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~> The new "NSX" will always be NXS to me!!!
Sounds like you're mad.
The NSX is making a return...
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Sounds like you're mad.
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An inline 4 with turbo will never sound like a NA V8 on a screamer exhaust. In the SuperGT thread there is a driveby vid of the NSX, I personally find the sound quite nice...
It doesn't scream like the first version HSV, but similar to the side exhausted HSV. It sounds like a racecar, what else could one want.
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It doesn't scream like the first version HSV, but similar to the side exhausted HSV. It sounds like a racecar, what else could one want.
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I don't like the engine sound to be brutally honest. It sounds vaguely like a BTCC Honda Civic.
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I have to admit, even though I'm not a huge fan of the design of the car, 500hp is the *perfect* amount of HP for an exotic sports car. F40, F50, Z06, R8, Gallardo, etc. Hopefully the weight won't be absurd.
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If the NSX really wants to square up to the 458, it'll need at least 550-580hp. If they make a hardcore Type-R to take aim at the new 458 Speciale, I think it may need 600+. Unless Honda can make the new NSX light enough to compensate for the weight of the hybrid system, I can't see it rivalling the 458 and Mclaren 12C. Realistically, maybe they should aim for the 911 and R8 crowd.
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Honda doesn't rely on more power to compete with other manufacturers. If this car is the key successor to the NSX, it'll follow the same train of thought; a superior chassis & suspension setup to get the job done.
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As the GT-R has shown with the way it just destroys everything off the line and gets around corners, Weight is hardly a issue and lets not forget the AWD it'll have along with the Hybrid system. Pretty sure the advantages it has will far outweigh the weight it has.
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I guess the super hybrid systems in these new sports cars are a lot faster than people have predicted them to be. With more and more sports and supercars making the switch to hybrid power in the future you have to wonder if this is the gateway technology that will lead to all electric supercars like the SLS E-Cell.
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When the target was the Ferrari 348, that task wasn't difficult. Basically, the 348 was nowhere near the 458 of it's day, and this is a Honda very removed from the position it was in when it was developing the NSX. I sincerely doubt it will get close to the 458 and MP4-12C in anything other than city/highway MPG, but we shall certainly see.
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It really doesn't matter if it was then, or now, that train of thought has remained the same in the last 2 decades of car building outside of the NSX for Honda's performance cars. The S2000 & the Type R family never gained fame for their power, but how they overcame the lack of it to remain competitive cars. How else did a 300-320Hp NSX-R remain so competitive & equal to a 100+ extra horsepower Ferrari that was just as track-oriented as it was?
Honda may not build cars the same way as they did in the early 90's, but that hardly means they've also forgotten how to build an actual sports car. One of the lead developers behind the new NSX was a man who worked on the original; almost says enough on its own, really.
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The NSX-R enjoyed a several hundred pound advantage over the [standard] Ferrari 360 and Lamborghini Gallardo, though. The new car will, I imagine, be actually heavier and down on power next to the 458, MP4, and newest Gallardo. I'm not saying Acura/Honda is incapable of building a competitor, but the specs shown/rumored don't really suggest it will be.
The GT-R can 'compete' because it's playing a different ballgame; it's a prototypically different driving experience. I would think that Acura wants to emulate or even improve upon the driving experience that one experiences with the F458 when they say they are targeting it, and I don't see it happening. Not even a full suite of F1 engineers working with a completely bespoke platform (MP4-12c) were able to definitively equal the F458; Ferrari seems to be in a different league these days, especially compared to the early-mid 90s.
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You can say the 348 wasn't the 458 of it's day until you make the 458 look just as dated with something advanced enough. The Nsx might not be enough, however.
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I disagree. Tangentially related, the 458 is so good because of the original NSX.
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I actually dont want the NSX to be in the same ballpark as a 458...I don't understand why others want it to either.
I want the NSX to be a affordable sports car in the upper range. If the NSX will be anything comparable to the Ferrari, so will its price. No regular enthusiast with average income will be able to drive one. What good is a awesome car to me if I'l never have the pleasure of it? A lightweight sports car with just round 340 horses should be more than enough to get the driver the experience he needs. All this horsepower madness is a wrong step in my opinion, too many horses can only be tamed by electronic aids.
I want the NSX to be a affordable sports car in the upper range. If the NSX will be anything comparable to the Ferrari, so will its price. No regular enthusiast with average income will be able to drive one. What good is a awesome car to me if I'l never have the pleasure of it? A lightweight sports car with just round 340 horses should be more than enough to get the driver the experience he needs. All this horsepower madness is a wrong step in my opinion, too many horses can only be tamed by electronic aids.
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The NSX has never been about this, ever. Back in 1991, it was about $60,000, which after inflation is a bit north of $100,000. You can't build a car with exotic materials and construction methods and not have it cost a bunch, just a simple fact.
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And again, was down over a 100 horsepower (near 175Hp if you want to bring the Gallardo). When you looked at the straight line figures, both of the Italians absolutely left the NSX-R behind. As said, the car kept up because it had a superior chassis & suspension setup that allowed the car to be faster in the corners.
And that's because you're going by specs which will really only give an idea how quick each car is straight forward, something the NSX is most likely going to lose to begin with. What we don't have any idea of is what the car's suspension or handling will allow besides that it's SH-AWD. This is where Honda typically works its magic.
The article says they are going for it as a competitor. There's absolutely nothing that says they want to emulate the experience of a 458 & to be honest, why would they? All that aside, the driving experience of the 458, NSX, or GT-R had nothing to do with the fact if the GT-R had previously reached a point where it could become a competitive rival on a track next to the 458, then there's a strong chance Honda can build the NSX to similar levels. The driving experience is all subjective to each person anyway.
You are talking about something though that completely varies from person to person. There are plenty of people out there will do prefer the MP4-12C from a driver's standpoint to the 458 just as there are plenty of people who love what the GT-R offers & don't believe in the "Playstation" negativity that the media pushed on the car. Yes, Ferrari has achieved this exclusive driving feeling that only they can accomplish. What they've also accomplished is the image of people who buy them in Rosso Corsa to do nothing but show off how much money they have recently acquired. Even if the NSX can't emulate the feeling of the 458, it can offer what McLaren did; an alternative to those buyers who don't want a Ferrari like everyone else in bright red.
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The original NSX was meant to be a driver's car first and foremost. It was so good at this that the original Mclaren F1 program benchmarked the NSX in several ways. I see the 458 as the pinnacle of driver's cars in production today, with it's ferocious n/a engine and emphasis on balance, driver feedback & response, and precision. If the new NSX is to target the 458, as they have claimed, and not a specific aspect of it (like say, performance, which is what Mclaren and Nissan have done, intentionally or otherwise) then I think Acura will be in for an extremely tough challenge. However, if they are merely aiming for that goal, and end up with something approaching as good to drive, has the performance to match, say, an R8, and a somewhat reasonable pricetag, then I think they will have achieved something very special. I tend to think this is the actual intention. I just wish it looked better, and wasn't awd...
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I don't prefer it.
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Ladies and Gents, the production engine:
More here: http://www.edmunds.com/auto-shows/t...dinal-twin-turbo-v6-2013-tokyo-auto-show.html
More here: http://www.edmunds.com/auto-shows/t...dinal-twin-turbo-v6-2013-tokyo-auto-show.html
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Gearboxes are getting rather large these days, aren't they? I know there's some perspective at work here but the engine looks relatively small next to it...
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I think they completely ruined the NSX. It is one of my favorite cars. It just doesn't say to me "Look, I'm the improved version of this.", but rather it looks like it is saying "I'm cousins with the Audi R8. Don't we look so alike?". I really dislike it just because it doesn't look like what I was hoping for. Also the sound of it seems 'eh' to me. It sounds like itis kind of whining a bit. Like the extremely modded Integras, Civics, Supras, etc. that you see everywhere now. Is the performance specs on it at least better than it was in 2005? If anything hopefully they improved there.
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With a 500+ horsepower twin turbo V6, I would sure hope so...
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