The Tuner Garage Battle Thread [CLOSED]
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- manimillion
What are the requirements for test drivers? I wouldn't mind being one.
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- Thunderstruck598
I'm up for some driving.
If there is in anyway possible to use Nurburgring full course instead of trial mountain I would be more than happy and confident to sign up. I have been doing nothing but less than 300hp or 350hp runs on sports tires at Nurburgring (with racing tires at times) for the past 3 weeks. I have also been experimenting with a wide variety of cars and tunes, a few of them being tunes from this forum (shoutout to RKM's EK tune and APR's DC5 tune, both extremely solid choices). I'm not a professional by all means but i'm fairly confident now with the course, entry/exit speeds, and lines to take on all the corners. FF and 4WD cars would definitely be my stronger point as well.
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- KonKongg
I don't recommend using the 'ring for two reasons;
1) Its too long. (each tuner will need to contribute at least 5 laps per tune)
2) There's too much variance, resulting in anomalies when processing the raw data. (unless we have a large pool of data exceeding 1000 to reduce type 2 errors OR we do repeated trials - whereby all results are done by one person - lol don't recommend that)
Shorter courses are better for reasons opposite to the two mentioned above.
Cheers
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If we end up having a lot of tuners, I would suggest setting up the competition in a slightly different way. I see a big problem with racing 100+ laps in the same cars on different tunes, by that many laps even the best test drivers will probably be driving differently due to boredom / experience / varying levels of wife aggro, and it will probably affect the times.
Setting up a league system could make it a much more interesting experience, that generated much more meaningful results. Say we have 12 tuners:
First round league just 3 laps, its only a qualification stage, to clear out the absolute best from the worst.
Qualification A: Tuning Honda S2000, 6 tuners, 3 laps each, top 2 qualify
Qualification B: Tuning Audi TT, 6 tuners, 3 laps each, top 2 qualify
Final: Tuning Lambo Gallardo, 4 Tuners, 10 laps each
A lot less boredom factor for the drivers, so much better results!
I dont think we need to worry about car cost that much, for anyone interested in test driving properly, the cost is going to be negligible anyway. Even 500k can be earnt in like half an hour with minimal effort if you just grind it.
Oh, and Sign Me Up as a driverI'm not the best, but I'm fairly consistent at being average!
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PS: Great suggestion, much like the tournament-style format suggested earlier. It would take longer to crown a champion for each car, but might be worth it. I'll investigate.
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Slow is good! The larger the cross section of driver talent we have, the more valid the results from a statistical viewpoint.
Well, most agreed that they would like to wait until the new year to begin.
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Much like vette said, the course is a bit too long, with too much room for error. The ring tests the driver a bit more than we would like. We're trying to isolate driver talent and bring out the value of the tune through running a large number of laps on a short course. Running a smaller set of laps on a longer course will hurt our efforts.
Sorry about the wait, I added you.
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- docholiday720
Thanks for adding me as a driver.
One suggestion I have is to drive whatever car is picked 5 to 10 laps stock. This way you could see the difference between stock and tuned.
Doc
One suggestion I have is to drive whatever car is picked 5 to 10 laps stock. This way you could see the difference between stock and tuned.
Doc
Awesome information in this thread, if any tuners or drivers would like to have their work featured contact me @ freegt5tunes@gmail.com
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- artic_zap
Do like this idea. Difference between stock and tunes would be nice.
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- GTP_Leonidae_MFT
Probably around next month, but I asked him to take a look at the old GT4 era tuner challenges, as well as to arrange preliminary rounds for the test drivers in order to see who of them all can actually drive..
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- PumpinNumbies
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- KonKongg
I think we should compile a list of cars that are grabbing most attention on gtp at the moment, select 10 of them and make a pole on this thread.
Driver wise, I think preliminary testing to discern the abilities of prospecting drivers is absolutely empirical. I reckon all prospective drivers should post their quickest lap times on X circuit/track to Psychotik via PM, and finalist will be selected from that list.
Driver wise, I think preliminary testing to discern the abilities of prospecting drivers is absolutely empirical. I reckon all prospective drivers should post their quickest lap times on X circuit/track to Psychotik via PM, and finalist will be selected from that list.
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- KonKongg
I call for all aids off because we can't exactly account for how much a difference these driver aids would make to your lap times. In retrospect, if we do elect driver aids, then everyone should adopt them regardless of their preference to eliminate any extraneous variables so to speak.
On the other hand, how a car is tuned is left to the discretion of the tuner. He or she may very well opt for an N/A whereas others choose a turbo. This will make the competition more intriguing and diversified, but again the track has to be appropriate and mustn't be partial to excessive power or the lack of it.
As much as I like top gear, I do not elect their test track for this competition's purposes simply because it favours 'fast cars'. Something like Tsukuba, Trial Mountain, or Grand Valley, is more appropriate in my opinion.
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I agree with what you have said completely in regards to aids, and choice of aspiration for cars, and x factor that it will bring. However I think we should avoid extremely small or large tracks. Small tracks such as Tsukuba do not have enough variance in types of corners, elevation, and corners with elevation and camber. Tracks such as Suzuka, Fuji, Nurburgring GP Full, Trial Mountain and Grand Valley seem better suited to me. They offer a good variety of interesting and challenging corners. As for long tracks they should be avoided because it may be hard for the test drivers to pull of consistently fast lap times; not to discredit they're skills.
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Thanks for volunteering!
I'll certainly check out the GT4 challenges, but regarding the test driver preliminary rounds I'm not too sure it's statistically required if we have enough applicants. I sent you a PM regarding this.
Well, by 'new year', it might mean February as well
Rather than us rush this out with hesitant tuners and some key issues not considered, I'd rather see us having this coming out of the gate strong!
Compiling the list of cars is a great idea, the number 10 works out well too as far as choices go. How shall we determine which are 'grabbing the most attention'?
The problem I see with this are those bloody seasonal events. I'm going to suggest we ignore seasonal event tunes, but that's just me. A Ford Focus ST tune @ stock power may be VERY desirable at the moment, but I think a more relevant car would be the Mazda Furai because it will be used for more than one silly challenge.
Would you like to be listed as a tuner or driver?
SRF is CERTAINLY prohibited, as well as ASM, but I suggest we pose no restrictions on ABS and TCS. I say this mostly because TCS and ABS are used by the major tuners in "real life" as well. I don't want to limit our beloved GT5 tuners by some arbitrary rule whereas their "real life" counterparts don't share that restriction.
Also, don't forget, prohibiting TCS when it comes time to tune the Minolta/Toyota car would be pretty silly.
