save their life and 2) if they are worth a salt should be trying to make their own mark instead of exploiting others faults.

As for how it matters to me and others here is how. Its not like this whole game is single player and in its own little world like prior GT titles (excluding GT5P). Its a game that they introduced a gifting system (that I am SURE they figured out would be used for trading) and large online aspects of the game. So what does "hacking" that do? For the average player (not the 2% that sits here on GTP kvetching) it eliminates feelings of accomplishment when you finally win a special car (because everyone and their mother has it). And also the value of that car for trading purposes (if I spent 20mil on a car, I should be able to trade it for like 10 cars, for example). It gives in some cases poor low level players access to vehicles they can't handle totally screwing up races (I enjoy a good battle, not to go out there and shellacking everyone because they all can't handle their P4 of GT40). Those are big aspects of the game that are tossed out the window all for a few people who want to play it "their way". Its a very selfish view of the game.

As written before, less good and immature players can get those cars on a legal way, you dont have to be pro just to get an GT40, you could actually been gifted that car from a nice player, so your argument doesn't hold for one quid. And yes, now that you could get those cars on your birthday they arent worth so much for trading, and whose fault is that? Its PD because they invented the birthday stuff from the first beggining. There are also less rare cars that are more powerful and hard to drive with than the ones you mentioned. There are still many cars that are very rare, but just not the 20 millions because we can get them thru birthday exploit. So what, we must live with that, real enthusiasts dont care how "rare" their car is, if they like the car they like it, end of discussion. I Would never pay 20 millions to get a crappy car just beacuse its rare, and therfore i dont care if any one else has one. I have about 5 Supras RZ which considers to be rare in this game, so what? Do you think supra fans will hate me because of that?

We exploit the system because the gift system is rather plain and bad for doing business. If we would have a auction house we would do the trading in the "right" way because we would pay with money, and not with cars worth 50 times more. The cars in this case have becomed the money, and people who were smart enought figured out they could get the really rare cars by offering 20 million exploited cars to others.

Why do you thin this "Market" thread is the secons biggest in gt5 forum? Well i think because players have seen a opportunity to share and trade stuff they can't obtain from the game in that moment. That shows PD something that must be focused in the future also.

 

[Exorcet]

The birthday glitch has seriously killed the market in my opinion. everybody has p4's, ford mark IV cars, etc.

The exploit probably helps trading, it just shifts what cars are valuable. P4's are easy to get. However, more recent years (2005 for example) with many cars don't make much sense for the exploit. In my case, I really want the street legal Zondas, Saleen S7, and ALMS GTS/GT1 cars. Have yet to see them in the game. So I'd just trade excess P4's for them.

In reality though, I could care less about trading. Having every car from the beginning would be best for me. Maybe PD should have replica cars in the PD/By Gran Turismo/whatever it's called dealership. The real cars would come with certificates of authenticity. So the people who like the whole trading thing can seek the "real" cars, and I can just enjoy the game.

but the satisfaction getting that final car is immense, just think how you felt when you leveled up in cod to get that acr!

The satisfaction of getting the car is immense. Trying to get it sucks. I hated CoD specifically because it had unlocks. CoD3 had an online system infinitely better than CoD4 or anything following. In fact, after two games with online unlockables [among other bad additions], I couldn't be bothered to continue with the CoD series. Unlocking things, no matter what they are, just isn't fun.

As for how it matters to me and others here is how. Its not like this whole game is single player and in its own little world like prior GT titles (excluding GT5P). Its a game that they introduced a gifting system (that I am SURE they figured out would be used for trading)

Then they would make a trade system. Either they didn't think about what they were doing, or they just don't know how to do things well.

eliminates feelings of accomplishment when you finally win a special car (because everyone and their mother has it).

How? Just because everyone has it the car isn't special? Then why did you even want it in the first place? Also, accomplishment. If accomlishment to you is "earning" the car, you've still earned it regardless of how someone else got it.

Your "hard work" means nothing to anyone else. It doesn't make you a better driver, it doesn't make your car more impressive. It's a personal thing. You either want to slave away to get a car, or you don't. You do. I don't. I won't force my way on you.

And also the value of that car for trading purposes (if I spent 20mil on a car, I should be able to trade it for like 10 cars, for example).

If you wanted the car just to trade it, find something else that's valuable.

It gives in some cases poor low level players access to vehicles they can't handle totally screwing up races (I enjoy a good battle, not to go out there and shellacking everyone because they all can't handle their P4 of GT40).

OK. So does the Birthday feature as it's intended. What stopping somone from getting a race car if it happens to be their birthday on the day they get the game? What about the pre-order cars?

Secondly, why are people using the exploit bad drivers?

Its a very selfish view of the game.

I believe the above is what describes those who have a problem with me playing the game in a way that makes it fun.

 

[Killa Cali]

I say let the B-day glitchers trade amongst themselves. Us with the real cars, know what's worth what.

The problem is that you can glitch any car and supply is way higher than demand. Only the noobs are glitching '67 cars, the smart ones are going for the rarest cars right now like the x1 and f2007. It may take them a day or two to get it but it'll still be faster than grinding or waiting for it to show up in the used car lot. I don't buy anything from the used car lot because I know it can be had here for so much less. Stop supplying the market with rare cars you've paid for and start collecting while you can. I agree that the market would be a better place if the glitching and cheating stopped but people always exploit what they can. The GT5 team at polyphony has never made an online game like this before and their inexperience is showing. Maybe they will fix the problems but you shouldn't count on them to do so.

I also can't stand the people that go into a thread and start flaming about a birthday car just because it's a '67 and ruining someones trade. ANYTHING can be a birthday car and you can't do anything about it.

 

[Tommy_861]

LMAO, good point.

The guy with the computer science degree should have minored in English . Join a online lobby or create your own with restrictions on HP. Then you don't have to deal with guys in the 20million dollar cars and such.

Wow big guy, making fun of a couple very minor grammatical errors I made which are nowhere near as bad as:

Yeah I agree, plus the rooms I join in online have restrictions just like a actually race would have. So it doesn't matter to me if you got some fancy car by using a exploit or not.

DBAD

 

[imaROBOT_]

The problem is that you can glitch any car and supply is way higher than demand. Only the noobs are glitching '67 cars, the smart ones are going for the rarest cars right now like the x1 and f2007. It may take them a day or two to get it but it'll still be faster than grinding or waiting for it to show up in the used car lot. I don't buy anything from the used car lot because I know it can be had here for so much less. Stop supplying the market with rare cars you've paid for and start collecting while you can. I agree that the market would be a better place if the glitching and cheating stopped but people always exploit what they can. The GT5 team at polyphony has never made an online game like this before and their inexperience is showing. Maybe they will fix the problems but you shouldn't count on them to do so.

I also can't stand the people that go into a thread and start flaming about a birthday car just because it's a '67 and ruining someones trade. ANYTHING can be a birthday car and you can't do anything about it.

Actually I'm pretty sure you can not glitch any car. There's only a handful you can actually get from it.

 

[Steve_Jabroni]

The problem is that you can glitch any car and supply is way higher than demand. Only the noobs are glitching '67 cars, the smart ones are going for the rarest cars right now like the x1 and f2007. It may take them a day or two to get it but it'll still be faster than grinding or waiting for it to show up in the used car lot. I don't buy anything from the used car lot because I know it can be had here for so much less. Stop supplying the market with rare cars you've paid for and start collecting while you can. I agree that the market would be a better place if the glitching and cheating stopped but people always exploit what they can. The GT5 team at polyphony has never made an online game like this before and their inexperience is showing. Maybe they will fix the problems but you shouldn't count on them to do so.

I also can't stand the people that go into a thread and start flaming about a birthday car just because it's a '67 and ruining someones trade. ANYTHING can be a birthday car and you can't do anything about it.

Many cars CANNOT - cars without a year, such as the Citroen by GT Road & Race Car, Formula GT, F2007/F10, X1, etc.

I also tried for a few hours (4-5) one day to get a Bentley 8 Speed since I can't get it into the lot and couldn't get one, and everyone who wanted to trade for one flaked out. I know it's your favorite maxim that "LOL EVERY CAR IS A BDAY CAR GUIZ COME ON NOW!" but the simple fact of the matter is that only pre-1992 (and many of those years are hard), and 2008-2010 are viable years. Cars from 1993-2007 are still very rare indeed. So shhh, now.

 

[TT3AZ]

The problem is that you can glitch any car and supply is way higher than demand. Only the noobs are glitching '67 cars, the smart ones are going for the rarest cars right now like the x1 and f2007. It may take them a day or two to get it but it'll still be faster than grinding or waiting for it to show up in the used car lot. I don't buy anything from the used car lot because I know it can be had here for so much less. Stop supplying the market with rare cars you've paid for and start collecting while you can. I agree that the market would be a better place if the glitching and cheating stopped but people always exploit what they can. The GT5 team at polyphony has never made an online game like this before and their inexperience is showing. Maybe they will fix the problems but you shouldn't count on them to do so.

I also can't stand the people that go into a thread and start flaming about a birthday car just because it's a '67 and ruining someones trade. ANYTHING can be a birthday car and you can't do anything about it.

Allthough I agree, different cars have different values to people, many people wont collect all the cars, just the cars they like, and in that case they will trade rare cars for less rare ones, and thats the beauty of the tradin system, hence it would be more cooler if we could pay credits for cars. Now, its like you allways have to give up a rare car just to get another, and that is the dark side.

 

[imaROBOT_]

Wow big guy, making fun of a couple very minor grammatical errors I made which are nowhere near as bad as:



DBAD

LOL for actually caring. I'm not the one flaunting my degrees around bro.

 

[rileyra]

LOL for actually caring. I'm not the one flaunting my degrees around bro.

^^^

1. proclaiming you had X degree Is all about ego
2. a "computer science degree" is very vague and therefore it's value is questionable. It could be a 2 year degree(which are a dime a dozen) or a graduate degree which might then merit an "ooo ahh"
3. *fist pumps* for NY


edit: i know that's actually jersey but hey yer close

 

[TT3AZ]

Really, the only "degree" that would matter in this case for me, is if some one could make a new way to get easy cash

 

[sems4arsenal]

I say let the B-day glitchers trade amongst themselves. Us with the real cars, know what's worth what.

I agree why would you care about what someone else's game just enjoy yours.I will not do this it is a nice feature from PD but some less gifted players who want easy and quick money do it.

 

[MatskiMonk]

If any glitchers want to send a car my way feel free! #42 Chevrolet NASCAR would be good

 

[Ya Pops]

LOL for actually caring.

 

[Tommy_861]

As written before, less good and immature players can get those cars on a legal way, you dont have to be pro just to get an GT40, you could actually been gifted that car from a nice player, so your argument doesn't hold for one quid. And yes, now that you could get those cars on your birthday they arent worth so much for trading, and whose fault is that? Its PD because they invented the birthday stuff from the first beggining. There are also less rare cars that are more powerful and hard to drive with than the ones you mentioned. There are still many cars that are very rare, but just not the 20 millions because we can get them thru birthday exploit. So what, we must live with that, real enthusiasts dont care how "rare" their car is, if they like the car they like it, end of discussion. I Would never pay 20 millions to get a crappy car just beacuse its rare, and therfore i dont care if any one else has one. I have about 5 Supras RZ which considers to be rare in this game, so what? Do you think supra fans will hate me because of that?

We exploit the system because the gift system is rather plain and bad for doing business. If we would have a auction house we would do the trading in the "right" way because we would pay with money, and not with cars worth 50 times more. The cars in this case have becomed the money, and people who were smart enought figured out they could get the really rare cars by offering 20 million exploited cars to others.

Why do you thin this "Market" thread is the secons biggest in gt5 forum? Well i think because players have seen a opportunity to share and trade stuff they can't obtain from the game in that moment. That shows PD something that must be focused in the future also.

Its not PD's fault that people are exploiting a way around a feature in the game (and violating the PSN TOS to do it).

And who are you, or any of us to decide how a "real enthusiast" feels about the cars and how the game runs. All i have done is present my opinions and hopes which are in contradiction to yours and others. I feel that my opinions are in the spirit of how I feel the game was designed and sold. I support it with the fact they don't design games to have their faults exploited.

This all comes back to a lot of opinions here is this is how YOU feel the game should function, and some people agree with you so therefore you are right.

The game is not without faults, we can all agree on that, also I agree that the online trading aspect is great. But your argument falls apart when you talk about the online trading system with credits (good idea), and justify it with "stealing" cars that you are equating to credits to do it is the same as if there was an online trading system you described and someone used a money glitch. Which based on what you are saying, you'd be against.

Something only has value when it is in demand and not easily attainable. If I trade 10 cars for a glitched car because I don't know any better and I think its worth it, and someone else only trades one, I am a sucker and the value of the glitched car is crap. Your credits argument goes out the window.

 

[Ya Pops]

If any glitchers want to send a car my way feel free! #42 Chevrolet NASCAR would be good

When I have a window, you can have that montoya 👍.

 

[TT3AZ]

I really think PD shood take away the one car per day limit, its silly, and only shows that their servers are weak.

 

[Tommy_861]

LOL for actually caring. I'm not the one flaunting my degrees around bro.

All I did was qualify my opinion as slightly knowledgeable on the subject, I didn't say I got all A's (I absolutely didn't) or a 4.0 GPA (not even close). You're the one who took a discussion of my OPINION about something and turned it into a personal attack. Then you make a post like this trying to be all cool and aloof like you're above it all. Wow you're cool... bro.

 

[Tommy_861]

^^^

1. proclaiming you had X degree Is all about ego
2. a "computer science degree" is very vague and therefore it's value is questionable. It could be a 2 year degree(which are a dime a dozen) or a graduate degree which might then merit an "ooo ahh"
3. *fist pumps* for NY


edit: i know that's actually jersey but hey yer close

1) no it isn't I was qualifying my comment... my OPINION
2) it isn't a 2 year degree, but to save you from my "ego" I'll leave it at that.
3) Its only 3:40 PM, I don't fist pump till after 9 pal.

 

[rileyra]

*hugz*

 

[TT3AZ]

1) no it isn't I was qualifying my comment... my OPINION
2) it isn't a 2 year degree, but to save you from my "ego" I'll leave it at that.
3) Its only 3:40 PM, I don't fist pump till after 9 pal.

Fist pump? Is it some kind of sexual stuff you do over there or what?

 

[Killa Cali]

Fist pump? Is it some kind of sexual stuff you do over there or what?

lol

 

[Lavaman]

Lol

 

[Tommy_861]

Fist pump? Is it some kind of sexual stuff you do over there or what?

if the chick is freaky enough

 

[TT3AZ]

if the chick is freaky enough

I dont understand I live in conservative Sweden, we don't have chicken here...

 

[imaROBOT_]

Thread is going way off topic .

Anyway.. bro. It wasn't a personally attack, take it easy. It's my opinion.