The market is now dead

[TT3AZ]

One thing is sure, we all want money and cool cars. PD constrain us from having all that, and implemented dangerous grinding so the game would last longer. If they wanted the game to last longer whey would focus even more on the online parts, because thats the future nowdays. Look at counter strike, it have survivied thanks to the online play. People are social creatures, and we want to have fun with others, but not with AI.

As many other say, you don't make the game last longer if you implement grinding, but if you make the game fun. If the game was perfect we wouldn't be exploiting the system right?

This trading thing in gt5 is especially hard for us who was coming from the forza community, because we were used to trade and handle big amount of cash.

 

[Aumakua]

Avatar was a joke back in the day when i was part of the honda fanclub genius.

Self righteous? Do you even know the meaning? All i have done is express my opinion that the birthday glitch has ruined the marketplace...

Ruin the game for yourself all you want but to flood the place with expensive cars you could only have cheated to acquire.



You have obviously no idea what you are talking about, the target market is certainly not kids, which is actually got nothing to do with my point.

On the XBOX 360 any known exploiters get banned as they ruin games for other people for not playing the way the game is intended.

Are you seriously saying PD made this game for people to cheat?





I'm not even going to respond to this as its utter junk

obviously you don't understand how business works, what do you think their target age is for the game, I am not talking who Kaz intended it for, I am talking who PD knows buys the game! I would say its 14-21 which I consider kids! most people over 21 don't buy video games anymore because they don't have the time.

and why do you think companies put cheats in the game? I am not saying the birthday glitch was meant as a cheat but in the past GT has had cheats available. If they really cared about the birthday glitch they could have fixed it by now (it would be pretty simple to change the code to only allow birthday gifts to the level of the player and not allow trading the gift, only allow you to redeem it, meaning all gifts would be level 0 cars for cheaters)...

Honda fan club, really? Honda?

 

[barryl85]

An auction house (among friends) would be a nice addition. I only say, "among friends" because I would rather see the PSN used for better online game play and not waste network resources on a worldwide trading community arena. Trading cars where PD or PSN rather, would act as a escrow holder of the goods until both parties agree to the terms of the trade would also be nice.

If you think of the original intention of the Market place, it was designed to trade cars among 'friends', people you trust, people you know. It wasn't designed to be PD's version of ebay. It wasn't designed to be your personal auto store front.

Clearly the Marketplace is an important part to progressing through the game, due to the lack of generosity of cars in the used car lot, winnings, and dealership vehicle availability. PD wants you to utilize the Market Place to acquire cars you need to keep going. There are other ways, of course, to acquire what you need, but the path isn't as linear as it has been in past GT series releases.

Some great ideas there Pako !

Auction house among friends would be an awesome idea, could be auction rooms with passwords and you could put up a list of cars you are willing to trade.

 

[Steve_Jabroni]

*Ahem* Bets are Good ol' Honda humper is younger than the people he calls kids.

I'm 26 personally, one dude is 32. I am guessing Good ol' Barry is single too, since he gets his panties in such a twist over something that affects his game in no way whatsoever.

 

[JoshUK]

One thing is for sure, If they Patch the Backup-possibility, it will get more worse !!!

 

[TT3AZ]

I think it is silly that people write, "im 32, i have wife, kids, etc, etc" how can this information be important in game, or online racing? Its the virtual world, i dont care how old you are. Its like you old guys writing it just to justify the fact that you haven't grown up really.

 

[GeekCred]

You sir are ignorant, PD did not make this game for little kiddies to cheat there way through it.

I was genuinely looking forward to trading cars on here and now its pointless as little kiddies are offering there exploited 20mill credit cars for anything nice i'd want to trade for.

So wait, you're upset because people won't trade with you and your "legitimately" earned cars? Just wait and grind away eventually you'll get them. Since you love the grind and aren't in any hurry I don't see the problem.

 

[Pako]

If you love to race, what's the problem? The only time it feels like a grind is when it's boring, doing mindless laps around and around. What makes a race boring to me? Racing in a car that's completely out of the class I am racing against. If I remain competitive, it's just good racin'. Doesn't feel like a grind at all. It's fun, exciting, and have some really good GT experiences to remember.

I guess, getting back on topic, the only way I think the Market Place is ruined is if I start to feel my efforts in the game are for not, because I worked for my cars and they didn't.

I could really care less how someone else got their car. I am in no position to trade 20mil class cars, I'm not even close to being there. I will say, that when I am, I will have had hours upon hours of great racing memories to get me to that point. If the person I'm trading with spent an afternoon exploiting a glitch to the get the car I want to trade, that's their loss, not mine. I would rather spend my time racing, not creating multiple accounts, ect. If I remember right, I bought the game to race, not to find what I can exploit to cheat myself out of some great racing experiences.

 

[TT3AZ]

One thing is for sure, If they Patch the Backup-possibility, it will get more worse !!!

Yes, the posibility will be that people will be adding 600 milion to their account, and that is a problem you can't deal with, shady business occures in all games. The good part is that you can back up your game progress if your "advanced and stable" ps3 will die. How fun is it to loose all the progress of 6 months gaming? Or maybe PD want you to start over all again so the game will "last" longer, very smart PD and Kaz, the japanese thinking can be hard to understand for a person like me.

 

[sesselpupser]

That's like saying guns kill people. People kill people, and people killed the market.

That's kind of what I was saying, I think I might have missed this bit out (my first post was huge, so I took a lot out) but I was going to say, if I didn't, that the exploit is only harmless if the person using it basically never trades a car, whether it's one they directly exploited the game to get or one bought with money they got from selling the exploit cars. You could say that people do kill people, but might not if guns didn't make it so easy.

Am I the only one who didn't do the Birthday Glitch? Personally, I waited way too long to try and finish this game in a weekend. I want it to last for a long, long, time. I guess the extra time in the drivers seat for Cr. and Exp. doesn't really bother me,

Me neither, but I was suggesting that PD, if they felt it needed attention, could rebalance the levelling system. Although I'm at level 25 A and B-Spec so I may not gain much from this, they could possibly even extend the level cap and add new events and such. The fact that this game was so long in the making yet people have already hit level 40 suggests to me that they've done something wrong... Not that we should have to work even harder for level 40, rather that it could maybe have a higher level cap.

you guys need to get a life, its a video game! ruined the "marketplace"? ITS A GAME!!! What game out there doesn't have cheats? I have never played one that doesn't. you can choose not to use it if you don't want. and you don't have to trade your 40,000 credit car for a P4 if you don't want to!

You can tell when someone is grasping at straws, can't you?

Of course I don't have to trade a P4 for anything, you've missed the point, those of us who do have lives don't have time to waste by exploiting the game, we'd rather play it, so when we've raced and raced to save up the cash for a car, only to trade it with someone who bunked school to do the birthday exploit to amass several million credits or a load of valueless cars, THAT is what has killed the market.

It comes down to this: I've earned my money and cars fairly, you haven't. I don't want to help you get the cars you want.

 

[Pako]

Age of members has no credence in this discussion. Maturity level is not synonymous with age, especially in a gaming community.

Back on topic please.

 

[Steve_Jabroni]

That's kind of what I was saying, I think I might have missed this bit out (my first post was huge, so I took a lot out) but I was going to say, if I didn't, that the exploit is only harmless if the person using it basically never trades a car, whether it's one they directly exploited the game to get or one bought with money they got from selling the exploit cars. You could say that people do kill people, but might not if guns didn't make it so easy.



Me neither, but I was suggesting that PD, if they felt it needed attention, could rebalance the levelling system. Although I'm at level 25 A and B-Spec so I may not gain much from this, they could possibly even extend the level cap and add new events and such. The fact that this game was so long in the making yet people have already hit level 40 suggests to me that they've done something wrong... Not that we should have to work even harder for level 40, rather that it could maybe have a higher level cap.



You can tell when someone is grasping at straws, can't you?

Of course I don't have to trade a P4 for anything, you've missed the point, those of us who do have lives don't have time to waste by exploiting the game, we'd rather play it, so when we've raced and raced to save up the cash for a car, only to trade it with someone who bunked school to do the birthday exploit to amass several million credits or a load of valueless cars, THAT is what has killed the market.

It comes down to this: I've earned my money and cars fairly, you haven't. I don't want to help you get the cars you want.

Hate to burst your bubble, but you don't own anything I want. And I haven't glitched anywhere near as much as many have.

 

[sesselpupser]

Age of members has no credence in this discussion.

Right you are, I was merely using school as an example, school children tend to have more free time for gaming and the like than those with jobs, mortgages, serious relationships and such.

Hate to burst your bubble, but you don't own anything I want. And I haven't glitched anywhere near as much as many have.

What I'm willing to trade and what I have are different things, but that's not even the point.

This market that has been set up on GTP will eventually turn into people trading nothing but birthday cars, because anyone can get them, no one wants to trade things they've earned for things they can get for themselves for free.

 

[diegorborges]

I'm in the group of people that don't do the Birthday glitch.

And TT3AZ, you only talk about Forza, Forza features, all the time, all over the place. Are you actually playing GT5 buddy?

I think that except for the B-day glitchers, the whole marketplace works well. Did several trades and they went really well.

 

[Pako]

It comes down to this: I've earned my money and cars fairly, you haven't. I don't want to help you get the cars you want.

I understand what you're saying.

My thought is this. People that want to show off their cars using exploits want the notoriety of being special but don't have the patience, energy, or skill to earn it. They are looking for the one moment when they can feel special and have their friends and online peers look at them and say, "Wow, you are awesome!". They want these things without working for them because they feel they are divinely entitled to these things.

In short, the only thing I feel for these people is sympathy. It, in no way, affects me or my enjoyment in the game. I would feel different I suppose if I were racing online and their birthday glitch exploits gave them a competitive advantage, but that hasn't happened to me yet. It would be different if GT was a FPS where an exploit allowed them to shoot around buildings, through walls, or bullet proof body armor, but we just aren't there with GT.

Just about every race, I am in direct competition with my own times with every lap or check point. That's the fun for me, trying to figure out how to shave another .01 second of my last lap.

Right you are, I was merely using school as an example, school children tend to have more free time for gaming and the like than those with jobs, mortgages, serious relationships and such.*snip*

That wasn't directing that at you, but thanks for that clarification.

 

[jtownboy]

*EDIT* Someone covered what I said earlier in the thread.

 

[diegorborges]

I understand what you're saying.

My thought is this. People that want to show off their cars using exploits want the notoriety of being special but don't have the patience, energy, or skill to earn it. They are looking for the one moment when they can feel special and have their friends and online peers look at them and say, "Wow, you are awesome!". They want these things without working for them because they feel they are divinely entitled to these things.

In short, the only thing I feel for these people is sympathy. It, in no way, affects me or my enjoyment in the game. I would feel different I suppose if I were racing online and their birthday glitch exploits gave them a competitive advantage, but that hasn't happened to me yet. It would be different if GT was a FPS where an exploit allowed them to shoot around buildings, through walls, or bullet proof body armor, but we just aren't there with GT.

Just about every race, I am in direct competition with my own times with every lap or check point. That's the fun for me, trying to figure out how to shave another .01 second of my last lap.



That wasn't directing that at you, but thanks for that clarification.

That's a really good way of thinking, but I can't have much sympathy for these... well, I'll just keep playing my way. Thats it!

 

[Ya Pops]

It comes down to this: I've earned my money and cars fairly, you haven't. I don't want to help you get the cars you want.

Despite the fact it helps you get the cars that you want?

Door swings both ways.

 

[Aumakua]

You can tell when someone is grasping at straws, can't you?

Of course I don't have to trade a P4 for anything, you've missed the point, those of us who do have lives don't have time to waste by exploiting the game, we'd rather play it, so when we've raced and raced to save up the cash for a car, only to trade it with someone who bunked school to do the birthday exploit to amass several million credits or a load of valueless cars, THAT is what has killed the market.

It comes down to this: I've earned my money and cars fairly, you haven't. I don't want to help you get the cars you want.

What? that makes no sense, birthday gift glitch takes a lot less time than grinding in the game. I spent 2 hours using the birthday gift glitch, got the cars I wanted, traded ones I didn't for more I did want. and now am playing the game without having to repeat any races, much much faster than replaying races over and over again.

 

[TT3AZ]

I'm in the group of people that don't do the Birthday glitch.

And TT3AZ, you only talk about Forza, Forza features, all the time, all over the place. Are you actually playing GT5 buddy?

I think that except for the B-day glitchers, the whole marketplace works well. Did several trades and they went really well.

Yes man im very active in the gt5 community aswell. I was very active in the forza cruising world, and im hoping to be so in the gt world aswell.

 

[Aumakua]

I understand what you're saying.

My thought is this. People that want to show off their cars using exploits want the notoriety of being special but don't have the patience, energy, or skill to earn it. They are looking for the one moment when they can feel special and have their friends and online peers look at them and say, "Wow, you are awesome!". They want these things without working for them because they feel they are divinely entitled to these things.

In short, the only thing I feel for these people is sympathy. It, in no way, affects me or my enjoyment in the game. I would feel different I suppose if I were racing online and their birthday glitch exploits gave them a competitive advantage, but that hasn't happened to me yet. It would be different if GT was a FPS where an exploit allowed them to shoot around buildings, through walls, or bullet proof body armor, but we just aren't there with GT.

Just about every race, I am in direct competition with my own times with every lap or check point. That's the fun for me, trying to figure out how to shave another .01 second of my last lap.



That wasn't directing that at you, but thanks for that clarification.

I agree about the racing part, I bought this game to race and thats what I do, using the glitch was a way for me to get the cars sooner as I only have a few hours each week to play, otherwise I could pretty much say I would never get to drive as I don't have time to grind for 2 hours every day to earn credits.

As far as doing it to make myself feel special, um not sure what to say to that, none of my friends play this game and I don't give a crap what people online think of me, so no I wouldn't say that has anything to do with it, of course it may for others...

I will also say even though I used the glitch, I tried not to kill the market place, I never came on and offered 10 different nascars for anything you were willing to give me... But the reason people were doing that is nascars are basically worthless as is any other car priced at 500K or more credits because we can't sell them.

If you want to get birthday glitchers out of the marketplace it would be simple, PD just needs to allow you to sell ALL cars, and they would dissappear, most of them just want something they can sell, not other cars (they could just use the glitch again for them!)

 

[adam46]

Age of members has no credence in this discussion. Maturity level is not synonymous with age, especially in a gaming community.

Back on topic please.

It is at my school, all my freinds have completed GT5 with the birthday glitch. As someone pointed out earlier, pepole my age (I'm 13) have more time on our hands, but most pepole of my age group lack paitence. This is probably why COD is popular in my age range (constant level-ups, etc).

 

[TT3AZ]

I would say that when you studdy at high school , college, university etc, you dont't have so much time to play.

 

[Christian_C]

I can pretty much safely say that 95% of the people who are defending the 'birthday glitch' actions are those who have used it or profited from it, therefor your opinions are worthless and massively biased.

 

[Pako]

I agree about the racing part, I bought this game to race and thats what I do, using the glitch was a way for me to get the cars sooner as I only have a few hours each week to play, otherwise I could pretty much say I would never get to drive as I don't have time to grind for 2 hours every day to earn credits.

As far as doing it to make myself feel special, um not sure what to say to that, none of my friends play this game and I don't give a crap what people online think of me, so no I wouldn't say that has anything to do with it, of course it may for others...

I will also say even though I used the glitch, I tried not to kill the market place, I never came on and offered 10 different nascars for anything you were willing to give me... But the reason people were doing that is nascars are basically worthless as is any other car priced at 500K or more credits because we can't sell them.

If you want to get birthday glitchers out of the marketplace it would be simple, PD just needs to allow you to sell ALL cars, and they would dissappear, most of them just want something they can sell, not other cars (they could just use the glitch again for them!)

In reference to this comment.

The reward, or the fun part, is when you can show all your cool cars and drive online with your friends. Solo racing is nothing for me, and i hope PD will realize that in the future.

It only applies to you if it applies to you.

 

[Ya Pops]

I can pretty much safely say that 95% of the people who are defending the 'birthday glitch' actions are those who have used it or profited from it, therefor your opinions are worthless and massively biased.

Well that settles it then

 

[Addiosamigo]

Some good comments and views here people, I really started something!

All valid though and everybodys entitled to their opinion, but the fact of the matter is the market is dead!

I wasn't having a go at people, you can play the game how you like, I was merely pointing out that there is no longer a market, as everybody can't compete, and the rare cars are worthless now!

And by the sounds of it a lot of people agree!

 

[Joey D]

Is the market place ruined? Sure but I think it's more from the poorly constructed posts with awful spelling and text speak. So there are like 4 or 5 cars that you can get through an exploit if you set the birth year to 1967. That still leaves what? Over a thousand cars that you can still trade.

I did the birthday exploit to get the Ferrari because I wanted to drive it. I didn't have access to it in arcade mode and I wanted to rip around the track in it without grinding hundreds of races. I don't plan on trading it and I plan on enjoying it's virtual representation.

All I want to do is spend my credits on lower end cars which provide a ton of entertainment. There is either the choice to grind and save for 1 car or to grind and spend on several cars. In the end I'm going to spend rather then save so I can have fun racing the cars I want too.

And I don't see how how someone using an exploit is spoiling your fun. If that's how they want to use the product then let them. It isn't hurting you.

 

[imaROBOT_]

I can pretty much safely say that 95% of the people who are defending the 'birthday glitch' actions are those who have used it or profited from it, therefor your opinions are worthless and massively biased.

You haven't done it or profited from it, therefor your opinion is worthless and massively biased.

How does a birthday glitch trading a car ruin the marketplace. It actually does the opposite. There are now more cars on market to trade with/for therefor the marketplace is growing. Plus isn't there only a few cars you actually get by doing the glitch? It's not like you can get every car in the game doing it.

 

[Pesmerga7551]

I never have done it, nor want to. I'll get my cars how they were meant to. Also, I hope PD patches it, so it deletes peoples B-day cars. You should get B-Day cars, but it should not be able to be traded. I hate how people did it for all the cars. Pathetic.