The Must Have Upgrade for any Logitech G Wheel Owner

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I got mine in the mail today and i ordered it tuesday. So thats only 4 days to the Netherlands !

I am going to install it right now i only got one question. Do i need to recalibrate the wheel and pedals after installation because of differences in travel length or not ?

Btw i will be using it on ps3 with GT6
Short answer, no. On the ps3, the wheel calibrates when you first start the game, the first time after that point that you press each pedal, they will calibrate. The point that you stop us the point it will use as the max value, meaning that if you press the pedal half way, then half way will be seen by the game as fully pressed. If after that point however, You press further and it will recalibrate to the next lowest position. So, if you do not press your pedals before a race, then when you get on your brakes for the first corner, your whole braking sweep will be full brakes.
 
Do i need to recalibrate the wheel and pedals after installation because of differences in travel length or not ?

Btw i will be using it on ps3 with GT6

As @Rallywagon said, GT6 is self calibrating. The GTEYE spring does not reduce pedal travel so the software does not know it`s there. It can be used on any platform in any game without interfering with the calibration.
 
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But I'll take the opportunity. I've not to recently built a full rig to race in, and often wear shoes, since it's in my basement, gets pretty cool down there. Do you think the juice would be worth the squeeze to perhaps make a spring with the same progression but a step or two stiffer?
 
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But I'll take the opportunity. I've not to recently built a full rig to race in, and often wear shoes, since it's in my basement, gets pretty cool down there. Do you think the juice would be worth the squeeze to perhaps make a spring with the same progression but a step or two stiffer?
Would be cool to see some pics of your rig, can you tilt the pedals or change your seating position to simulate a firmer brake? Making the spring stiffer means a full redesign, next available material for me is 3mm and this would reduce pedal travel up to 6mm, reducing the amount of turns in the spring increases the stress to unacceptable levels. The current design is really in the sweet spot and ticks all the boxes both performance and technically.
 
Would be cool to see some pics of your rig, can you tilt the pedals or change your seating position to simulate a firmer brake? Making the spring stiffer means a full redesign, next available material for me is 3mm and this would reduce pedal travel up to 6mm, reducing the amount of turns in the spring increases the stress to unacceptable levels. The current design is really in the sweet spot and ticks all the boxes both performance and technically.

While I can't vouch for that "sweet spot", decreasing pedal travel is a non issue. For GT6 at least, the logical travel is measured every time you press the pedal and is re-calibrated every time you press and exceed the previous limit, I'm guessing, until the physical limit is hit. So, if the spring limits pedal travel, it won't matter to GT6 since that physical limit will always be the max logical limit.

Did any of that make sense?

I'd be happy to test one, should you chose to develop a stiffer spring.
 
While I can't vouch for that "sweet spot", decreasing pedal travel is a non issue. For GT6 at least, the logical travel is measured every time you press the pedal and is re-calibrated every time you press and exceed the previous limit, I'm guessing, until the physical limit is hit. So, if the spring limits pedal travel, it won't matter to GT6 since that physical limit will always be the max logical limit.

Did any of that make sense?

I'd be happy to test one, should you chose to develop a stiffer spring.

Sure, offering different rate springs may not be out of the question.

But for me one of the real important design criteria was to maintain full pedal travel so as to not detract at all in any circumstance.

Its certain that no matter how the spring is designed, there will always be variance in opinion, some like a softer pedal, some like a firmer pedal. Going by all the feedback, the current design sits right in the middle of what most people perceive as perfect for them. The sweet spot also refers to the technical design perimeters in which the material stress levels of the spring are optimised whilst still begin able to deliver the intended dimensional and performance characteristics.
 
I can't speak for others, but I am of the opinion the current singular GTEYE offering is a definite and measurable improvement to the stock G27 brake spring. It's certainly made my in game braking better and I spend much less time sliding off the track now than I did with the stock spring.

Does it emulate a real car's brake pedal? In a real car the actual pedal travel limit is much greater than what the pedal travels with the back pressure of the hydraulic system that operates the brake cylinders, and is variable, from car to car and whether power boosters are used and how worn the pads are.

I also cannot speak to your customer satisfaction metrics, but I, for one, wouldn't mind a spring that achieved the above mentioned effect without costing me what a load cell mod does. The comparative cost of the GTEYE to a load cell mod was my deciding factor for getting one in the first place. I'm well pleased with the addition to my G27, but, this is not to say it couldn't get closer to that feel a real brake pedal has.

While developing one and sending it to me for testing would probably not be very cost effective, for the price point, I'd probably still buy one and see if I liked it better than the existing GTEYE I have installed. It's entirely possible you could develop an alternative that is simple yet would rival the feel you get from those more complicated load cells.
 
Oh, I can't argue against any point either of you make. The gteye is far and beyond the original spring, and still serves me well. Given the choice I would take the spring over most load cells as well, based simply on the fact that the ones I've tried had very little travel to them. I feel travel is as important as "pressure". When bare foot, the gteye delivers both in spades. Especially in regards to the gt series. But since stepping up to iRacing, and racing on a full rig (I'll grab some pics when the current upgrade phase is completed, adding a center console and a "tach" made from an old android phone) with shoes on, I feel I could use a bit more pressure, mostly on the second progression.
As for calibrating, DW, on a PC. That is easily done through the Logitech profiler. And most games have some sort of options for adjusting brakes as well. To be honest, even in misty of the other games I've played, the gteye springs progression still hits the sweet spot really well.
If it's not a trade secret, I'm curious what flavor steel you use. If it weren't so thin, I would try case hardening, but I have a feeling it wouldn't work as well as I would like, perhaps though a slightly different alloy combination would work in effectively stiffening, but not cause the part to become brittle.
 
Yeah I get ya Rally. The iRacing calibration works off physical limit, pretty much the same as GT6. It's just not automatically calibrated. You have to enter the calibration screen to set it. That is of course, after you've set things in the Logitech Profile software. This is one of the problems I have with iRacing, although not the biggest one. It's entirely to configurable and getting the combination of windows, logitech and iRacing settings in that aforementioned sweet spot, is just way to time consuming, all the while your looking for it, that subscription meter is ticking away and you're not driving.

But we're not here to talk about my beefs with iRacing.
 
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Just got mine in the mail today, can't wait to get home from work and install this gadget.
 
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If it's not a trade secret, I'm curious what flavor steel you use. If it weren't so thin, I would try case hardening, but I have a feeling it wouldn't work as well as I would like, perhaps though a slightly different alloy combination would work in effectively stiffening, but not cause the part to become brittle.

The choice of spring material or heat treatment will not influence the spring rate to any reliable degree. Changing material will only influence the tensile strength / stress tolerance. We already use what is referred to as Music Wire, which is a higher grade of steel that is commonly seen in other small compression springs.
 
Gteye
Any plans on releasing a throttle spring? Something just a hair lighter than the clutch? I use the clutch in the throttle now but it gets tiring after a few hours.
 
Gteye
Any plans on releasing a throttle spring? Something just a hair lighter than the clutch? I use the clutch in the throttle now but it gets tiring after a few hours.
Well I guess we could, who else feels the same? Do we have enough interest?
 
Well I guess we could, who else feels the same? Do we have enough interest?

I would be interested, currently I use the clutch spring in the throttle but find it can be a little heavy after around an hour of use, but the original spring is way too light for me, something in between would be perfect.
 
Or for something like the throttle spring: since the design is more standard could you maybe suggest specs for a replacement spring?
 
Upgrade is good, but...
Have installed it 4 months ago. in the begining all was perfect, but when I started to play more (10-12 hours/week) I started feel pain in the left foot ( I play in socks). And this pain I feel not only while playing, but all time :(
 
No more to pay, customs is generally not an issue for a small item such as this, we send many to UK, all arrive within a week.

Thank you so much, I'm planning on getting one after I get back from holiday :D
 
I saw that a few days ago. Man that's too much! Way too loud with all the cooling fans.

Oh I agree.. and WAY to costly!! almost $1000 dollars. That's crazy in itself!! I could just see way too many bad things happening and killing the life span of your wheel..!!
 
Aaaaaaaaaaaargh.. I bought my G27 second hand 6 months ago and went to install the GTEYE spring tonight but the previous owner has stripped one of the 2.5m pedal bolts so can't get the pedal plate off :banghead:
 

Just take small drill bit and drill that thing out? go to the hardware store and just buy another screw that sits flush recessed in the peddle!! to be honest with you if you don't use the clutch that much you could use one off that till you got another screw! that way you have two screws in your brake pedal which is more important I would believe and one holding your clutch on which will be just fine until you can get the right screw! just a thought!
 
Finally got the screw out, had to drill it out in the end but already had a spare bolt lying around that fitted which was a bonus.

Did find out why it had been stripped though as the previous owner of the G27 had already fitted a progressive brake spring to it :banghead:

Swapped in out for the GTEYE one at it feels much stronger than the one that was in it so it wasn't all for nothing.
I do get a click from the pedal on the way back up tho like the insidesimracing review mentioned.

(UPDATE - woohooo the click seams to have went away now after a few days)

Not tried in GT6 yet.. will give it a blast tonight hopefully.

Just to add it was a great service from GTEYE as the spring arrived quickly to the UK.
 
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