The Thrustmaster T500RS Thread

[Delphic Reason]

well I just bought the driving force gt wheel...The Carrera wheel is $50 more, and looks nice...But, you gotta add the paddle shifters for some reason, why doesn't it come with those?

The paddles (buttons) that come as standard on the Carrera wheel, are almost identical in size and feel as those on the DFGT. Fanatec just happens to offer optional "paddles" that can be added on (unlike Logitech).

And, what about a stand for it? Their stand is out of stock, so I dunno what I would do...

Any stand/cockpit can be made to work with a Fanatec wheel. Sometimes you just have to drill a couple holes (Fanatec includes a drilling template).

Any help here is appreciated, i'm fairly new to wheels...I bought a G27 a few months ago and tried it out, but it was so different from playing with a controller, I gave up on it...But, you guys seem to insist that using a wheel is the way to go, so i'm willing to try it out again...Also, what about compatibality with GT? I like that the driving force gt is the official wheel for GT, but is that overrated? I want compatibility with the PS2 too, as i'm just getting into GT4

For older games like GT3 and GT4, I did prefer the DFGT. My PWTS works very well with GT4, but the DFGT just seems to be made for it. GT3 unfortunately cannot be played with a Fanatec wheel (not supported), so if the older games are something you want to play a lot of, I would say the DFGT is a good buy.

Can I venture to guess that people who love this game don't have a PROPER wheel to play GT5? (Man pedal and actual H-pattern shifter = PROPER)

Those of us with Fanatec wheels are enjoying full support (clutch, H-Gate, 900 degrees, etc...). By choosing the Driving Force Pro option, we can even map all of the buttons.

 

[Rÿche 1]

delphic reason thanks for replying, what is pwts?

 

[tecknical]

delphic reason thanks for replying, what is pwts?

fanatec porsche 911 turbo s wheel

 

[Rÿche 1]

ok thanks so then would I want to use the dfgt wheel for gt3 and gt4 and the fanatec wheel for gt5 would that be the best setup

 

[ComposerRyan]

well I just bought the driving force gt wheel...The Carrera wheel is $50 more, and looks nice...But, you gotta add the paddle shifters for some reason, why doesn't it come with those? And, what about a stand for it? Their stand is out of stock, so I dunno what I would do...Any help here is appreciated, i'm fairly new to wheels...I bought a G27 a few months ago and tried it out, but it was so different from playing with a controller, I gave up on it...But, you guys seem to insist that using a wheel is the way to go, so i'm willing to try it out again...Also, what about compatibality with GT? I like that the driving force gt is the official wheel for GT, but is that overrated? I want compatibility with the PS2 too, as i'm just getting into GT4

That's what I thought at first...I was like, is my new Driving Force GT wheel really THAT good? I haven't had much experience with all of the wheels out there so I watched this review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDH-RmW4iZs

Very good insight and he even says it is "one of the best wheels" he has ever played with!

 

[Delphic Reason]

ok thanks so then would I want to use the dfgt wheel for gt3 and gt4 and the fanatec wheel for gt5 would that be the best setup

GT3 is the only game you would absolutely NEED to use the DFGT for. However, as GT4 doesn't support H-Gate/Clutch, the DFGT is more than enough for it, as well.

GT5, however, does support H-Gate/Clutch (although the clutch isn't analog as it should be) so utilizing a wheel that has those features can really immerse you in the game.

 

[7HO]

DR does that mean the Fanatec clutch also is not analogue?

If so and the T500RS is that would be a real kick in the guts to Logitech and Fanatec owners. It would also be the deciding factor in which wheel I buy.

If GT5 flat out doesn't support an analogue clutch I see no point in upgrading to a new wheel until it does.

 

[Rÿche 1]

I apologize if I took the thread off topic as i've been following the thread cause i'm interested in the new Thrustmaster wheel, if I could just ask a couple more questions since i'm here already...

Is the DFGT the only wheel that works with GT3? And, how good is that Carrera wheel? The price is definitely right...What does adding the paddles do exactly?

 

[Rÿche 1]

DR does that mean the Fanatec clutch also is not analogue?

If so and the T500RS is that would be a real kick in the guts to Logitech and Fanatec owners. It would also be the deciding factor in which wheel I buy.

If GT5 flat out doesn't support an analogue clutch I see no point in upgrading to a new wheel until it does.

what is an analogue clutch? How does that work? Thanks

 

[7HO]

G27 owners are saying their clutch is either completely on or off, analogue means you would have progressive control allowing you to slip the clutch like you can in real life.

 

[Rÿche 1]

ok 7ho thanks

 

[JGW]

You clearly have never used one of their Joysticks.

I have, and as I posted earlier, the Cougar needed another $300 in third party upgrades to really get it dialed in. (Hall sensors, new gimbal, etc.). Otherwise, it became sloppy with use solely because they cut corners on the internals.

I'm not knocking TM mind you....I've used many of their products (the high end stuff....not the cheap crap they came out with), and it was always a great product with fantastic support.

My opinion is they lost their way after the buyout, but for the last few years have once again become a premium name. I will say that the support from Guillemot will NEVER be on par with what TM originally provided.

If it were me.....I'd be waiting for hands on reviews before jumping.

 

[Delphic Reason]

DR does that mean the Fanatec clutch also is not analogue?

It has nothing to do with Fanatec or Logitech equipment. It's the game that utilizes a digital (on or off) clutch system. It makes no difference what wheel or pedals you are using. It's a problem that hopefully will get a patch.

If GT5 flat out doesn't support an analogue clutch I see no point in upgrading to a new wheel until it does.

I wouldn't fault you for doing so.

It's been a bit of a kick in the teeth to some of us (and I seem to be less bothered by it then many around here), and some have even started using paddles until a patch hopefully sees the light of day.

 

[Rÿche 1]

delphic reason could you answer my last couple questions please I appreciate your input thanks

 

[Predwolf]

$500???? Are you serious!? Wheels are getting completely out of hand.

I'd feel comfortable paying $500 if it was very well made, and had NO whine/noises coming from the wheel itself. Since we're only getting a wheel and pedal set for that price, I'd expect them to be extremely well made, and to be solid, not flimsy and loud like the DFP.

 

[mykem]

I have, and as I posted earlier, the Cougar needed another $300 in third party upgrades to really get it dialed in. (Hall sensors, new gimbal, etc.). Otherwise, it became sloppy with use solely because they cut corners on the internals.

I'm not knocking TM mind you....I've used many of their products (the high end stuff....not the cheap crap they came out with), and it was always a great product with fantastic support.

My opinion is they lost their way after the buyout, but for the last few years have once again become a premium name. I will say that the support from Guillemot will NEVER be on par with what TM originally provided.

If it were me.....I'd be waiting for hands on reviews before jumping.

The reason Thrustmaster came up with the Warthog which has all the mods done to the Cougar (like the Hall sensors). And the T500RS is more of a Warthog (Hall sensor, 1080 deg rotation, belt driven, full size wheel) than a Cougar.

Even the fact the the shifter will be optional which seems to suggest that you have the option to either purchase a proper sequential stick shifter (btw, most modern GT race cars still require clutch when shifting down though not up) or a proper H-gated shifter. The latter will probably sells for a lot more since it requires a lot of moving parts (that also need to to be durable) and Thrustmaster probably made a good choice to give users the options instead of throwing in a $50 6/8 speed H-shifter.

 

[kikie]

Does this wheel have build in speakers?

what is the resolution of the pedals, also 16bit?

Is it really belt driven or gear driven?

 

[rebla47]

Does this wheel have build in speakers?

¿... ?

Is it really belt driven or gear driven?

Belt driven.

 

[kikie]

¿... ?

Look!


... or is it a ventilation grille?

 

[Frozzy]

^
Those are fan holes to simulate the wind LOL

 

[Perkel]

^
Those are fan holes to simulate the wind LOL

rather just cool whole thing.

If you have g25 after few hours it can get warm and probably crucial.

Also Cluth in GT5 with G25 is analog not digital.

 

[TheMarco]

Maybe this wheel means I can pick up a cheap used G25/G27 in the future from one of the many people who will 'upgrade' to this one.

I myself am not ready to pay this much money for a wheel. Heck for less money I can buy a mahogany top-of-the-line wheel for my (real life) Mustang.

 

[Gaiajohan]

I'm expecting the T500 RS to be fairly quiet. My experiences:

Driving Force Pro (gear drive)- Loud! Lots of gear whine.
G25 (gear drive)- Acceptable. You tune it out when racing. Lots of FFB chatter.
Fanatec PWTS (belt drive)- Fairly quiet. Smooth FFB.
G27 (helical gear drive)- Surprisingly quiet, but FFB chatter can be really pronounced.

Anyway, I think the G27 and Fanatec belt-driven wheels shouldn't be a noise pollution concern. I imagine the T500 RS will be in this range too.

From what I've had here for review purposes and own wheels my sound ratings from loud to quiet would be: (I only mention wheels > €80)

Loud to quiet:
1. Logitech DFP (straight gears)
2. Logitech DFGT (straight gears)
3. Logitech G25 (straight gears)
4. Logitech MOMO red (straight gears)
5. Fanatec Porsche 911 Turbo wheel (belt drive)
6. Logitech G27 (helical gears)
7. Fanatec Porsche 911 GT3 RS (belt drive)
8. Thrustmaster F430 (not that cockpit thing) (belt drive)

 

[mykem]

rather just cool whole thing.

If you have g25 after few hours it can get warm and probably crucial.

Also Cluth in GT5 with G25 is analog not digital.

I believe just like the Fanatec (but not the G25/G27) this is where the fans are installed for ventilation. The motor does get hot and in the G25 after about a hour of play you notice the deterioration in how the FFB performs and feels. A lot of modders place fans on their G25:

 

[rebla47]

... or is it a ventilation grille?

A ventilation, I think...

 

[Sele1981]

So read just somewhere it will cost 500€ (600$) and will be released in december?

Dont ask me for the source, they are rumours but 500€?? So I will get an RS V2 even if thrustmaster will bring an real car in my home... 350€ would be ok...

 

[TomN]

So read just somewhere it will cost 500€ (600$) and will be released in december?

Dont ask me for the source, they are rumours but 500€?? So I will get an RS V2 even if thrustmaster will bring an real car in my home... 350€ would be ok...

Read the OP, scroll down to the updates.

 

[kikie]

So read just somewhere it will cost 500€ (600$) and will be released in december?

Dont ask me for the source, they are rumours but 500€?? So I will get an RS V2 even if thrustmaster will bring an real car in my home... 350€ would be ok...

December? Why are there rumoures that there will be more news about this wheel at CES in Januari? That doesn't make sense if it's going to be released in December.

 

[Revelation1115]

Wow for 500 bucks you can buy a G27 and a playseat.. you buy this and you'll have to mount it on an ironing board!

 

[jjaisli]

To me, once we know it's technical capabilities, it's build quality and its price, the next most important question, and others have already raised this, is if it will have standard (as claimed by Logitech) mounting positions. A lot of people who already own Playseats or Visionracers will likely be more apt to buy this wheel if they know it will be a straight swap for the G25/G27 and they can simply bolt it down on their current hardware.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of how it looks. But if really performs above and beyond what the G27 can do (and more aggravating than anything, that GT5 doesn't officially support the G25/G27) I would consider it.

I just think a lot of politics are being played here between PD, Sony and Logitech. There is no reason why PD would not have included full support for Logitech's premium wheels other than their deal with Thrustmaster. It does leave a bit of a sour taste.