The McLaren F1... erh... P1 Thread

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I doubt even the P1 will be able to run a 6.33 on road legal tyres :lol:

No way is it faster than the Zonda R on road legal tires. I'm with Organ-Donor on this one.

It's not out of the question...

The P1 is built by a company running a full F1 program... it has fully active aero and suspension. The Zonda is wild, but remains relatively conventional other than the slicks.

More power and more downforce (probably?) give it a chance... running on something like MP Super Sports it might have a chance of going sub 6.50 and matching the Zonda.

Also, 6:33 is only a few seconds slower than a Porsche 956 at the hands of Stefan Bellof.

Bellof ran a 6.11 in the 956.
 
You don't think Niki Lauda was at full pace when he set the pole at the 1975 German Grand Prix?

edit: I see now that the track was configured a little differently and slightly longer.

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The *current* record on the newer layout is done at half pace, nobody is that foolish nowadays...
 
I said "If so" and yes. The time is absolutely stunning! I would love to see how this hybrid hypercar war plans out.

Did you read the update at the bottom of the article? It doesn't appear to be a case of if, more a case of it's not a real time.
 
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If it can get below 7 minutes then it will be the quickest road car around for a very long time.

The Radical SR8 has been laughing at the second place holders for years now. And then there's Caparo. And Ferrari. SSC claims to be gunning for the record too, but they haven't said much on cornering.
 
The Radical SR8 has been laughing at the second place holders for years now. And then there's Caparo. And Ferrari. SSC claims to be gunning for the record too, but they haven't said much on cornering.

That is true, a lot of people don't consider those as true street cars though since they have the bare minimum requirements to be considered street legal.

I guess you can add Pagani to the list as the Zonda R did i believe a 6:48.

For SSC to even consider gunning for the record they would need to incorporate adjustable aerodynamics or a setup similar to that of the Saleen S7. I think as it is now it will definitely be the fastest American car around if they took it there.
 
A Radical is no less a street car than a low-slung exotic that can't exit a parking garage without getting high-centered on the way out.

It does lack air-conditioning, though... but last I looked, that's not a requirement for street-legality.
 
That is true, a lot of people don't consider those as true street cars though since they have the bare minimum requirements to be considered street legal.
People don't consider it one, but that doesn't really change things. If I remember, it drove to the Ring, used the worn tires to shatter the lap times of every other road car, and then went home on the same tires.

I guess you can add Pagani to the list as the Zonda R did i believe a 6:48.
That's not a road car.

For SSC to even consider gunning for the record they would need to incorporate adjustable aerodynamics or a setup similar to that of the Saleen S7. I think as it is now it will definitely be the fastest American car around if they took it there.

They don't strictly need adjustable aero, but it would help. And with the SSC's power and a possible weight advantage (the Aero was a bit under 3000 lbs if I'm remember correctly) the SSC could get a bit more with the same level of downforce, or possible go for more downforce without hurting its acceleration.
 
People don't consider it one, but that doesn't really change things. If i remember, it drove to the ring, used the worn tires to shatter the lap times of every other road car, and then went home on the same tires.

I mean i consider it a road car if its legal, but i was referring to the other people who don't. Guess it's too Radical for them.

That's not a road car.

What Ferrari were you referring to in your previous post then? I was assuming you meant one of the XX cars.

They don't strictly need adjustable aero, but it would help. And with the ssc's power and a possible weight advantage (the aero was a bit under 3000 lbs if i'm remember correctly) the ssc could get a bit more with the same level of downforce, or possible go for more downforce without hurting its acceleration.

Maybe they could sell an aero-pack for it that lowers the top speed but increases cornering ability, alongside the high speed version.
 
I don't. I think it looks much slimmer, lighter and more exotic with the carbon areas. I mean, that was the whole purpose of that design choice.
 
A Radical is no less a street car than a low-slung exotic that can't exit a parking garage without getting high-centered on the way out.

It does lack air-conditioning, though... but last I looked, that's not a requirement for street-legality.

It's a Radical&hellip; with the road fripperies added on. Like wing mirrors from a Mini. Odd choice :-/
 
It's a Radical&hellip; with the road fripperies added on. Like wing mirrors from a Mini. Odd choice :-/

No worse than Lamborghinis, Astons and McLarens with headlights, tail-lights and side-mirrors cribbed from cheaper cars, or "exotics" with GM/Ford/whatever wiper stalks and door handles, or the infamous cross-eyed Morgan with the MINI headlights.

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I like the sides in carbon. But I'm wonder what the front bumper would look like if they actually gave it some color...
 
No worse than Lamborghinis, Astons and McLarens with headlights, tail-lights and side-mirrors cribbed from cheaper cars, or "exotics" with GM/Ford/whatever wiper stalks and door handles, or the infamous cross-eyed Morgan with the MINI headlights.

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I like the sides in carbon. But I'm wonder what the front bumper would look like if they actually gave it some color...

I'm not bashing the Rads. Just so you know.

Also, I imagine it'd look odd as with the 12C with a coloured bumper.
 
Yeah, the silver makes the connection to the F1 easier to visualize. I like it, even if it doesn't look as light as the normal carbon bits.
 
The MP12C with the P1 kit looks so much better than the regular car - but those wheels look massive, are they 21's?

Although I'm not a fan of Hypercars in general, for me, the P1 is by far the pick of the recent releases from a styling perspective. It just looks much lighter and delicate when compared to the Ferrari and Pagani.
 
McLaren P1 ‘XP2R’

The silver P1 has the inscription “XP2R” on both its flanks, located just above the side skirts and ahead of the rear wheels.

McLaren, of course, uses the “XP” nomenclature to denote its experimental prototypes. The number “2” in the inscription is likely to signify that this is the second prototype vehicle of its type, but it’s not clear what the letter “R” stands for.

Perhaps it’s a new version being developed by the McLaren GT department for racing enthusiasts or perhaps it’s a new P1 limited edition with even more potency than the regular P1. Then again, we could simply be looking at one of the final prototypes for the regular P1, though the engineers accompanying the car, including McLaren chief tester Chris Goodwin, were said to have been a little nervous when our spy photographer showed up.

Apart from the inscription, the silver P1 looks much the same as any other version of the car previously shown.

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