The new GT5 DLC just fails to deliver

[robrabbitman]

And before the peanut gallery says, "You don't have to buy the DLC to know if it is a good value,"

On a serious note, I haven't even bought the DLC as of yet and I think it's of a pretty decent value. 3 new tracks (and an oval.. yaaay.) seems pretty good to me. Granted in the grand scheme of things, it's 1/8-1/12 of the game price depending on what you paid, but at least they're still delivering, I get another 3 tracks which is a lot of potential fun (drifting, touge, serious racing) for what you guys are saying would cost you for a Big Mac or McNuggets. Well, at the end of the day, I'll still have my track to enjoy, and I won't get a heart attack because of it, either.

 

[Parker]

I've already got more than $5 worth from the track so I'm happy. If people don't think it's worth $5 then more power to them, I'll be playing the game and loving the track.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

If you really have given up on the game and have chosen to not play it, why seek out a topic in a forum such as this and throw in your two cents? Professional complainer? Like piling on? I mean, free country and all, but why bother? Just like our jilted lover, actions speak louder than words. Not to mention that rendering an opinion on a game or a piece of it that you no longer play (and thus one would assume having neither purchased nor interacted with the DLC) seems a bit ridiculous to me.

Some of us may have stopped playing GT5 or whatnot, but in the grand scheme of things, many of us are still Gran Turismo fans and will stick to the series to the end. So I don't see why we have to justify why we continue to post here just because we didn't think one particular game was the best.

Wrong, no. Useful...... There are many areas here in which to contribute. Someone who no longer plays the game or hasn't played the DLC rendering an opinion on said items, just seems a bit misguided to me.

And before the peanut gallery says, "You don't have to buy the DLC to know if it is a good value," I'll say this: If the DLC was a known quantity I would agree. You know what a Snickers bar tastes like and how much you do or don't like it. No way you're paying $10 for a Snickers bar.

DLC is a bit different. You don't know what the tracks are like until you are out on them (bet your next paycheck that the next set of seasonals/TTs has a Motegi race). Whether a car looks the same or not, its design characteristics, handling, set-ups may differ. I have wasted money on things in my life, no doubt. But I have also shelled out more than I wanted to for something I didn't think was worth it only find that I got my money's worth plus some.

This doesn't mean that we should not try make educated decisions about how we spend our money, but it does mean that we should at least have some first hand knowledge of what we are talking about before we start throwing out opinions. Do you have to do it this way? Of course not. You are, after all, entitled to your opinion. But if no one listens or respects that opinion, you might as well be yelling into the abyss.

I can agree with this, but only to an extent. I've driven on Motegi in GT4 and Forza and to be honest, it wasn't my most favorite track in the world. I don't need to play it in GT5 to say I don't think it's worth buying without time change/weather.

 

[thesuperfunk]

I just hope they don't plan to do this with all the other tracks from GT4 ... if they're charging such an amount they could have atleast included weather effects and a time cycle!

 

[XPH]

That Scion looks exactly like the GT 86. As I see it it's basically £3.99 for one track.

 

[PiRacingChamp]

Having Motegi is nice, altho we need so much more. The car is extremely unimpressive when there are already several under the Toyota banner, and so many others should be there (E30 M3, E36 M3, many classic Ferrari's, Older aston DB's, Austin Healey's, Noble, Porsche, more Maserati's, Superformance/Factory Five, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on). But wait! how 'bout 20-30 more Nissans.

 

[CorvetteConquer]

DLC FAILS TO DELIVER? MAKE YOUR OWN!

 

[A7X_GT5]

If people are happy to pay that amount for one track, good for them, and I mean that genuinely.

However, I don't feel that such a long break between this and the last DLC, and also considering that each DLC is getting smaller and more expensive, I don't personally consider that as good value for money.

I understand that the whole PD team work incredily hard, but there's also no denying that things have been horribly disorganized at PD too, over the past few years especially. For the first time ever, I am beginning to consider Forza as being better than GT, mostly in regards to the extra content that is available (much much bigger DLC packs), as well as what the game already shipped with (car customization etc).

I have been feeling for a while now that the ball has been dropped. I will still buy the Motegi circuit as I want to race on it, but I'm not exactly buzzed about the price or the fact that's all we're getting after this long of a wait. I can't really count the GT Academy cars as new vehicles either, as they're pretty much already available in the game minus the sticker on the door.

Here's hoping to a surprise DLC or download of some sort in the near future, or announcement on the progress with GT6.

And the comments telling people to get a job is plain rude and ignorant. For one, unemployment is very high and not due to the everyday guy's fault. Secondly, and in my case, just because I have a job, it doesn't mean that I should go ahead and spend my money without regard. All people should appreciate value for money, no matter how rich or poor you are. If like the guy above said, you're happy to spend 100 dollars/quid/euros on a bottle of beer just because you can, then more fool you.

Also, telling people they are wrong for being upset with the DLC for expecting too much, like simonk said, what's is actually wrong with not being particularly happy with what's offered? If I sat in a restaurant and the waiter said I would receive a tasty filling meal in half an hours time, and previously paid 10 dollars/euros for it, then I'm sure you'd be a little unhappy if the meal actually took 2 hours to arrive, was nothing more than a basic microwave meal (no weather or time change) and then asked 20 dollars/euros for it.

The best post in this thread so far

 

[machschnel]

Why wasn't Motegi in Gran Turismo 5 from the start?

*In Gran Tursimo 4

*Japanese

*Raced on by Super GT (which feature in GT5)

*Maybe not the most popular track, but I haven't really hear much hate for it either.



So essentially Polyphony took a track out, then put it back in a few years down the road.

Maybe that's why some people don't seem very content with the latest DLC - Motegi should never have been left out in the first place.

 

[nissanfanatic]

I'd say it has something to do with licensing. They may have had to leave it out due to some politics with the tracks owners/sponsors. I'd say that we will never know why.

Cant we just be happy that they are continuing to support fans and adding content almost 2 years after this game was released?

 

[counter345]

Why wasn't Motegi in Gran Turismo 5 from the start?

Um, if you haven't noticed, the game is barely 'finished' as it is. They didn't have the time to remodel a whole track.

 

[Welsh-Fury]

That Scion looks exactly like the GT 86. As I see it it's basically £3.99 for one track.

Well, we technically got FOUR track layouts for £3.99. A measly £1.00 per track or $1.25 USD.

What's not to like? We got a speedway, and three road circuits.

 

[lebes14]

Some of us may have stopped playing GT5 or whatnot, but in the grand scheme of things, many of us are still Gran Turismo fans and will stick to the series to the end.

I agree, I have played gt5 to the point where I have trouble focusing my attention on the same old everything, do I haven't played it much. However I'm a huge GT fan and I'm on this forum daily.

 

[thelvynau]

I agree, I have played gt5 to the point where I have trouble focusing my attention on the same old everything, do I haven't played it much. However I'm a huge GT fan and I'm on this forum daily.

Agreed i dont like how people think that just because you stop playing gt that you shouldnt be posting.

 

[KM964]

That Scion looks exactly like the GT 86.

Maybe because it's the exact same car, only for the North American market.

 

[I'm Motarded]

DLC FAILS TO DELIVER? MAKE YOUR OWN!

I think he has a future as a male model. I've never seen a games developer pose for more pictures than this guy.

The question is... "How does all this posing affect the development of GT5 DLC and/or GT6"

 

[PiRacingChamp]

DLC FAILS TO DELIVER? MAKE YOUR OWN!

Isn't it so offensive when someone has the audacity to disagree with the overlords? And I love GT5. I was just stating my opinion, which is what this thread is soliciting. God forbid anyone disagrees with PD. I am so sorry if I bruised your feelings. From now on, we'll all stand in lockstep and tow the party line. If we all just turn off our brains, all will be decided for us.

Since none can make their own DLC, your comment is illogical

 

[ajns73]

Isn't it so offensive when someone has the audacity to disagree with the overlords (and I love GT5, just stating my opinion, which is what this thread is soliciting)? God forbid anyone disagrees with PD. I am so sorry if I bruised your feelings. From now on, we'll all stand in lockstep and tow the party line. If we all just turn off our brains, all will be decided for us.

Furthermore, GT5 is not open-sourced, so your 'comment' is illogical.

Isn't it so offensive when agreeing with the "overlords" gets you branded as "The Man?'

Whether or not DLC is a good value has little to do with "agreeing" with PD. No one should be making decisions based on which "side" they are on. Hopefully you make them based on other considerations. And when you do that, if that happens to make you look like you "side" with PD, I hope no reactionary poster will use hyperbole and liken that fact to something akin to Nazi Germany or Cold War Russia.

The fact that it isn't open-source is what makes the thing funny. As I am quite sure it was meant tongue-in-cheek and not offered to be offensive. Will Rogers, American humorist, once said, "It's explaining the joke that takes time."

 

[Griffith500]

Until the standard cars are eliminated.

Then we'll begin to see where PD struggles: efficiency in car modeling. Maybe they've expanded staff (or outsourced), but the DLC is not demonstrative of that just yet.

GT5 Prologue launched with 37 cars in Dec. 2007; the final count was 76 by Apr. 2008
GT5 had 220 ish in Nov. 2010
Since then, there have been 3 karts, 1 X-Wing*, 1 Schulze GT-R, 11 TCs, 10 cars in two car packs, 1 Toyota GT86, 1 Toyota FT-86 II, 1 Scion FR-S... probably others I've missed. (EDIT: 11 NASCAR cars, 1 extra Kart - 41 cars, 2.2 per month)

So, in the 19 months since release are we to believe they've only modeled 29 cars, of which several are practically only amendments of existing cars? That's only 1.5 cars per month.
GT4 was released in Dec. 2004, which puts 220 cars in Nov. 2010 at 3 cars per month.
3 cars per month equates to only 60 cars produced since launch, which means (at 6 months per car) there are only 18 car modelers.
But cars took 60% of the development time, which is 60% of the manpower, which is effectively 60% of the staff, which is about 66 people. And 6 months per car is an exaggeration as an average figure.
Plus, it's likely that they started much later than Dec. 2004 (not least because of the US and EU releases of GT4, plus TT, plus GTPSP), and also that the first few cars would have taken substantially longer to produce than they can do them now.
So the real figure (today) has to be closer to 10 cars per month (sound familiar?)


In short, the DLC is only "demonstrative" of the DLC, not PD's total work output, which is impossible to gauge at any point because we have no idea about what they're working on.

* Credit to PAPPACLART for this, my new favourite term for the RB X-cars.

 

[ch3ng]

The DLC will never demonstrate their work or how fast they work.

Not every car created for GT6 will be included as a GT5 DLC.

 

[tpark103]

I agree, I have played gt5 to the point where I have trouble focusing my attention on the same old everything, do I haven't played it much. However I'm a huge GT fan and I'm on this forum daily.

I go through phases with GT. First of all I'm on here daily I even check when I'm at work. I'm playing only on the weekends late night if I get a chance now. Maybe in a few weeks from now I'll have more time and I'll be nightly for and hour or two again, we shall see.

 

[2cam16]

Whine,whine,whine. Why did you guys buy the game in the first place? Just live with it. Or else, stop playing. I love the addition of Motegi.

Kids.

 

[obsessive rules]

Whine,whine,whine. Why did you guys buy the game in the first place? Just live with it. Or else, stop playing. I love the addition of Motegi.

Kids.

This. What would you spend £3.99 on? I would likely buy 3 2l fanta bottles. My body is glad I got the dlc and my brain is too.

 

[mcfizzle]

This. What would you spend £3.99 on? I would likely buy 3 2l fanta bottles. My body is glad I got the dlc and my brain is too.

3 bottles of European(well at least German) Fanta or Mezzo Mix is worth more than Motegi to this American, and I like Motegi. That stuff is the 🤬 compared to our pop.

 

[obsessive rules]

3 bottles of European(well at least German) Fanta or Mezzo Mix is worth more than Motegi to this American, and I like Motegi. That stuff is the 🤬 compared to our pop.

Ok. Opinion but, you want a dlc. PD announce it then you want better dlc, I hope you realise they aren't magicians. They've got gt6 and a possible gt vita to work on. Dlc is the last of their worries.

 

[mcfizzle]

Ok. Opinion but, you want a dlc. PD announce it then you want better dlc, I hope you realise they aren't magicians. They've got gt6 and a possible gt vita to work on. Dlc is the last of their worries.

You misunderstood. I really like the Motegi DLC, I think the track is great. Fanta and Mezzo Mix are unbelievably good soft drinks compared to what we have in America. Real sugar makes all the difference. I get to drink them once every year or two when I go to Germany so they are something I crave, also like Döner Kebabs. But it was just my poor attempt at sarcasm.

 

[obsessive rules]

You misunderstood. I really like the Motegi DLC, I think the track is great. Fanta and Mezzo Mix are unbelievably good soft drinks compared to what we have in America. Real sugar makes all the difference. I get to drink them once every year or two when I go to Germany so they are something I crave, also like Döner Kebabs. But it was just my poor attempt at sarcasm.

Ohhhh.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

Whine,whine,whine. Why did you guys buy the game in the first place? Just live with it. Or else, stop playing. I love the addition of Motegi.

Kids.

Why did you come in here in the first place? Thanks for visiting a thread about something that annoys you to post this.

 

[Scaff]

Whine,whine,whine. Why did you guys buy the game in the first place? Just live with it. Or else, stop playing. I love the addition of Motegi.

Kids.

Its quite simple. If you wish to discuss a subject then do just that, don't attack the people making a point simply because you don't agree with them.

 

[diegorborges]

Yes, it does deliver. $1.25 for each "layout" is good enough for most of us (each one with their currency and I know AUS and NZ get higher prices unfortunatelly).

And as me and lots of other people are having fun with this DLC, yes it delivers.

Very subjective. If you don't like Motegi or the free FR-S, then it doesn't deliver for you.

But it's not true to say it doesn't deliver at all.