The Oscars controversy surrounding the lack of diversity

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@niky

I'm well aware that there many actors/actresses on the rises(like Grace Park who isn't on the list is), the problem is that aren't real A-lister Asian actor/actresses. Does that mean that I approve of a caucasian actress getting a role that technically should've gone to someone who happen to be asian? No I don't but at end in the I can understand from the view of supply and demand why a caucasian actress is chosen for the role.

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@niky

I'm well aware that there many actors/actresses on the rises(like Grace Park who isn't on the list is), the problem is that aren't real A-lister Asian actor/actresses.

Absolutely right, there are none. Apart from Lucy Liu, Maggie Q, Kelly Hu, Jamie Chung, Kristin Kreuk, Zhang Ziyi, Grace Park, Ming-Na Wen, Tia Carrere, Vanessa Hudgens, Shu Qi, Jessika Van, Arden Cho... but apart from that, no. Should we look at male actors too?
 
Absolutely right, there are none. Apart from Lucy Liu, Maggie Q, Kelly Hu, Jamie Chung, Kristin Kreuk, Zhang Ziyi, Grace Park, Ming-Na Wen, Tia Carrere, Vanessa Hudgens, Shu Qi, Jessika Van, Arden Cho... but apart from that, no. Should we look at male actors too?
If those are all A listers then pretty much everyone in Hollywood is an A lister. A quick search on my phone led me to a list of less than 30 A listers in Hollywood, none of whom are on your list.
 
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If those are all A listers then pretty much everyone in Hollywood is an A lister. A quick search on my phone led me to a list of less than 30 A listers in Hollywood, none of whom are on your list.

Excellent, you should name them for @A2K78 as he believes there is a supply of none.
 
I'm not quite sure whether having the same dozen actors and actresses appear in all the action movies within a decade is due to lazy casting or superb managers.
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I honestly don't care who is cast. I'm actually stoked to see this one finally hit the big screen in live action. But again, the excuse that there are no Asian actresses in America is extremely weak.

They could simply have said: we got the best person for the role, and they would have been done with it.

Abrahms put two relative unknowns into the drivers' seats of Star Wars and turned them into instant celebrities.To the point where Ridley is now in talks to play Lara Croft in the next Tomb Raider.

It's really not that difficult.

Granted, stars do have some pull power at the box-office, but not all the star power in the world can turn a turd (After Earth, Zoolander 2) into gold. And stars have tight filming schedules and high fees.
 
Excellent, you should name them for @A2K78 as he believes there is a supply of none.
Name the A list actors that doesn't include anyone on your list?

I watched Concussion last night. Wonder why no one complained about Will Smith, an American using a vaguely Jamaican accent to play a Nigerian doctor with little to no physical resemblance?

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Why not just support indie films? Seriously, I don't go to the movies at all, I stopped when my kids came of age, I support the arts well enough but most of the films these days don't warrant my money. I'll gladly pay much more money to see someone perform that I admire, such as Yo-Yo Ma.

One of the highlights of my young life was seeing Rostropovich live :bowdown:
 
You said you'd found an A-list, @A2K78 said there were none. I suggested you might help him out by naming them.
What I said was I found an A list on line (there are dozens)and no one on your list of Asian actresses is on it, which was his assertion to begin with.
 
...If there are seemingly a supply shortage of A-list Oriental actors in Hollywood, then the solution shouldn't be too hard....

Just import them!! :lol: If you can't make something home-grown, might as well get it from the source....

I mean, Hollywood have tried before, with Jet Li, Donnie Yen, that Korean idol named Rain (not joking, that's his pro name) and Maggie Q.
 
...If there are seemingly a supply shortage of A-list Oriental actors in Hollywood, then the solution shouldn't be too hard....

Just import them!! :lol: If you can't make something home-grown, might as well get it from the source....

I mean, Hollywood have tried before, with Jet Li, Donnie Yen, that Korean idol named Rain (not joking, that's his pro name) and Maggie Q.
Hollywood is in the money business, not the social justice warrior business. Unless, of course, being an SJW also lines the pocket books. If they thought an Asian actress had enough clout to carry the movie, they would have hired one. Obviously they don't, so they didn't. Same reason they didn't get an obscure, round faced Nigerian actor to play Dr. Bennet Omalu in Concussion, and instead, got a Jamaican sounding American actor. They're going to go with the best they can afford whom they think will be the biggest draw.
 
Hollywood is in the money business, not the social justice warrior business. Unless, of course, being an SJW also lines the pocket books. If they thought an Asian actress had enough clout to carry the movie, they would have hired one. Obviously they don't, so they didn't. Same reason they didn't get an obscure, round faced Nigerian actor to play Dr. Bennet Omalu in Concussion, and instead, got a Jamaican sounding American actor. They're going to go with the best they can afford whom they think will be the biggest draw.

...Oh, absolutely. I agree that making a movie is a business. A big business at that. Going with a bankable actress in the lead is a no-brainer here.

This whole GITS situation is pretty absurd to me, as I just can't see the reason why the film makers should cast an Oriental actress on the leading role. ScaJo looks just about the greatest casting decision they could have made considering the ambition behind the project.

Concussion is not a straight-up comparative material though, as that was Smith's pet project - his ego wouldn't let anyone else take the role from him.... (just speculating!!) :lol:
 
Hollywood is in the money business, not the social justice warrior business.

I'd argue that sometimes it is (reinforcement of stereotypes and tropes can aid the story), but other times, it pats itself on the back for breaking those barriers every so often.

However, it's all in the moment of whether it's an action-adventure blockbuster, a period drama, or an obscure art flick. The first will rely on the audience ignoring a lot of specific details (scientific facts? cultural awareness? plausibility? ...just go with Black Hat versus White Hat duality) and the latter might be more sensitive to changes that ought to be there, but aren't (whether they make sense outside the movie or not).

Also, what might be ignored is whether said actor/actress has a contract elsewhere or another actor didn't want the role, wished to forgo type-casting, et cetera. Instead, the blame is always shifted to those in production...which could be part of a you-scratch-my-back situation.

If they thought an Asian actress had enough clout to carry the movie, they would have hired one. Obviously they don't, so they didn't. Same reason they didn't get an obscure, round faced Nigerian actor to play Dr. Bennet Omalu in Concussion, and instead, got a Jamaican sounding American actor. They're going to go with the best they can afford whom they think will be the biggest draw.

^ This.
 
No John Wayne day for Cali, maybe no recognition for Hollywood at all anymore until they enforce race and gender quotas.

http://www.fox5ny.com/entertainment/134455698-story

The state Assembly defeated the official ode to John Wayne Thursday after several legislators described statements he made about racial minorities and his support for the anti-communist House Un-American Activities Committee and John Birch Society.

Have no fear though, Texas recognizes his birthday.
 
Because white supremacy was okay in 1971, right?

Nope. But stars like John Wayne came up in a time where saying something "pro black" would probably be the equivalent of saying the N-word today.

History is full of events that wouldn't be ok by today's standards, if we suddenly start striking them from the history books we won't have much left.
 
Nope. But stars like John Wayne came up in a time where saying something "pro black" would probably be the equivalent of saying the N-word today.

But he said he was in favour of white supremacy, that's a rather extreme way to avoid saying something "pro black".

History is full of events that wouldn't be ok by today's standards

Absolutely. That's not really a reason to defend Wayne's white supremacy views late in the 20th Century though.

if we suddenly start striking them from the history books we won't have much left.

I quite agree, nothing should be struck from the history books. That's not being suggested in this case though, is it?
 
Why not read the entire interview for context sake?

https://www.playboy.com/articles/50-years-of-the-playboy-interview-john-wayne

Angela Davis claims that those who would revoke her teaching credentials on ideological grounds are actually discriminating against her because she’s black. Do you think there’s any truth in that?
With a lot of blacks, there’s quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can’t all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.

Hardly white supremacy alone or for all the wrong reasons. He was brash and spoke his mind, so what?
 
Hardly white supremacy alone or for all the wrong reasons. He was brash and spoke his mind, so what?

So... did you read the reasons we're even discussing this? Good for him for speaking his mind and good for Playboy in giving him the platform. Does that mean a "John Wayne Day" should happen? No, imo.
 
But he said he was in favour of white supremacy, that's a rather extreme way to avoid saying something "pro black".

"I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people."

That's his quote and it's really just a rewording away from being pro-black.

"I believe that when properly educated the blacks could be given authority and positions of leadership."

Absolutely. That's not really a reason to defend Wayne's white supremacy views late in the 20th Century though.

The guy got his start in the 1920's and he wasn't exactly the type of person to change his views.

I quite agree, nothing should be struck from the history books. That's not being suggested in this case though, is it?

In this particular case it isn't, but there have been quite a few examples of history books being altered to be more politically correct.

Does that mean a "John Wayne Day" should happen? No, imo.

Apart from "holidays" like this being a stupid concept I see no real reason not to have one. Unless they commit some horrible crime, I have no problem celebrating someone for their positive contribution to society even if they have some unfavorable world views.
 
Nope. But stars like John Wayne came up in a time where saying something "pro black" would probably be the equivalent of saying the N-word today.

History is full of events that wouldn't be ok by today's standards, if we suddenly start striking them from the history books we won't have much left.
No John Wayne day but apparently it's ok in Berkeley to have a day off for a guy who went to prison for larceny and breaking and entering.
 
...I sorta understand the reasoning behind the politicians' choice but I feel like asking, do we really need to have a John Wayne Day??

I mean, he's a wonderful, forceful presence on the screen and all, but honestly, do we not have enough people to be honored?

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...I sorta understand the reasoning behind the politicians' choice but I feel like asking, do we really need to have a John Wayne Day??

I mean, he's a wonderful, forceful presence on the screen and all, but honestly, do we not have enough people to be honored?

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It's California man, they do things a little differently out there:lol:

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I like the idea of society being bold and mature enough that they could honour a person's acting ability, despite some unsavoury views having been held. I don't like the idea of society being shallow enough that when asked to honour that individual as a whole (and as a-hole, as it may be), they in effect, shrug and let it slide.

And no, not off the hook just because it was the "olden days".
 
45, if we're still talking about JW's "white supremacy" comments, no?

He was born in 1907 meaning he was 64 when the interview took place. I don't know about you, but most people that I know in their 60's are pretty set in their ways.
 
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