The McLaren F1... erh... P1 Thread

[Stotty]

This design has really grown on me... the yellow car looks absolutely stunning 👍

There is one area that really grates every time I look at it... the way the top and bottom of the door panels don't seem to meet up properly behind the front wheel arch... it just looks wrong in the pictures.

Oh, and it looks a bit weak around the rear when the spoiler isn't 'deployed'.

To me though, it's a much nicer overall result than the Ferrari... far more organic.

 

[DeathSmiles]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=z9Vd4nUj5W0#!


Chris Harris on at Gevena. He is particularly hard on the Veneno. lol

Love this guy, tho. He's always honest, and that's what I like about him.

 

[Prototyp3]

I hate to say it as a huge Mclaren fan but I think Ferrari out designed them this round. The F150 looks so much better then the P1. (Also the letter "P" just isn't a sexy letter)

I'll wait for final verdict until I see the P1 in more colors but right now the F150 is the clear winner (in terms of aesthetics) to me.

 

[Ddrizle]

Skip to 7:12 minutes in and.....

Sub 7 min Nordschleife time. It's going to be the fastest car in the world. We're very very confident, no one is going to get anywhere near the performance of this vehicle.

The front end of this car looks like it's wearing a huge mouthpiece.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Alot of talk from Mclaren .

 

[Dan_]

To me though, it's a much nicer overall result than the Ferrari... far more organic.

Agreed.

It looks more purposeful and detailed, more engineered to go along with the airflow rather than designed to be purely pretty. I really appreciate that.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

I have always been a huge fan of Mclaren but I just dont like the front of this car at all. The rest looks great. However I feel Lamborghini is winning with the new supercar battle with the Veneno. Visually that car is incredible. Just my opinion.

 

[Stevisiov]

2g+ of cornering force.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I have always been a huge fan of Mclaren but I just dont like the front of this car at all. The rest looks great. However I feel Lamborghini is winning with the new supercar battle with the Veneno. Visually that car is incredible. Just my opinion.

Seriously? Allow me to criticize your opinion.

The Veneno is an Aventador with an ecu retune, a horrendously awful body kit, and a price tag FOUR TIMES HIGHER than any of the competition, and they are only building four. You could buy the P1, the F70, and every single model of Lamborghini ever for the price of one Veneno. If you seriously want that look, you could buy an Audi R18 and then easily have enough money to race competitively for a year or attempt to make it road legal. And in this case, you would wind up with an actually good car. To think that Mclaren, Ferrari, and Porsche have been slaving away from the better part of a decade, each, to reach the pinnacle of performance and yet still offer their cars at a, relatively speaking, fair price while most undoubtedly losing a lot of capital to fund the effort and produce a production run of these super machines...and then you have Lamborghini slapping a truly disgusting price onto an equally disgusting design project. The P1 and F70 are in a different universe of performance, development, and technology, and the Porsche is probably faster and better engineered as well.

My absolute dream would be that simply nobody buys any of those vile monstrosities. Of course, the middle east exists, so they will.

The next 'special' Lamborghini will cost $10 million. Where does it end? Oh yeah, it will end in a speculative-buying disaster like in the late 1980s, which genuinely hurt the supercar market for the better part of a decade.

 

[xNEVER-ONEx]

Seriously? Allow me to criticize your opinion.

The Veneno is an Aventador with an ecu retune, a horrendously awful body kit, and a price tag FOUR TIMES HIGHER than any of the competition, and they are only building four. You could buy the P1, the F70, and every single model of Lamborghini ever for the price of one Veneno. If you seriously want that look, you could buy an Audi R18 and then easily have enough money to race competitively for a year or attempt to make it road legal. And in this case, you would wind up with an actually good car. To think that Mclaren, Ferrari, and Porsche have been slaving away from the better part of a decade, each, to reach the pinnacle of performance and yet still offer their cars at a, relatively speaking, fair price while most undoubtedly losing a lot of capital to fund the effort and produce a production run of these super machines...and then you have Lamborghini slapping a truly disgusting price onto an equally disgusting design project. The P1 and F70 are in a different universe of performance, development, and technology, and the Porsche is probably faster and better engineered as well.

My absolute dream would be that simply nobody buys any of those vile monstrosities. Of course, the middle east exists, so they will.

The next 'special' Lamborghini will cost $10 million. Where does it end? Oh yeah, it will end in a speculative-buying disaster like in the late 1980s, which genuinely hurt the supercar market for the better part of a decade.

All valid points in the realm of the real world, but you realize that the reason the Veneno costs what it does is because there is a "exclusivity" allure to it. Its not meant for 99.99% of the people in this world, rather its meant for the other .01% to battle over it show their wealth. You don't buy the Veneno because its good value, you buy it because only 3 other people in this world have it, and at that price, its a little more exclusive than some other hyper cars.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

All valid points in the realm of the real world, but you realize that the reason the Veneno costs what it does is because there is a "exclusivity" allure to it. Its not meant for 99.99% of the people in this world, rather its meant for the other .01% to battle over it show their wealth. You don't buy the Veneno because its good value, you buy it because only 3 other people in this world have it, and at that price, its a little more exclusive than some other hyper cars.

I am aware of, and disgusted by this notion. The excercise is really no different than the Reventon, which was already a ludicrously priced car, and yet they are asking a price nearly half an order of magnitude higher. At this point, Lamborghini has become contemporary art, and nothing more. This strategy is not sustainable; they will fall hard and I believe their reputation will be poorly hurt by it in the future. But maybe not, maybe the world is so screwed up that people will just continue to buy this ****.

 

[xNEVER-ONEx]

I am aware of, and disgusted by this notion. The excercise is really no different than the Reventon, which was already a ludicrously priced car, and yet they are asking a price nearly half an order of magnitude higher. At this point, Lamborghini has become contemporary art, and nothing more. This strategy is not sustainable; they will fall hard and I believe their reputation will be poorly hurt by it in the future. But maybe not, maybe the world is so screwed up that people will just continue to buy this ****.

Highly doubt it, cars like these are not what companies thrive off, instead they are simply Halo cars which attract potential customers into show rooms. For Lambo makes the real dough selling tons of (relatively speaking for a luxury brand) Gallardos, not 3 Venenos. Your trying to rationalize the purpose of the Veneno when your not really meant to.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

It's simply because I hate the idea of it. So naturally, I want it to fail.

 

[McLaren]

Seriously? Allow me to criticize your opinion.

The Veneno is an Aventador with an ecu retune, a horrendously awful body kit, and a price tag FOUR TIMES HIGHER than any of the competition, and they are only building four. You could buy the P1, the F70, and every single model of Lamborghini ever for the price of one Veneno. If you seriously want that look, you could buy an Audi R18 and then easily have enough money to race competitively for a year or attempt to make it road legal. And in this case, you would wind up with an actually good car. To think that Mclaren, Ferrari, and Porsche have been slaving away from the better part of a decade, each, to reach the pinnacle of performance and yet still offer their cars at a, relatively speaking, fair price while most undoubtedly losing a lot of capital to fund the effort and produce a production run of these super machines...and then you have Lamborghini slapping a truly disgusting price onto an equally disgusting design project. The P1 and F70 are in a different universe of performance, development, and technology, and the Porsche is probably faster and better engineered as well.

My absolute dream would be that simply nobody buys any of those vile monstrosities. Of course, the middle east exists, so they will.

The next 'special' Lamborghini will cost $10 million. Where does it end? Oh yeah, it will end in a speculative-buying disaster like in the late 1980s, which genuinely hurt the supercar market for the better part of a decade.

Are you seriously insinuating that for the price of a Veneno, you could purchase a R18 & run it for a full season?

I'm sorry, but it's hard to take what you're posting seriously when it's clear you're over exaggerating. It's not a mystery why the people who continue to call the Veneno an Aventador with "just a body kit" are also the people with little to zero knowledge of the car to begin with. The fact you compared this to the Reventon (which really was a Murcie. with a different skin) or equate this car's performance without nothing to suggest what it's capable of seems to adequate proof enough. What's even more hilarious to me is that you praise McLaren & Ferrari for their work, yet they build what are essentially custom one-offs for the same price as the Veneno.

Pot meet kettle?
http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/eric-clapton-ferrari-sp12-ec-458-italia-2012-05-28
A $4.7 million 458.

http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/mclaren-x-1-custom-supercar-makes-first-only-204316295.html
I doubt this costs anywhere less than $3 million.


Too many people looking at the price & suddenly trying to compare this to anything else. Helps if they actually did their homework, but then that would require effort, & that's just too much for some.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Those are just as bad. But they may do whatever they wish with their money.

I just picture the board of directors or whoever, at Lamborghini, laughing their asses off when they sell the last Veneno. It's $4 million dollars because somebody will pay it, no other reason. That shouldn't be motivation for an honest company trying to show that they can compete with the best. And I like Lamborghini... Lack of taste or appreciation for value is the worst side effect of capitalism...

 

[Exorcet]

It's $4 million dollars because somebody will pay it, no other reason.

That's the reason why everything is priced the way it is.

 

[Ranman20]

Those are just as bad. But they may do whatever they wish with their money.

I just picture the board of directors or whoever, at Lamborghini, laughing their asses off when they sell the last Veneno. It's $4 million dollars because somebody will pay it, no other reason. That shouldn't be motivation for an honest company trying to show that they can compete with the best. And I like Lamborghini... Lack of taste or appreciation for value is the worst side effect of capitalism...

I'm totally with you. Know what looks and performs better than a Veneno. A Hennessy Venom will destroy in the straits and I bet on tracks as well. Remember its a tuned streched lotus. Lotuses are good cars.

 

[Exorcet]

Remember its a tuned streched lotus. Lotuses are good cars.

It's not a Lotus at all.

Also, I don't really remember Lamborghini giving out details on the car's track performance, just top speed. The car could be very capable on the track.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

That's the reason why everything is priced the way it is.

Until you get into speculative buying, which distorts and ruins everything. Greed replaces taste, quality, and honesty.


I suspect it will be about the same as an Aventador, but slightly faster.

Agan, this is to the Aventador what the Reventon was to the Murcielago.


Anyways, this is a Mclaren thread! Go Mclaren!

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Why does someone always bring a Hennessy into this...Now I have to absolutely agree with McLaren that you seem to be hard pressed for knowledge when it comes to exotic cars, would hate to see you carve it out with more everyday vehicles. Also for those who have been more proactive with car news (busy with school and family), does anyone know if Mercedes have a supercar plan that would also run hybrid technology from F1?

 

[McLaren]

I'm totally with you. Know what looks and performs better than a Veneno. A Hennessy Venom will destroy in the straits and I bet on tracks as well. Remember its a tuned streched lotus. Lotuses are good cars.

The Venom's downfall is that it's built by Hennessey.

Agan, this is to the Aventador what the Reventon was to the Murcielago.

It really isn't, again, if you look at the details of the car. The Reventon was unfortunately, a re-skined Murcielago with a new instrument panel.

This car isn't that; there is actual effort here. They didn't use the same materials they did with the Aventador in a new shape. This car features all the technology & carbon fiber they developed on the Sesto Elemento, which makes the Veneno a combination of it & the Aventador. The Reventon doesn't have that.

It has the same tub, but it's full carbon fiber. The Forged Composite is all new. The engine is the same base, but more power, retuned & a new camshaft. The wheels are similar to what they attempted with the Reventon to act as turbines, though these will be much more effective. The aerodynamics are all fully functional & should create a massive difference.

The thing to remember most is that's a car built to celebrate their 50th Anniversary, that's it. It's outlandish & insane, but that's what people seem to like about Lamborghini; they had zero intent on producing this thing like the P1 or LalalalaFerrari. It's a big birthday gift from the company that 3 rich blokes will get to have too.

 

[xNEVER-ONEx]

The Venom's downfall is that it's built by Hennessey.

It really isn't, again, if you look at the details of the car. The Reventon was unfortunately, a re-skined Murcielago with a new instrument panel.

This car isn't that; there is actual effort here. They didn't use the same materials they did with the Aventador in a new shape. This car features all the technology & carbon fiber they developed on the Sesto Elemento, which makes the Veneno a combination of it & the Aventador. The Reventon doesn't have that.

It has the same tub, but it's full carbon fiber. The Forged Composite is all new. The engine is the same base, but more power, retuned & a new camshaft. The wheels are similar to what they attempted with the Reventon to act as turbines, though these will be much more effective. The aerodynamics are all fully functional & should create a massive difference.

The thing to remember most is that's a car built to celebrate their 50th Anniversary, that's it. It's outlandish & insane, but that's what people seem to like about Lamborghini; they had zero intent on producing this thing like the P1 or LalalalaFerrari. It's a big birthday gift from the company that 3 rich blokes will get to have too.

Basically, the Veneno is to the Aventador as the Evo is to the standard Lancer.

 

[Beeblebrox237]

That's a bit harsh, the Veneno looks quite different from the Aventador.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

The greenhouse is the same. You can see the similarity here.

The Veneno looks absurd. In a bad way. Marcello Gandini must be sick.

 

[DeathSmiles]

The greenhouse is the same. You can see the similarity here.

A greenhouse, that is built on the same tub housed within it. Why wouldn't it be the same?

 

[Beeblebrox237]

The Veneno looks absurd. In a bad way. Marcello Gandini must be sick.

I can agree with this!

 

[Brutaka]

The Venono looks a lot like an LMP, it makes me wonder what Lamborghini can really do with their cars.....
The P1 looks "extreme." The only Motorsports series that i think it would be eligible for is GT1 and the Le Mans series.

 

[RACECAR]

The greenhouse is the same. You can see the similarity here.

So based solely on the greenhouse and nothing else, its the same. Seriously? You pretty much got a whole heaping info of why this car isn't a "reskinned" Aventador and yet based only on the greenhouse, you continually insist its the same thing.


Also, Is it absurd? Yes but in a bad way? I disagree. Its Lamborghini, "absurd" is what people best know Lamborghini for.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

So based solely on the greenhouse and nothing else, its the same. Seriously? You pretty much got a whole heaping info of why this car isn't a "reskinned" Aventador and yet based only on the greenhouse, you continually insist its the same thing.


Also, Is it absurd? Yes but in a bad way? I disagree. Its Lamborghini, "absurd" is what people best know Lamborghini for.

Well, if the greenhouse is the same, that pretty much guarantees that the bodyshell is the same, which means that the unibody is the same. In addition, the engine and gearbox is the same. Same unibody + Same engine = same car with a different body/interior. My hat is off to Lamborghini for conning 3 people into buying an Aventador with a Mansory-esque body kit for 10x the normal price. Yes it's a little lighter, and yes it's a little more powerful. But making it 10 times more expensive for that?

I'm not being fair, the Mansory body kit is beautiful next to the Veneno.

I hate it on every level. And that's the last I'm gonna say.

 

[DeathSmiles]

U be straight trippin'.

None of your conclusions make any sense. It's as if you think you say something enough times, it would somehow become fact, or something.

The cars aren't the same.

Steve Wonder could tell you that.