The McLaren F1... erh... P1 Thread

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My hat is off to Lamborghini for conning 3 people into buying an Aventador with a Mansory-esque body kit for 10x the normal price.
My hat is off to people who risked quite a lot of money on an extremely rare car as an investment, hoping that it will become even more rare and valuable in the future which it probably will. My hat goes off to people with more money than you who actually understand economics and investment. If you can manage a logical argument against investment and money-making then my hat will go off to you as well.
 
That worked out so well for Jaguar with the XJ220...

From what I read, the owners all bought the car before even seeing it. Speculative buying based on faith. Sounds like a really great plan to me... I guess I'm not cut out for the high-risk investment world, because I wouldn't dream of doing such a thing. I'm confident the Veneno will appreciate like you say (see Reventon & Sesto) but I feel it's only because it was expensive to begin with.
 
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Whether it works out for the car company is a non-issue because they're not the ones buying the car as an investment. I did also use the word "risk" which is an integral aspect of investment which must be considered by the investor. Not every deal works out.
 
Whether it works out for the car company is a non-issue because they're not the ones buying the car as an investment. I did also use the word "risk" which is an integral aspect of investment which must be considered by the investor. Not every deal works out.

Yes, but they are relying on their customers (the ones who are giving them money) to perceive the car as an investment. If they don't, then they won't be able to sell them. Which is what happened with the XJ220...

many XJ220 customers were unable to complete their purchase, compounded by the rise in price from £361,000 to £460,000 as a result of index-linking of their contracts. Some 75 speculators attempted to back out of their commitments, either because they were no longer able to afford them, or because they did not think they could sell the car on for a profit.

Lamborghini has obviously learned from this and is limiting these profit-monsters to just a few cars each, and compensating by multiplying the price. I suppose you can always get a couple of buyers, no matter how poor the economy is. The logic is all sound...it's the ethics that I question.

Ok, one more example and I will stop wasting everyone's time.
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-ne...type-auctioned-for-1705-million-ar106676.html

That article is from a few years ago when a Miura SV Prototype (likely more rare than the Veneno, but actually historically significant) and it sold for a little over $1 million. Likely the most rare of the most significant Lamborghini ever, a true 1 of 1, and it's FOUR TIMES cheaper than this new thing, which isn't really significant at all. I wonder if anyone at Lamborghini actually considers the Veneno as worth the money they are charging? Like I said, everything they are doing is logical and you can't fault them for doing it, I suppose, but I still find it a little disturbing.

Annnnd I'm done.
 
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That article is from a few years ago when a Miura SV Prototype (likely more rare than the Veneno, but actually historically significant) and it sold for a little over $1 million. Likely the most rare of the most significant Lamborghini ever, a true 1 of 1, and it's FOUR TIMES cheaper than this new thing, which isn't really significant at all.

Define significant. Also, the Miura isn't cheaper, it simply only generated half the price at an auction. It had no price tag.
 
Not a fan of the front. Looks a bit like someone who has a mental problem and is constantly leering/grinning just a bit too widely. Love the rest of the car though, the rear is pretty awesome with wing deployed.
 
It did occur to me that the high cost could be a reflection of the R&D. So the question is, did they invest $12 million (this assumes no profit at all) into the Veneno program? I doubt it, but perhaps?
 
Hang on, isn't ts thread aut the McLaren P1? Shouldn't the Veneno discussion be, I don't know, in the Veneno thread? I know it's not my job to say that, but I'd like to get back on track.

Does anyone have any idea of the colours that this car will come in, and how many different colours we can see it in at the moment?
 
Hmmm that's a good point. Most of the press photos have been, I think, Volcano Orange. I really want to see one in traditional Mclaren Orange. I adore that color.

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The Macca's detailing is just about tits.

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Beautiful.
 
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That worked out so well for Jaguar with the XJ220...
Three issues here.

1: The XJ220 was not meant to be a limited edition.
2: The car was originally meant to have a V8 among other things that enticed buyers originally.
3: The world economy sucked for all supercars, the McLaren F1 included.
From what I read, the owners all bought the car before even seeing it. Speculative buying based on faith. Sounds like a really great plan to me... I guess I'm not cut out for the high-risk investment world, because I wouldn't dream of doing such a thing. I'm confident the Veneno will appreciate like you say (see Reventon & Sesto) but I feel it's only because it was expensive to begin with.
You're even more clueless if you don't think these guys weren't briefed beforehand on what the car would include or look like in drawings.

Yes, but they are relying on their customers (the ones who are giving them money) to perceive the car as an investment. If they don't, then they won't be able to sell them. Which is what happened with the XJ220...
Again, this is a 50th Anniversary model made to celebrate the date. The XJ220 was not. It was a flop.

Ok, one more example and I will stop wasting everyone's time.
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-ne...type-auctioned-for-1705-million-ar106676.html

That article is from a few years ago when a Miura SV Prototype (likely more rare than the Veneno, but actually historically significant) and it sold for a little over $1 million. Likely the most rare of the most significant Lamborghini ever, a true 1 of 1, and it's FOUR TIMES cheaper than this new thing, which isn't really significant at all. I wonder if anyone at Lamborghini actually considers the Veneno as worth the money they are charging? Like I said, everything they are doing is logical and you can't fault them for doing it, I suppose, but I still find it a little disturbing.

Annnnd I'm done.
Four times cheaper?

Goodness, your math is as bad as Stotty's. Tell me where a $1.7 million car is four times cheaper than $4 million. Or that $1.7 million is a little over $1 million?

The other problem with your post is that there is nothing on the car that sets apart from any other Miura SV other than it is the first. Rare of rare? The rarest of rare Miuras are the 2 SVJ Spiders, which ironically, neither of them sold for $1.7 million (though their price now-a-days is rumored to be over it but will never be released). The last reported price was just over $1 million in 2008.

Thank god you're done, though. Continuously proving you don't really know a thing about this car, but won't call out Ferrari for doing the same. Instead, you just exaggerate everything as an attempt to justify your posts. In reality, it's just sheer bias against the car based on the price alone without being able to come up with an actual legitimate thought. :rolleyes:
 
It did occur to me that the high cost could be a reflection of the R&D. So the question is, did they invest $12 million (this assumes no profit at all) into the Veneno program? I doubt it, but perhaps?

Why would you ask that if the car is the same a an Aventdor just reskined with an aero package, as you suggest. 12 million R&D would be asinine if they are just going to boost the engine -which isn't even worth a million dollars to do- and then put a sophisticated yet over the top body kit on the car. I say this using your premise that the car isn't new.

Also 12mil. number is from where? R&D numbers aren't exactly reciprocal to price tag. If they were Toyota/Lexus should have had a very hefty price tag to their SC 400 due to the 1uzfe that was R&D cost at $400million dollars a record.

Anyways I hope that more people (big names) bring out hybrid-hyper cars to compete with the F70 and Mclaren
 
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Awesome. I'm really liking the P1. Even the MP412c is a beast, whether you like it or not. Thing can run a 10.5 1/4 stock. The P1 is going to be a force to be reckoned with.
 
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Perhaps its just me, but shouldn't the thread title be changed now that we know this is not a "new F1"?
 
We might have some issues with that, given that the OP was made by a member who hasn't posted since last July.
 
If I were worth billions I'd still buy a McLaren MP4-12c before this. That should say alot about what I think about this car
 
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