The Obutto oZone...

I'm so sad Obutto doesn't s ship here in France, i've asked them but the shipping cost are too expensive. They tell me that they were looking for distributors in europe. I hope they'll find them soon because the ozone cakpit look great and cheaper than a playseat.
 
Fafat they do ship to Sweden so would surprise me if they don´t ship to France... For sure shipping is expensive but it´s about the same price as a playseat with shipping and well from my perspective is more versatile and has a better seat :)
 
Hey there, Obutto owners.

What do you think of the seating position? Or, should I say, How is the seating position adjustability?

Can you set it up similar to an F1 style position, with the wheel closer, and further down?

I would love to see someone take some pics showing various degrees of adjustment (side view pics with someone in the chair). For example, a picture of a rally style position, and a picture of an F1 style position.

It's hard to tell in pictures how much you can adjust, and how far. Some of the videos I've seen on Youtube have shown people with the wheel far too high, in my opinion. Looking akin to a grandmother with her chin on the steering wheel. I'm wondering just how far all these elements can be adjusted in relation to each other.



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Hey there, Obutto owners.

What do you think of the seating position? Or, should I say, How is the seating position adjustability?

Can you set it up similar to an F1 style position, with the wheel closer, and further down?

I would love to see someone take some pics showing various degrees of adjustment (side view pics with someone in the chair). For example, a picture of a rally style position, and a picture of an F1 style position.

It's hard to tell in pictures how much you can adjust, and how far. Some of the videos I've seen on Youtube have shown people with the wheel far too high, in my opinion. Looking akin to a grandmother with her chin on the steering wheel. I'm wondering just how far all these elements can be adjusted in relation to each other.



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If I get a chance I will try to take some pics and PM them to you.
 
Well the adjustability is the only real compromise I think... I don´t mean you will sit uncomfortable but there is cockpits out there that you can fine tune just about everything... But then as mentioned you have to pay for the adjustability as well ;).

One thing that I found was very useful was like on the playseat being able to angle the wheel just like you want it. Most wheels are angled to much more for desktop racing then cockpit racing. Pedals angle since the logitech and similar wheels have so similar angle That isn´t an issue I am sure. With all the pedals I tried on my playseat none felt wrong :). Oh and this is another important plus for the Obutto. If you run nixim progressive brake modded G25 pedals for example the evolution isn´t stable enough. It´s absolutely stable with stock G25 pedals but not more. On the playseat it was also nice to be able to adjust the wheel height and length from you individually to your feets. Adjustability was one of the awesome things about the evolution however it lacks a proper shifter holder, the seat doesn´t match the obutto. Even so it´s extremely comfortable though I am sure not as comfortable and well you can´t do much more then run racing games without extra tables :).

May sound like I owned the Obutto already but I have owned it in my head many many weeks until I jumped ships ;). But for the price if you don´t need to move it there is no competitor I have managed to find on the 15 or something I have looked at. My current one beats it on every account though but well I am almost embarrassed how much money I spent on it still ;)
 
If you run nixim progressive brake modded G25 pedals for example the evolution isn´t stable enough. It´s absolutely stable with stock G25 pedals but not more.

You do realize that the pedals can be bolted to the pedal tray right? I don't know how many pounds of pressure it would take to bend steel, I can't see how you are saying that the pedal tray is "not stable enough". These progressive pedals would probably go through somebody's floor with the Obutto.

The Playseat Evo (A1GP now) is rock solid. If someone deliberately (or inadvertently) improperly tightens knobs, then it would appear "unstable".

The Playseat offers a tad more adjustability and, of course, it can be quickly stored in a compact package. One thing I have not seen people point out about the Playseat Evo/A1GP is that the wheel tray has a "tilt" feature. As well, holes are pre drilled for various wheels.

If Playseat put the seat I would like (Lexus SC300/400), the seat itself would cost $695.

Obutto is the "new kid on the block", naturally people are drawn to it's appeal. In order to get his foot in the door he has to take a hit in his pricing. I admire that they are willing to offer such a value. But, it does not replace the Playseat by any means. I think comparing the Rhino to the Obutto is on more equal footing, as far as frame style.

The Playseat is unique in design. That uniqueness offers flexibility that other rigs on the market do not allow.

Some people in the US are crying about the price of the Playseat as it's primary flaw, be glad we don't live overseas. We get the Playseat at a bargain.

BTW, for obvious reasons, I'd rather have a material that won't absorb "odors". The Playseat can easily have another layer or two of padding added to give more lumbar support if one desires. Someone somewhere had mentioned a metal bar that sticks in their back. That is a defective unit and you should have called Playseat immediately. They are really good with their Customer Service too. One guy had said that there was a loose thread in a spot of stitching and Playseat sent out a whole new seat!
 
You do realize that the pedals can be bolted to the pedal tray right? I don't know how many pounds of pressure it would take to bend steel, I can't see how you are saying that the pedal tray is "not stable enough". These progressive pedals would probably go through somebody's floor with the Obutto.
I use the playseat evo and g25 setup. I really do like it, but I see what others are saying about the brakes. I haven't done any mods to mine, but when I push the brakes in, it does lean the tray to the right. I could see how stiffer brakes would not work on the playseat. If you want to use the clutch you have to mount the pedals to the right side of the tray or the bar gets in the way. Any stiffer brakes then the stock g25's, and it would probably bend the metal plate that holds the pedals. I imagine that when private rooms are out in gt5p and i am getting heavy use out of my setup, I will probably have to weld some sort of brace under the pedal plate for support or it will end up bending on me.

I don't use heavy feet either while racing. I try to be as light as possible on everything so that I don't break it.
 
I use the playseat evo and g25 setup. I really do like it, but I see what others are saying about the brakes. I haven't done any mods to mine, but when I push the brakes in, it does lean the tray to the right. I could see how stiffer brakes would not work on the playseat. If you want to use the clutch you have to mount the pedals to the right side of the tray or the bar gets in the way. Any stiffer brakes then the stock g25's, and it would probably bend the metal plate that holds the pedals. I imagine that when private rooms are out in gt5p and i am getting heavy use out of my setup, I will probably have to weld some sort of brace under the pedal plate for support or it will end up bending on me.

I don't use heavy feet either while racing. I try to be as light as possible on everything so that I don't break it.

Honestly, voicing this concern directly to Playseat would probably be well appreciated. There is always room to improve any designs.
 
You do realize that the pedals can be bolted to the pedal tray right? I don't know how many pounds of pressure it would take to bend steel, I can't see how you are saying that the pedal tray is "not stable enough". These progressive pedals would probably go through somebody's floor with the Obutto.

The Playseat Evo (A1GP now) is rock solid. If someone deliberately (or inadvertently) improperly tightens knobs, then it would appear "unstable".

The Playseat offers a tad more adjustability and, of course, it can be quickly stored in a compact package. One thing I have not seen people point out about the Playseat Evo/A1GP is that the wheel tray has a "tilt" feature. As well, holes are pre drilled for various wheels.

If Playseat put the seat I would like (Lexus SC300/400), the seat itself would cost $695.

Obutto is the "new kid on the block", naturally people are drawn to it's appeal. In order to get his foot in the door he has to take a hit in his pricing. I admire that they are willing to offer such a value. But, it does not replace the Playseat by any means. I think comparing the Rhino to the Obutto is on more equal footing, as far as frame style.

The Playseat is unique in design. That uniqueness offers flexibility that other rigs on the market do not allow.

Some people in the US are crying about the price of the Playseat as it's primary flaw, be glad we don't live overseas. We get the Playseat at a bargain.

BTW, for obvious reasons, I'd rather have a material that won't absorb "odors". The Playseat can easily have another layer or two of padding added to give more lumbar support if one desires. Someone somewhere had mentioned a metal bar that sticks in their back. That is a defective unit and you should have called Playseat immediately. They are really good with their Customer Service too. One guy had said that there was a loose thread in a spot of stitching and Playseat sent out a whole new seat!


Do you work for playseat? Don´t take this the wrong way :).

the bar pressing on my back of course it depends what type of spine you have if it annoys you or not. I don´t think there was a manufacturing fault on mine. It´s just that the stopping is non existant to save costs. Still apart from the vinyl seat making you sweaty the seat itself did it´s job quite well. That mentioned it´s not even in the same ballpark as the Cobra racing seat I now sit in. But playseat have margins of about 150-200 % I think per unit which is normal. Obutto probably have far less margins but that is hardly a negative from an end users perspective :).

As for the pedal plate it doesn´t take that much power to bend aluminium such thin as on the Evolution :)... It´s not solid 2 mm thick steel like on my nixim racecraft... If it had that it may have gotten away with it. I think they did a misstake with that design. As mentioned it works with the G25... It budges a little but not so much I got disturbed by it. And yes I bolted my G25 pedals down of course. Just make it even easier to budge the aluminium actually ;)

Regarding what it costs well it may be better than the Rinoseat yes but that is what the Evo should be compared to... It have cheaper materials through and through... It´s light and adjustable and relatively easilly stowed away which you can´t say about the Obutto.

But if you don´t have to hide it or transport it and can get an Obutto for the same price that you actually can use for other tasks then just racing.

After getting the Nixim Racecraft it really striked me how important it is that everything is rock solid to get the sense you are actually sitting in a real car. The suspension of disbelief is much stronger with this cockpit over the Evolution. that said I was very happy with especially the Evolution. The original playseat was just to wobbly even for a DFP. But it had a better pedal mount than the Evolution
 
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Do you work for playseat? Don´t take this the wrong way :).
No, I don't work for Playseat. I like the product. It's well designed to be used by a wide array of body sizes and incorporate features the rest of the rigs don't have, such as "tilt wheel".

the bar pressing on my back of course it depends what type of spine you have if it annoys you or not. I don´t think there was a manufacturing fault on mine.
Again, there is not supposed to be a bar sticking in the middle of your back. It's a defect. Playseat is a global product and a major flaw such as you are experiencing, I can't see that being normal. I know I don't have a bar poking me in my back. Depends on what "kind of spine I have"? I have several discs, a spinal cord, spinal fluid, you know things that are found in a "typical" spine. Do you have a medical condition which has caused abnormalities in your spine?

Still apart from the vinyl seat making you sweaty the seat itself did it´s job quite well
. My butt sweats when I drive my real car with leather seats. My but sweats when I sit on my couch too.

That mentioned it´s not even in the same ballpark as the Cobra racing seat I now sit in.
I would not complain if they used an actual Sparco seat and modified it to Playeat's specs so the unique features can be employed.

As for the pedal plate it doesn´t take that much power to bend aluminium such thin as on the Evolution :)
Apparently, I must have gotten a "heavy duty" tray compared to yours. Perhaps if I bounced up and down on the very edge of the pedal tray, then it might bend (I'm about 200 pounds). But, who drives like that? What sort of pedals exhort that much pressure against your leg that you would need building quality steel? I hope you're got strong legs, it sounds like you're doing leg presses.


Regarding what it costs well it may be better than the Rinoseat yes but that is what the Evo should be compared to
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. The Playseat obviously outclasses the Rhino. The Rhino is severely lacking features IMO. It's design is vastly different from it.

But if you don´t have to hide it or transport it and can get an Obutto for the same price that you actually can use for other tasks then just racing.

After getting the Nixim Racecraft it really striked me how important it is that everything is rock solid to get the sense you are actually sitting in a real car.
Sitting in the ideal seating position is what gives me the sense of being behind the wheel. The seating position and adjustability the Playseat offers is aggressive, like in a car.

The suspension of disbelief is much stronger with this cockpit over the Evolution. that said I was very happy with especially the Evolution.
Perhaps this is because your rig encapsulates you. Thus, giving you more of a sense of being "inside" a car?

The original playseat was just to wobbly even for a DFP. But it had a better pedal mount than the Evolution
This could be remedied with a vertical brace under the tray?

Don't get me wrong, there are little bugs with the Playseat. For me, none of which you described. I have been in contact with Playseat regarding the bugs I've found and small work arounds I've used.

The fact that you almost refuse to send them a note about the bar in your back says you're for the most part dismissing it as intentional.

I see a lot of people piling on against the Evo, as if it's the old seat. There have been some who have gone out of their way to assemble it improperly to make the rig look bad.

When it comes to products I like and appreciate, I feel a need to defend. This goes for charcoal vs. propane (Weber Kettles own!), shoes, Gran Turismo, Playstation vs. M$, white meat vs. dark. I have a background in sales, I have natural tendencies to gravitate toward certain products compared to others.

You want to talk about wobbly, I had a Wheel Station! Yes, that is an entry level stand. It can easily fold down to fit under a bed, in a closet, or even behind a couch. I was shopping for a rig and I saw the Playseat had a lot of adjustments that can make it more personalized compared to other rigs, it was visually appealing. When I saw someone post a picture of his Tony Stewart edition, that sealed the deal. I went with Playseat and I don't regret my choice.

One of the key things I like about your rig is that yes, it is big. But a key feature is, it has the casters on it so it can be easily moved around when needed.


off the soap box
 
Okay an avid playseat fan obviously :)... I can´t understand how you are not able to feel the pedal plate or even the bottom aluminium bar. Not to say the chair budge if you make a 100 % braking attempt with your leg? If you try that and still claim it doesn´t budge I am wondering why?

The bar it´s not bent or anything... It´s a straight tube so obviously not a manufacturing fault. The original playseat had pretty much the same design ;) The non existing stopping to save costs is what make it press against your back especially when using stiff brakes like the nixim progressive brake mod. It also give away a little. If you have a real car do you honestly believe the playseat seat is of the same quality?

As for your argument that you sweat in your real car? Well yes that is the reason why I don´t like leather seats in my real cars ;). Even though one of my cars came with it and it isn´t as bad as the Evolutions seat. Do you really see that as a plus for the Evolution? Original playseat didn´t have that issue. Not as good looking and had even less stopping on the pad you sat on. But I would choose that one over the one on the evo anyday despite not looking as slick.

I know that most people that uses playseats have noticed these faults and others. I don´t know maybe you don´t have experience with any other cockpit than the EVO? The more cockpits you try the better perspective you get on things :).

All the issues I have mentioned is real for a lot of people and if you try as I say you will also find that it budges and maybe even when you think about it start to feel the bar in your back. (It´s the one that the seat bends around ;)
 
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hey guys new to the forums here

I recently fell up the amazingness of what is called the obutto racing cockpit

I sent out some email from the website yesterday and havent heard anything back yet

i went to the purchase page and also sent out an email saying that i would like to purchase one of these seats

Now to purchase do i just have to wait for an email back telling me what to do and what kindof info i need to purchase one?

I also heard a very good rumor that they have a shipping center out of seattle, WA and i am about 45 minutes away from seattle..i would gladly go pick one up to save on shipping costs for sure

please reply back, it seems you guys have more info than the site has on how to purchase these

thx
 
Do not go through Texas Sim Racing to get your Obutto. There are guys that have been waiting for months (myself included) and they have not placed their order with Obutto, have disconnected their phone line, and are not replying to email. Deal with Chris directly.
 
bdyche, you beat me to the punch, I too am going through the hassle with Texas Sim Racing, im actually waiting for my claim to go through so I can get my money back
 
first time posting in this forum. I too have went through Texas Sim Racing and i actually just saw Obutto homepage on how they are no longer distributing to Texas Sim :(
 
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I just bought a playseat evolution.

I like it; looks good; adjustable.

No wobble in the steering; appreciate the bolt mounting system (velcro and clamps would be scary).

Pole between legs is non issue, except for slipping in to the cockpit!

There is some 'flex' when heavy braking or jumping on the accelerator.

The seat is confortable; when it wears out I'll buy and mount a sparco or corbeau seat.

I think it is good value for the money as I am not going to spend more for a video game accessory!

And I do not pc game so I do not need a keyboard, or tv dinner tray
 
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i emailed Chris a few days ago, he replied to me today. you can order directly from him. price i got was $289 plus $85 shi pping and shipment should arrive apr 17 in Seattle 5-7days to clear customs 2 days to send out all orders 5-7 days for arrival of shipment to your door. so early May would be there earliest date to receive a cockpit if order placed directly through Obutto... sigh i dont know if i should pull the trigger not knowing when i will get my refund back from TXSRI.com.
 
i emailed Chris a few days ago, he replied to me today. you can order directly from him. price i got was $289 plus $85 shi pping and shipment should arrive apr 17 in Seattle 5-7days to clear customs 2 days to send out all orders 5-7 days for arrival of shipment to your door. so early May would be there earliest date to receive a cockpit if order placed directly through Obutto... sigh i dont know if i should pull the trigger not knowing when i will get my refund back from TXSRI.com.

What email did you use to contact him?
 
i emailed Chris a few days ago, he replied to me today. you can order directly from him. price i got was $289 plus $85 shi pping and shipment should arrive apr 17 in Seattle 5-7days to clear customs 2 days to send out all orders 5-7 days for arrival of shipment to your door. so early May would be there earliest date to receive a cockpit if order placed directly through Obutto... sigh i dont know if i should pull the trigger not knowing when i will get my refund back from TXSRI.com.

Where are you from? Canada?
 
I got the same message yesterday:

"Currently we are out of stock in the US but have a new shipment
arriving around mid-April in Seattle port. Since we are only importing
75 cockpits in this next shipment we expect them to sell out before they arrive, therefore you can reserve a cockpit by pre-purchasing.
Price of the sim racing cockpit with the single VESA monitor stand is
US$279 and Purolator ground shipping is US$85, Total is US$364.
This does NOT include the Triple monitor mount, Acrylic tabletop, or Flight stick mount, as they cost extra.

If you wish to reserve a cockpit just send the US$364 to our Paypal account and I'll get your cockpit sent out as soon as the shipment
arrives from China in April. Our paypal account is chris@obutto.com"

I went ahead and ordered one. Sucks that I won't get it for at least a month.
 
I got my money back from my CC company for the order that was placed with TXSRI and placed my order with Chris directly. Can't wait to get it!
 
Smart decision buying on credit card. I ordered mine in December from Texas Sim Racing using Paypal and have tried repeatedly to get in touch with Ryan Gist the owner but it looks like my money is gone - Paypal can do nothing, where Visa could have been disputed. Hope you don't make the same mistake I did. The chair looks great, Chris at Obutto seems to be a stand up guy and trying to help. Jury is still out on how this will turn out.
 
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Smart decision buying on credit card. I ordered mine in December from Texas Sim Racing using Paypal and have tried repeatedly to get in touch with Ryan Gist the owner but it looks like my money is gone - Paypal can do nothing, where Visa could have been disputed. Hope you don't make the same mistake I did. The chair looks great, Chris at Obutto seems to be a stand up guy and trying to help. Jury is still out on how this will turn out.



actully i bought mine through paypal and got a refund in a week after disputing the charge
 
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