The Most Confusing Motor Racing Event of All Time

[Napalm_LT]

Sad news indeed ... they messed up with PC3 but PC2 will always be a gem within the PS4 environment.

Since Gran Turismo has zero appeal (to me anyway) I guess probably I'll end up following the PC way as so many others did. Problem is, I like to "plug and play" and have no patience for ... updating drivers and all that nonsense

I agree every word. Maybe we are soul tweens?

 

[IfAndOr]

No, I'm not sure what to do either. I've been considering upgrading my wheel to the new Logitech G Pro but there's getting less games to use it with!
I can't see myself going back to PC. I've moved on from that a good while ago and, like you, I prefer the convenience of a console.


GT7... I'm not sure of. I might give it a go sometime.

Assetto Corsa 2 is in development and will probably come to console. Eventually.

ACC is pretty good as a simulation but is limited in it appeal due to its focus on GT racing. Very nice to drive though and it's worth a try. PS5 has private lobbies, PS4 doesn't. (I find the game much better overall on PS5)

I really like PC3, it certainly fits the "plug and play" description. It's a great drop in and play title but retains much of what we are used to in PC2 - but done differently! Again, worth a try when it's on sale. Much smoother and stable on PS5 though.

 

[Napalm_LT]

I've been considering upgrading my wheel to the new Logitech G Pro

I don't know if you are interested in this, but Fanatec has a superb deal - Podium F1 for 1299 € and the bundle with clubsport V3 pedals for 1499 €.

EDIT. Hmm, Fanatec website erorr - to many buyers o someone just hacked website

 

[Zolon32]

Brothers, a wise man recently contacted me and said words to the effect of "Look Zo, I understand that you are so amazingly gifted that you didn't notice this, but the Pagani Cinque is an absolute pig."

He was correct in at least one respect. So, following the bit of a cock-up with the handicapping at Brno, I feel that I need to address the issue. It is with this in mind, that I am now declaring that the Porsche 911 will be the handicap car at Banockballs for the first race. Those who are not in the top three of the score table can use the Porsche, Ford GT or the Ferrari 458. They're all ace.

For the second race the Renault is the handicap motor, and it's a lot slower than the Honda, which might make things interesting.

@half_sourly @IfAndOr @richroo @tal @Don Mejillone @Hun200kmh @Madbigdog

Does Beach watch the thread, does anyone know? And can someone please pass the message on to Reaggee.

Cheers chaps, Zo.

 

[IfAndOr]

Probably a good choice @Zolon32. It's not so much that it's a pig, it's just that it's very quick and the corners approach more rapidly!

Oooh I like the Porsche. Although I presume I'm not supposed to. 🙂

You don't need to tell Raggee, he'll of course be in the Ferrari.

 

[Hun200kmh]

Now I notice I didn't do my quick recap of last monday's race! So here goes:

Came into these Brno races without any practise but I love Brno so I thought I'd adjust and learn as I went. And it went rather well, although I wasn't expecting Paul to suddenly become "Mr. Brno" and smoke the competition as he did!

Race 1 - Group 5

Quali - Using the BMW, I got pole position, but have a confession to make.

About half way into the session's 20 minutes I already had my tyres destroyed (maybe I was overdriving the car in the first laps, I don't know ...). Was sitting in 2nd on the grid, behind Paul (in a fricking Capri!) and decided I needed fresh tyres to be able to try again (with the original set might as well park the car and head for my first beer while waiting for the session to end).

So, what did I do? I pitted for real, setting pit strategy to "no fuel, no damage repair, soft tyres". This allowed me to have a second go with tyres as fresh as the ones from the previous attempt but ... you guessed it ... very light on fuel

So, that was it. Pole Position on my first race after a 3-week hiatus. I'm goooood!

Race - Made a mess of it in the 2nd lap (I think) and got demoted from 1st to 4th, clawed my way back to 2nd but Paul was simply unbeatable (I don't recall laptimes but he was clearly the fastest of us all) so I just watched the gap steadily increasing until the end. Well done Paul!



Race 2 - Group C1

Quali - Since there was a supposed handicap in using the Porsche (as dictated by the organizer, himself handicapped by his own rule) and I had no idea how these cars would do in Brno, I went for the Sauber. No matter what I did, however, I was at the end of the grid when quali was about to finish, and the same was happening with Duarte. Wondering if the rules of this championship would allow for a car-swap between quali and race (suspecting a collective NO would be the answer from the poor handicapped trio that co-organize this shambles ) I was saved by a fortuitious disconnect by the head of this napolitan-like collective, odd event that had as consequence that a new lobby had to be open and a new, albeit 5 minutes only, quali was then decided. Now driving the Porsche I managed a mid grid position (5th? 6th? not sure) that wasn't too bad considering I had no previous experience of this car and only two flying laps to decide how to drive it!

Race - Time flies and I'm old so I don't remember much of this race. Duarte (wisely did the same as I and switched for the Porsche) had a commanding win, only Mr. Brno managed to keep him in check all race long. I was far behind in 3rd (really can't remember how I got there ... ) and towards the end of the race had Zolon in 4th (again, no idea what happened that made him be behind me) charging and closing the gap. Thankfully the race ended before he could get me. And that was it, a 2nd and a 3rd place, not too bad!

Cheers all

 

[IfAndOr]

It's true, I do like Brno.

behind Paul (in a fricking Capri!)

It was a 1600cc model as well. It was the GT version with a push button radio and cassette player though. Plus a heated rear window!

During testing I was quicker in the Sauber than the Porsche. No really I was.

 

[tal]

Hi @Zolon32 ,

Which are the cars for the 2nd race in Scotland? I don’t seem to find a Honda on Road F.

 

[IfAndOr]

Which are the cars for the 2nd race in Scotland? I don’t seem to find a Honda on Road F.

Ah yes, now Zo probably hasn't thought of that. The Honda is part of the Japanese pack. It seems you haven't got that - and you can't get it now because it's delisted from the store. A problem!

 

[tal]

Ah yes, now Zo probably hasn't thought of that. The Honda is part of the Japanese pack. It seems you haven't got that - and you can't get it now because it's delisted from the store. A problem!

Would I still be able to play with the Renault? If so, than I can use that one.

 

[IfAndOr]

Would I still be able to play with the Renault? If so, than I can use that one.

Yes the Renault is open to all. 👍
It's just the (faster) Honda that the top 3 can't use.

 

[Zolon32]

Which are the cars for the 2nd race in Scotland? I don’t seem to find a Honda on Road F

Ah yes, now Zo probably hasn't thought of that.

Hi Hartur, sorry I didn't see this sooner, and thanks for taking up the slack Paul.

Hartur, since it's impossible for you to use the Honda, then you can use the Renault, or even the Mitsubishi, if you would like. I haven't driven it, but judging by the performance of AI with it, it's probably not as quick as the Renault, but I just thought I'd give you the option in your position. I didn't realise that there would be people who couldn't get the Honda when setting this up .

Another thing I didn't realise, chaps, is that for some reason the Ford doesn't always start with enough fuel to complete an eleven lap race. Grrrr. So, for Bannochwhatever, fuel use will be switched off. Mario wants to use the Ford. He said he didn't mind using the Ferrari, which doesn't suffer this problem, but then sent me a picture of him holding a puppy over a cliff edge, with the caption "It's your choice." So, no fuel use it is...

 

[Hun200kmh]

It's an adorable puppy, isn't it?

Ok, so this is a weird bug and I found it by accident. This weekend somehow nobody was around to play some PCars2 so I was left to my own devices. And since PCars2 allows you an infinite amount of "devicing" I setup a Bannochbrae 11 laps RoadB offline race with pretty extreme settings, meaning:

• FULL damage
• AI set at 100 skill/100 aggression
• No quali, me starting last (20 car grid)

In offline I can setup the car but decided against it. In any case I checked the fuel and that's when I noticed that the car 's tank had to be topped (72 ltrs) to last 11 laps.

The experience was fun, I learned patience was needed but didn't find the AI to be crazy, if anything I thought them to feature more realistic behaviour than when I set them at 20 aggression. Oh and I didn't win (came 3rd in the end, with damage of 9 at the front and 5 at the back), I did overtake about half the field but all other positions I gained due to AI pitting, I assume because of damage!

However, this led me to check just how much fuel the Ford would have at the start of a 11-lap race in online mode and with setups locked. and it's less than 40 ltrs, no matter what setup I choose (stable/loose/road). THis is a bug I had never noticed or heard about before but whatever I tried it was inescapable. Oh and I checked, no such bug with the Ferrari (didn't test the Porsche but Zolon tells me that one also starts with enough fuel for 11 laps). Therefore starting the race with the Ford wasn't an option and I was headed for the Ferrari (and thought about a warning post here) but then met Zolon and sent him the puppy picture, to great effect!

Cheers all, meet later!

 

[IfAndOr]

the Ford doesn't always start with enough fuel to complete an eleven lap race.

That's the one for Duarte then I would think?

And yes I'd let Mario drive the Ford. The Ford Escort.




See you later. I must get a little practice in beforehand.

 

[Madbigdog]

That's the one for Duarte then I would think?

Last time out I seem to remember losing by some 20 seconds to the leader on the 1st race, and just barely winning the 2nd race from the same person who won before... Based on that, I'd say there's someone else out there more deserving of such a handicap

 

[half_sourly]

My app did not capture the results of the first race. If someone has them would they please put them here.

 

[Hun200kmh]

Quick recap

Race 1 (Ford GT) - This was a start to flag win, but never a moment to rest. Duarte had pole position but was slower off the line so I (2nd on the grid) managed to lead out of corner 1. In that 1st lap he spun and I got a somewhat decent lead (couple of seconds) over the pack. Hartur came through to second place and so for a big part of this race I had that menacing black Ferrari in my rear view mirror, closer than what I liked him to be! But then, past midrace, he also spun. And this left Duarte again in second but the distance was already too big to be a menace (I was my only enemy really, one mistake and it would be game over). Thankfully I survived and got the win. Long live the puppy!

PS - surprised by so many picking the worst car possible (the Porsche). Clearly the Ferrari and the Ford were the better cars here.

Race 2 (Honda Civic) - To be honest, I didn't like this car and this race! Again Duarte made pole, again I was 2nd on the grid, and I followed him for a while (Napalm in 3rd) but then this happened:
a) Duarte spun
b) I managed to avoid him but in doing so I went off into a grass excursion
c) the game interpreted all this as me going off track to overtake and commanded me to slow down and give the position back!!!
d) So I slow down, Duarte also slows down because he doesn't want to overtake me (because he had lost position due to his own spin). And I have to tell him, "go on or else I'll get a DQ!!!!"
e) While all this is happening and we are both trying to figure this out Napalm comes charging at full speed - probably unanware of what was happening - and tries to overtake us both going slowly into the town's chicane (with Duarte finally overtaking me there)
f) So Napalm crashed heavily there and then. And (rage)quit the race and lobby

After this the race was messy for me. Many mistakes, I took some time to learn how to avoid them and to learn how to drive (especially how to corner) with this car. I think I ended 4th, behind Duarte, Zo and hartur. But could easily have been a 5th, beachboy was driving at a fast pace and got very close in the end.

Cheers all, onwards and upwards to Road America next week, another one of my favourite tracks! And to drive the 917 ... oh dear oh dear

 

[IfAndOr]

"go on or else I'll get a DQ!!!!"

Actually I don't think you do. I believe you "only" get a time penalty for not returning the place.

If someone has them would they please put them here.

I uploaded a couple of screenshots over on the PSN thread, it was easier. But if you'd like them on here, let me know.

 

[Zolon32]

commanded me to slow down and give the position back!!!

The system isn't sophisticated enough to know who you have to give the place to Mario. It doesn't matter who comes past you, just as long as you do drop to No (whatever) in the pack.

 

[Oldbass47]

Quick recap

Race 1 (Ford GT) - This was a start to flag win, but never a moment to rest. Duarte had pole position but was slower off the line so I (2nd on the grid) managed to lead out of corner 1. In that 1st lap he spun and I got a somewhat decent lead (couple of seconds) over the pack. Hartur came through to second place and so for a big part of this race I had that menacing black Ferrari in my rear view mirror, closer than what I liked him to be! But then, past midrace, he also spun. And this left Duarte again in second but the distance was already too big to be a menace (I was my only enemy really, one mistake and it would be game over). Thankfully I survived and got the win. Long live the puppy!

PS - surprised by so many picking the worst car possible (the Porsche). Clearly the Ferrari and the Ford were the better cars here.

Race 2 (Honda Civic) - To be honest, I didn't like this car and this race! Again Duarte made pole, again I was 2nd on the grid, and I followed him for a while (Napalm in 3rd) but then this happened:
a) Duarte spun
b) I managed to avoid him but in doing so I went off into a grass excursion
c) the game interpreted all this as me going off track to overtake and commanded me to slow down and give the position back!!!
d) So I slow down, Duarte also slows down because he doesn't want to overtake me (because he had lost position due to his own spin). And I have to tell him, "go on or else I'll get a DQ!!!!"
e) While all this is happening and we are both trying to figure this out Napalm comes charging at full speed - probably unanware of what was happening - and tries to overtake us both going slowly into the town's chicane (with Duarte finally overtaking me there)
f) So Napalm crashed heavily there and then. And (rage)quit the race and lobby

After this the race was messy for me. Many mistakes, I took some time to learn how to avoid them and to learn how to drive (especially how to corner) with this car. I think I ended 4th, behind Duarte, Zo and hartur. But could easily have been a 5th, beachboy was driving at a fast pace and got very close in the end.

Cheers all, onwards and upwards to Road America next week, another one of my favourite tracks! And to drive the 917 ... oh dear oh dear

Referring to Porsche/Ferrari in the 1st., race of the evening! I did pick the Ferrari then someone said couldn't use it so changed to Porsche. Just saying.

 

[half_sourly]

Standings after round 4:

 

[Madbigdog]

The system isn't sophisticated enough to know who you have to give the place to Mario. It doesn't matter who comes past you, just as long as you do drop to No (whatever) in the pack.

Yeah, the problem was I was second, the position was supposed to be handed to the car in second place, and I wasn't really planning on passing.

While we were going up to the chicane between the two houses, @Hun200kmh (aka Flat Twelve haha) was slowing down to let me by, and I was still getting up to speed after my 360º spin. I didn't really want to pass for position as I felt it wasn't fair, but even if I wanted to, I wasn't planning on going side by side into that chicane, I was going to do it afterwards so we wouldn't end up crashing and causing a pile up there. So when I caught up, already near the chicane, I cut the throttle to stay behind, and that's when I heard the "pass me or I DQ".

I sped up immediately, which resulted in the both of us going slowly (relative to others), side by side, into the chicane, which was what I wanted to avoid.

I assume @Napalm_LT was coming up the hill full beans, reached the chicane at the same time as we did and while looking for the space to fit in there between ourselves and the wall, crashed.

It was just one of those incidents where everything that could've gone wrong, just did go wrong and, unfortunately, this two-car mishap became a pile-up.

Anyway, I'm sorry to all who were involved, and onwards we go!

Next event seems very promising

 

[IfAndOr]

Next event seems very promising

Have you tried the Lotus yet? 😉

 

[Madbigdog]

Have you tried the Lotus yet? 😉

Here I was, all excited to drive the 917... Forgot about the handicap

I have never driven the Lotus, but if you're asking, I sense trouble

 

[half_sourly]

We're off across the water to Road America. A tricky circuit that flows once you get it, but isn't at all easy to get. The cars will be the Porsche 917 and Lotus 40 from Vintage Proto B, followed by the V8 Supercars.

So it is 917 for all bar top 3 in race 1. Can we (not top 3) use any V8 supercar in race 2?

 

[IfAndOr]

Can we (not top 3) use any V8 supercar in race 2?

I think you'll find there is only one V8 Supercar, the Ford FG Falcon. So therefore the second race won't have any handicapping.

I sense trouble

You do have to plan well ahead for the corners!

 

[Napalm_LT]

@Zolon32 second race finishes to late for me. Is it OK I will do the first race only in this chanpionship?

 

[half_sourly]

Maybe the qualifying sessions could be shorter to accommodate an earlier finish?

 

[Napalm_LT]

Maybe the qualifying sessions could be shorter to accommodate an earlier finish?

Thanks for advice, but ten people don't have to suffer one can't atend. And another thing - I don't remember championship I did every race. So my possition in the championship isn't important and to do only first race is a better option for me.

 

[Zolon32]

second race finishes to late for me. Is it OK I will do the first race only in this chanpionship?

You are perfectly welcome to come and go as you please Napalm. I do agree with Half though. I'm quite confident that most of us would rather make the whole thing a bit shorter, to allow you to attend without having to stay too late, than have you miss out.