The Political Satire/Meme Thread

[McLaren]

Pepé Le Pew strikes me as a symbol of the conservative anti-consent set; the Limbaugh League, if you will.

"It used to be that a lady would always say 'no' to your initial advance, because saying 'yes' would make her seem easy and therefore unappealing to real men. So you had to keep harassing her trying to win her favor until she gives in to your unwanted advances sees that you're a suitable companion.

Sometimes she would never actually say 'yes' at all, but a real man can read a lady's body language and understands that sometimes 'no' really means 'yes,' even if she's screaming and you have to put a pillow over her face so that the neighbors don't hear. And it was better that way because actually communicating intent and being sure that a woman consents to intimate contact kills all of the spontaneity and romance.

If you try to pull that stuff from the old days, well, here come the rape police."

I heard the first part, but not the whole thing. And people think this dude deserved a half-staff salute.

 

[TexRex]

I heard the first part, but not the whole thing. And people think this dude deserved a half-staff salute.

Oh, no, I was paraphrasing. Though I did pull from his actual remarks, modifying them in places for effect.

 

[McLaren]

Oh, no, I was paraphrasing. Though I did pull from his actual remarks, modifying them in places for effect.

It sounded like something I’d expect from him based on other stuff I’d heard from him.

You were scarily on point.

 

[TexRex]

"You just wait and see, there will be a war against Christians pretty soon".

But the second thing I thought of was "how in the **** do you work this around to there is going to be a war against christians!!!"

That's your standard conservative media slippery slope fearmongering.

All I've heard for the last 12 years or so is how liberals are so whiny but these conservatives are taking whining to a new level with this junk.

Projection.

 

[NotThePrez]

I can 100% hear this conversation in my head, including Obama sighing. This has honestly made my day.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

Oh, no, I was paraphrasing. Though I did pull from his actual remarks, modifying them in places for effect.

source

 

[Scaff]

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/...ors-and-the-celebrities-is-complete-1.4504502

 

[UKMikey]

source

https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/10/12/tmz_busts_nbc_on_trump_tape/

 

[TexRex]

source

yes

 

[McLaren]

source

"Seduction used to be an art," Limbaugh said. "Now, of course, it’s prudish, it’s predatory, it’s bad."

"How many of you guys, in your own experience with women, have learned that no means yes if you know how to spot it?" Limbaugh asked. Seeming to realize immediately that his comments might not be well-received, he added, "Let me tell you something, in this modern world, that is simply not tolerated. People aren’t even going to try to understand that one.”

https://www.salon.com/2014/09/15/ru...sent_no_means_yes_if_you_know_how_to_spot_it/

RUSH LIMBAUGH: You know what the magic word, the only thing that matters in American sexual mores today is? One thing. You can do anything, the left will promote and understand and tolerate anything, as long as there is one element. Do you know what it is? Consent. If there is consent on both or all three or all four, however many are involved in the sex act, it's perfectly fine. Whatever it is. But if the left ever senses and smells that there's no consent in part of the equation then here come the rape police. But consent is the magic key to the left.

https://www.mediamatters.org/rush-l...henever-theres-sex-no-consent-also-known-rape

Let me tell you something. In this modern world, that is simply not tolerated. People aren't even gonna try to understand that one. I mean, it used to be said it was a cliche. It used to be part of the advice young boys were given.

See, that's what we gotta change. We have got to reprogram the way we raise men. Why do you think permission every step of the way, clearly spelling out "why"... are all of these not lawsuits just waiting to happen if even one of these steps is not taken?

I don't know how men can be held to that Ohio State agreement, policy, anyway, because everybody knows in sex men don't think with their brains. Not the one in their heads, anyway. It's just so silly.

https://thedailybanter.com/2014/11/context-isnt-rush-limbaughs-friend-sean-hannity/

Haha, man not thinking with brain during sex, therefore ignoring consent is just silly misunderstanding.

 

[HenrySwanson]

 

[VBR]

Spoiler

 

[Scaff]

Spoiler

'SuperStraight', the new way Transphobes try and play the victim, so un-bigoted they managed to get banned from reddit.

 

[Dennisch]

'SuperStraight', the new way Transphobes try and play the victim, so un-bigoted they managed to get banned from reddit.

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Pretty sure it started as an answer to actually that what you're spewing now. People who having nothing against trans people but don't want to date one being called transphobic.

And superstraights claim to be born that way so that any negative comments about it makes you a bigot.

 

[Scaff]

Pretty sure it started as an answer to actually that what you're spewing now. People who having nothing against trans people but don't want to date one being called transphobic.

This is odd given that most of the 'SuperStraights' seem to have rather a lot of negative things to say against trans people.

Warning - Literal Nazi's are behind this, this Tweet details it, but CW for Nazis and Transphobia.

Spoiler

I'm not aware of any movement actively forcing straight people to date anyone trans, but as you can see a movement does exist to push this to get people to both red-pill and target the trans community.

And superstraights claim to be born that way so that any negative comments about it makes you a bigot.

Preference isn't a sexuality, and Poppers paradox of tolerance comes sailing right into view on this one.

 

[HenrySwanson]

I think there needs to be a middle ground. LGB and straight people should be allowed to say they have a preference for dating cis-gender people without being labelled transphobes but the SuperMovement is too toxic to spread that message.

 

[Scaff]

I think there needs to be a middle ground. LGB and straight people should be allowed to say they have a preference for dating cis-gender people without being labelled transphobes but the SuperMovement is too toxic to spread that message.

Outside of a possible fringe element (that exists for every group) who is labelling people in that way?

Let's also be honest, a fair percentage I would wager, of those who post unprompted on social media that they would never date someone trans is doing so for a reason, and I doubt it's simply to state a preference! I mean how on earth would they even know anyway, do they demand to see inside the pants of anyone they are attracted to? I'd hazard that they are actually scared they may 'accidentally' be attracted to someone who is trans, and a word exists for that.

This strikes me as similar to the 'but they will attack people in bathrooms' argument, a reason to start a campaign out of a near mythical happening.

I do have to say that personally I think 'too toxic' is a bit mild for literal Nazis!, as that's who is behind in. They picked up on one person who mentioned it (and then deleted it) on TikTok and used 4chan and similar boards to create what we have now being posted here. I'm quite happy to call it exactly what it is, Nazi propoganda.

 

[HenrySwanson]

Outside of a possible fringe element (that exists for every group) who is labelling people in that way?

Ehh, I dunno when "fringe" becomes "a sizeable group".

Looking at the reaction that followed Ginuwine's comments to a trans woman it seems Twitter was divided on the issue.

 

[GranTurNismo]

Gotta love Joni Ernst, the “Iowa farm girl” who didn’t even know the price of corn or soybeans.

 

[Scaff]

Ehh, I dunno when "fringe" becomes "a sizeable group".

Looking at the reaction that followed Ginuwine's comments to a trans woman it seems Twitter was divided on the issue.

You determined that based on a sample size of two!

I actually think you rather missed a trick anyway, given that instead of reaching the conclusion that the plural of anecdote is data (it's not), you could have cited an expert in the field.

"Sexual attraction is a response to stimuli - that can be based on any number of things for example waist to hip ratio, certain behaviours, or breast size," Dr Timmins says.

"If you have a trans woman who transitions very early on, she may be physically identical to a cis woman at a surface level."

A "cis woman" or "cisgendered" person is someone whose gender identity matches the one they were born with.

"There are hormonal sweet spots where trans women can transition and be effectively indistinguishable at a certain level from cisgender women," Dr Timmins says. "So being unwilling to date on the basis of someone being trans, rather than on the basis of individual stimuli is something I would personally call transphobic."

"This is a philosophical rather than empirical discussion because their is not a lot of nuanced research into this area yet.

"Grouping all transgender women as the same and all cis gender women as the same is effectively prejudice,"

Which I think I may have mentioned...

"I'd hazard that they are actually scared they may 'accidentally' be attracted to someone who is trans, and a word exists for that."

 

[TexRex]

 

[HenrySwanson]

You determined that based on a sample size of two!

Hmm?

No it was based on this line:

the issue divided the audience on Twitter

Now that could be sensationalist reporting, in which case my bad, but I wasn't basing it on just the examples in the article.

I actually think you rather missed a trick anyway, given that instead of reaching the conclusion that the plural of anecdote is data (it's not), you could have cited an expert in the field.

"Sexual attraction is a response to stimuli - that can be based on any number of things for example waist to hip ratio, certain behaviours, or breast size," Dr Timmins says.

"If you have a trans woman who transitions very early on, she may be physically identical to a cis woman at a surface level."

A "cis woman" or "cisgendered" person is someone whose gender identity matches the one they were born with.

"There are hormonal sweet spots where trans women can transition and be effectively indistinguishable at a certain level from cisgender women," Dr Timmins says. "So being unwilling to date on the basis of someone being trans, rather than on the basis of individual stimuli is something I would personally call transphobic."

"This is a philosophical rather than empirical discussion because their is not a lot of nuanced research into this area yet.

"Grouping all transgender women as the same and all cis gender women as the same is effectively prejudice,"

Which I think I may have mentioned...

"I'd hazard that they are actually scared they may 'accidentally' be attracted to someone who is trans, and a word exists for that."

This is where it gets murky.

Logically it makes sense. Let's say a neo-Nazi fell in love and was about to sleep with a woman but before they did the dirty she came out and said she was Jewish. If he were to react and ditch her I think all of us would say he was prejudiced.

Compare that to how men may react to seeing a trans woman they would have dated but for the fact that they were trans and I'm not sure where public opninon falls. I suppose the biggest stumbling block is a lot of men will think "well, she used to be a man" and then that will lead them to question their sexuality.

 

[Famine]

"Sexual attraction is a response to stimuli - that can be based on any number of things for example waist to hip ratio, certain behaviours, or breast size," Dr Timmins says.

"If you have a trans woman who transitions very early on, she may be physically identical to a cis woman at a surface level."

A "cis woman" or "cisgendered" person is someone whose gender identity matches the one they were born with.

"There are hormonal sweet spots where trans women can transition and be effectively indistinguishable at a certain level from cisgender women," Dr Timmins says. "So being unwilling to date on the basis of someone being trans, rather than on the basis of individual stimuli is something I would personally call transphobic."

"This is a philosophical rather than empirical discussion because their is not a lot of nuanced research into this area yet.

"Grouping all transgender women as the same and all cis gender women as the same is effectively prejudice,"

What's interesting about that particular line of argument is that it looks for all the world like you're also not allowed to use age either.

Dr. Timmins would seem to imply there that you should want to date someone who has a shapely waist, behaves a "certain" way, and has nice tits, and rejecting them just because they're 11 years old is prejudiced and chronophobic.

I also don't know whether to hope that the typo is theirs or the BBC's...

 

[TexRex]

 

[McLaren]

If I saw some of the follow-up tweets correctly, they tried to spin it saying a Restaurant Act (or something of that nature) amendment added to the bill was his contribution.

Of course, people quickly & hilariously re-pointed out, "Yeah, but you still voted Nay against that overall".


As far as "SuperStraight" goes, that's also hilarious it got clapped on Reddit. You could tell what that sub-reddit was when you start seeing users in it shared between TumblrInAction, Conspiracy, & NoNewNormal. So, congrats to VBR on another fantastically ironic post.

 

[Scaff]

Hmm?

No it was based on this line:

the issue divided the audience on Twitter

Now that could be sensationalist reporting, in which case my bad, but I wasn't basing it on just the examples in the article.

And the evidence they supplied to support this consisted of?

It's a line that akin to (for example) claims that science is divided on clime change or the age of the earth, a divide exists, but its nothing like a narrowone.

This is where it gets murky.

Logically it makes sense. Let's say a neo-Nazi fell in love and was about to sleep with a woman but before they did the dirty she came out and said she was Jewish. If he were to react and ditch her I think all of us would say he was prejudiced.

Indeed, but I think the anti-semetic hate being spouted would also give the game away, so we are not really in the realm of an unconscious bias being realised here.

Compare that to how men may react to seeing a trans woman they would have dated but for the fact that they were trans and I'm not sure where public opninon falls. I suppose the biggest stumbling block is a lot of men will think "well, she used to be a man" and then that will lead them to question their sexuality.

The interesting question then is why does it cause them to question their sexuality, if the attraction was based around the pure assumption of the object of desire being a woman how has it actually affected their sexuality. What if the object of desire was post-op and they had sex and the man still had not realised?

Open and honest question to anyone here, ever found a trans individual; attractive?

I'm going to stick my hand up and say yes in the case of Jamie Clayton.

 

[Danoff]

Open and honest question to anyone here, ever found a trans individual; attractive?

How about most of the front runners of the Miss Tiffany pageant?

 

[Scaff]

How about most of the front runners of the Miss Tiffany pageant?

That will do it.

No wonder the poor transphobes get confused, the upper brain says they should hate, but the lower brain just will not agree.

 

[huskeR32]

Open and honest question to anyone here, ever found a trans individual; attractive?

Sure. Was asked out by a trans woman once, and the only reason I said no was because I wasn't single; she was definitely attractive.

 

[Famine]

There was a "reality" TV show based on the fact that a MTF trans woman could be highly attractive to even the most dudebro of men, called "There's Something About Miriam". The contestants all took part willingly, but at the obvious conclusion of the show all sued to prevent it airing.

It was quite tacky, and the premise wasn't that Miriam sufficiently appeared enough like a woman to attract six conventionally attractive men, but that the winner would probably be repulsed by the fact she has a penis. And indeed was.


Sadly, Miriam was found hanged in 2019 in her native Mexico, and her death ruled as suicide. Her boyfriend at the time believes she was murdered for some reason connected with threats not to return to Mexico (presumably due to her transgender status).