The Thrustmaster T500RS Thread

[Zero7159]

The T500 pedals are already superior to the CSP pedals, IMO -- without cranking the pedal stiffness up to max on the CSPs, I couldn't even tell that the brake pedal WASN'T potentiometer-based. Plus, the CSPs may look prettier, but the T500 pedals are built like a tank.

Now, before you poo-poo things too much, let's up the ante a bit: I'll race you to see whether I can invert my T500 pedals faster than you can invert your CSP pedals.

Oh, wait, you CAN'T invert the CSP pedals, can you? Not without building some structure to hang them from.

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I am a longtime owner of the Clubsports and the T500 pedals. After installing and using the Basherboards brake mod, I now prefer the T500 pedals and thus I have sold my Clubsports

 

[mrbasher]

I am a longtime owner of the Clubsports and the T500 pedals. After installing and using the Basherboards brake mod, I now prefer the T500 pedals and thus I have sold my Clubsports

TO ME... lol, is that irony? I can never remember what's what with irony...

I need them for testing and mods. Can't be releasing a CSP/Thrustmaster adapter without a way to test can I?

 

[RacingManiac]

I've been gradually upping the stiffness on the basherboard bushings. I am now finally on the double purple and actually prefers it. Was running orange+purple for a while but I think I was still getting to full pedal too sharply.

 

[Gunstar]

Did anyone see this one yet...

Thrustmaster Ferrari 458 Spider Racing Wheel - available April-18-2014 for €99,99 (incl tax)

Don't hold your breath though. Bungee chord tech with 240 whopping degrees of rotation.

This is not a wheel, this is a joystick in disguise. lol

Y'know what, that's fine. Cool even. As long as it works, and is priced accordingly. The common gamer isn't as willing as we are to drop $100+ on a wheel, let alone the price of a TX, so if this thing is $80 - $100 and WORKS I'm fine with it.

I remember when I launched GT3 (I worked for game retailers for almost 10 years) and Logitech had the GT Force out and it was about $80, and the PS2 MadCatz wheel was like $60 (and looked bigger and fancier with its shifter knob, although it was cheap and plastic-y and non FFB and had no way to clamp it to anything, just suction cups...) people looked at me like I was HIGH when I'd BEG them to buy the Logitech instead. Few years passed and it happened AGAIN with GT4, but by THAT time the MadCatz wheel was $80 and the Driving Force Pro was $150 (and worth EVERY penny) and I'd tell them how great it was and they were like "You're insane!"

We also had this TERRIBLE Pelican Cobra TT wheel that was like $40 and I sold SO MANY of those. That wheel alone probably did more to hurt the reputation of home driving wheels than any other.

Moral of the story is, most people won't buy expensive wheels and when cheap wheels suck they hurt the reputation of good wheels, so if your entry level wheel isn't good, people don't upgrade, they just stick to the gamepad.

 

[Gunstar]

I don't think a successor is coming anytime soon, besides, the T500 RS is PS4 compatible right?

No it is not. It can be made to work by the developers of specific titles, but the PS4 officially doesn't support any PS3/PC accessories. At least tho SONY didn't go out of the way to make them incompatible tho, like M$ did with the XB to X360 and the X360 to XBONE...

 

[Zero7159]

TO ME... lol, is that irony? I can never remember what's what with irony...

I need them for testing and mods. Can't be releasing a CSP/Thrustmaster adapter without a way to test can I?

This is hilarious. It is Basher's product, the awesome Basherboards brake mod for the T500 pedals, that caused me to sell my Clubsports to Basher and ask him to take me off the list for his upcoming CSP/Thrustmaster adapter.

 

[LogiForce]

^ What does this have to do with the T500?

I thought this was the main Thrustmaster topic. Oh well.
Besides, I am sure you hardcore guys wanted a laugh.

 

[Simmpa]

Can someone help me? I got my T500 today and I have problem. I have installed the drivers, updated the firmware and restarted the computer but the properties look nothing like It´s supposed to.

 

[Dean]

You need to right click on the wheel and select the option that isn't bolded (don't remember it's name). 👍

 

[JohnBodin]

Y'know what, that's fine. Cool even. As long as it works, and is priced accordingly. The common gamer isn't as willing as we are to drop $100+ on a wheel, let alone the price of a TX, so if this thing is $80 - $100 and WORKS I'm fine with it.

I remember when I launched GT3 (I worked for game retailers for almost 10 years) and Logitech had the GT Force out and it was about $80, and the PS2 MadCatz wheel was like $60 (and looked bigger and fancier with its shifter knob, although it was cheap and plastic-y and non FFB and had no way to clamp it to anything, just suction cups...) people looked at me like I was HIGH when I'd BEG them to buy the Logitech instead. Few years passed and it happened AGAIN with GT4, but by THAT time the MadCatz wheel was $80 and the Driving Force Pro was $150 (and worth EVERY penny) and I'd tell them how great it was and they were like "You're insane!"

We also had this TERRIBLE Pelican Cobra TT wheel that was like $40 and I sold SO MANY of those. That wheel alone probably did more to hurt the reputation of home driving wheels than any other.

Moral of the story is, most people won't buy expensive wheels and when cheap wheels suck they hurt the reputation of good wheels, so if your entry level wheel isn't good, people don't upgrade, they just stick to the gamepad.

VERY well-said -- and to that end, way back in the day when 270-degree wheels with springs were the only game in town, the Thrustmaster wheels were actually very, VERY good, they usually came with decent pedals, and the price point was typically decent for what you go.

I think that this "basic, vanilla" approach is where TM is going with this new wheel, and for entry-level racers, this will be the kind of wheel that helps them to get hooked on sim racing before they're ready to spend $$$ on better hardware.

 

[Simmpa]

You need to right click on the wheel and select the option that isn't bolded (don't remember it's name). 👍

Oh silly me how could I miss that! Thanks mate. (right click and game controller settings)

 

[JogoAsobi]

I am a longtime owner of the Clubsports and the T500 pedals. After installing and using the Basherboards brake mod, I now prefer the T500 pedals and thus I have sold my Clubsports

Did the same over a year ago, had CSP V.1s with Tune-up Kit, CSP V.2s.
No regrets whatsoever, my times have improved on console games & PC sims.

 

[JogoAsobi]

This is hilarious. It is Basher's product, the awesome Basherboards brake mod for the T500 pedals, that caused me to sell my Clubsports to Basher and ask him to take me off the list for his upcoming CSP/Thrustmaster adapter.

LOL, deja vu on this. Sold him some new V.2s last year, and then he sold them.

 

[JogoAsobi]

I thought this was the main Thrustmaster topic. Oh well.
Besides, I am sure you hardcore guys wanted a laugh.

Does not induce me to laugh, it looks to be a viable entry-level product.
If I were to find humor in it, I believe it would be a sign of arrogance...

 

[LogiForce]

Does not induce me to laugh, it looks to be a viable entry-level product.
If I were to find humor in it, I believe it would be a sign of arrogance...

How serious.
I think that they could have made it a DFGT competitor if only they put a gear driven FFB system inside. It would have been a better and more enjoyable product that way at an entry level. Using an elastic band just isn't what I would expect for 100 euro's.

 

[JogoAsobi]

How serious.

Thanks, I am good with that...

I think that they could have made it a DFGT competitor if only they put a gear driven FFB system inside. It would have been a better and more enjoyable product that way at an entry level. Using an elastic band just isn't what I would expect for 100 euro's.

...and will not reply to ^ in the spirit of OT adherence to T500.
Perhaps you should create a dedicated thread for this wheel. 💡

 

[JohnBodin]

How serious.
I think that they could have made it a DFGT competitor if only they put a gear driven FFB system inside. It would have been a better and more enjoyable product that way at an entry level. Using an elastic band just isn't what I would expect for 100 euro's.

Prior to the T500RS, though, Thrustmaster never created a 900-degree FFB wheel -- all their FFB wheels were just 270 degree wheels, like the original Logitech Wingman Force or the Logitech Momo. And, aside from the Thrustmaster Ferrari F430 Force (and it's sibling, the Rally GT), all the 270-degree gear-driven Thrustmaster FFB wheels were pretty unimpressive, IMO. Better to work on improving the T500 and TX designs than to start from scratch to produce a gear-driven DFGT competitor I think, especially from a price point and profit margin perspective for TM.

 

[Gunstar]

Isn't there a very similar version of this wheel coming for PS4 as well?

 

[oqvist]

I am a longtime owner of the Clubsports and the T500 pedals. After installing and using the Basherboards brake mod, I now prefer the T500 pedals and thus I have sold my Clubsports

I am not alone in the unbiased group then preferring the T500RS pedals. Though it´s kind of 100 % matter of preference and if I was a heal and toer and clutch user I would probably preferr the CSPs as it does have a better clutch and throttle when it doesn´t squeek or mess up. I don´t quite enjoy the maintenance requirements of the CSPs to be honest.

One big plus is the easy to get hanging position. It just feels more ergonomic to me my feets tend to be to locked on floor mounted pedals make it harder to get some rest for endurance races. I would wish the T500Rs pedals was mounted higher though. I am trying without the floor plate now but the bar means it´s must minimally lower. Have to angle my foot to much to be perfect ergonomic wise and it I would get my position in a more natural position I may get a more consistent brake feel. As the pedal plates is to low I happen to place my foot soles to high which means it´s much harder to get full brake pressure with my bushings and causes more strain. On the club sports I had more issues with the throttle which was just a bit to much travel. That would been less of a problem if it was hanging though and you could push the pedals rather then just have to use your wrist. I am quite stiff.

btw Basher or anybody has there been any calculations on what the max braking force is with different bushings? I am contemplating some end game pedals and wonder what max braking force capabilities I could find useful.

HE sim professional pedals or HPP pedals is kind of alluring at the moment.

 

[mrbasher]

btw Basher or anybody has there been any calculations on what the max braking force is with different bushings? I am contemplating some end game pedals and wonder what max braking force capabilities I could find useful.

I started the process of measuring this some time ago but ended up getting pulled in another direction(s). I had measured the G27 pedals, Clubsport pedals, and was going to do all of my bushings but just never got around to finishing. I was going to produce graphs of pressure vs output and possibly pressure vs travel, etc. I had planned do it it on my two cars as well. I have a '07 VW GTI and '01 BMW M5. Maybe some day...

 

[Zero7159]

I am not alone in the unbiased group then preferring the T500RS pedals. Though it´s kind of 100 % matter of preference and if I was a heal and toer and clutch user I would probably preferr the CSPs as it does have a better clutch and throttle when it doesn´t squeek or mess up. I don´t quite enjoy the maintenance requirements of the CSPs to be honest.

Before I installed the Basherboards mod, I did prefer the Clubsports to the T500 pedals with the Thrustmaster provided "realistic brake mod." Once I installed the Basherboards mod and spent some serious time with the T500 pedals, I never went back to the Clubsports. 👍

 

[oqvist]

I went back and forth it was kind of a close call but the T500Rs pedals did integrate a bit better for me and that it´s virtually free don´t hurt either.

But they are not end game pedals.

btw does everyone get the wheel starting the calibration process while you are using other electrical devices? Whenever I use my recliner bed motors the wheel calibrates. Or if I hook a power adapter to a notebook every single time. Kind of weird...

 

[Dean]

I don't... Maybe there's not enough power available? I really don't have any idea what else it could be.

 

[Germinator]

As far as I know, that's how it's supposed to be, as it's written like that in the manual. My light is green, and I use the GT mode. 👍

There must have been a glitch in the matrix somewhere lol
I've been using it for over a year now with the green light mode and it was assigned to the f1 configuration. Number 2 in the picture:

https://www.gtplanet.net/first-pict...r-t500rs-wheel/thrustmaster-t500rs-pedal-set/

I wouldn't mind but that red light

 

[Germinator]

whatever happened to the official loadcell add-on for the t500rs, was it just an elaborate hoax?

 

[JogoAsobi]

whatever happened to the official loadcell add-on for the t500rs, was it just an elaborate hoax?

No, they decided not to put it on the market for an un-discloded reason.
Somewhere a while back on this thread someone posted that correspondence.

 

[oqvist]

load cells is unreliable guess they expected to many rmas.

 

[JogoAsobi]

load cells is unreliable guess they expected to many rmas.

A while back on this thread J Bodin posted that the pictures of the official load cell indicated that it might use similar type employed by Fanatec. I don't believe your blanket statement that load cells are unreliable is accurate.
I have yet to see any posts anywhere about J Bodin's T500 LC failing, its of a different type though.
No doubt J. Bodin will expound further on this subject once he sees these posts to clarify.

 

[oqvist]

Any clubsport owner will tell you that their loadcells brake and need replacement at a faster rate then a regular potentiometer

But as you say there is different kind of loadcells but they are not the most reliable in the long run . If you pick one used by cranes you could expect many years of use though

 

[JohnBodin]

load cells is unreliable guess they expected to many rmas.

The Fanatec CSP pedals don't use a load cell -- they use a pressure-sensitive resistor.

In comparison, the load cell used in my BLC-T500 Load Cell Mod is a proper beam-type load cell. I had a beta tester press so hard on the pedal they BENT the load cell bracket . . . and didn't do ANY damage at all to the load cell (it's still in use now, a little over two years later).

To date, I haven't had a single load cell failure with my mods.

So, sorry -- you're wrong. Proper load cells can be VERY reliable . . . the "load cells" used by Fanatec AREN'T proper load cells per se, and they're not as reliable as a "proper" load cell.