The Virtual Track Day Series II - Apricot Hill Reverse

[Dave_George]

@Dave - Hope you don't mind but I nicked your format for the time post - looked nice and tidy. 👍

No worries:tup:

Dave

 

[Scaff]

Sorry for OT,but Scaff,that avatar is nice 👍

Thanks for that 👍

R5 Turbo in DIAC colours, my personal favorite for the R5. Here's a bigger version.



Regards

Scaff

 

[De@tthwi§ho0]

Here is a video of the 22B at motorland. Plenty of areas for improvement...

0'49.294

I think you should try to give the rear tyres more grip,, They slip away too easy,, Try using 1 tick of TCS as the power loss doesn't really mind on this track,, Anyways some corners which have two parts,, the first part could be taken wide so thee 2nd part is easier to Apex and you can get your throttle on faster Just somke suggestions,, though the laps doesn't at all look bad

 

[a112]

Thanks for that 👍

R5 Turbo in DIAC colours, my personal favorite for the R5. Here's a bigger version.



Regards

Scaff

I really don't know what that car is missing,but i REALLY know what is REALLY not missing,the car is freakin' Las Vegas!

 

[Dave_George]

Update : Got the Ruf below the 44s mark, a combination of determination and sheer brute force proved it was possible!

0.5s off previous best - see timepost

RUF BTR
Mods:
- Oil
- Sports suspension (stock)
- Semi Racing exhaust (stock)
- Racing flywheel
- Stage 1 turbine kit ---- Motorland Mod

Specs:
Boxer 6: SOHC
3366 cc
426 BHP ( modified )
545.27 Nm
1180 Kg
P/W: 2.730
RR
Turbo

Time: 0'45.247

Deathwish are you sure you have the specs right for the BTR? The stage1 turbo is standard so surely your entitled to another mod? My power is showing at 394ps so Im intrigued as to where you have 426bhp from?? Did you stick the stage 2 turbo on perhaps?

Dave

 

[Filizola]

Update : Got the Ruf below the 44s mark, a combination of determination and sheer brute force proved it was possible!

Wow, impressive! I'm confident I can't break the '45s in my Vantage!

 

[Scaff]

I really don't know what that car is missing,but i REALLY know what is REALLY not missing,the car is freakin' Las Vegas!

Well it does get dark on those night stages

The GT4 rally version gets the same treatment, but in my opinion does not have as good a livery.



Regards

Scaff

 

[De@tthwi§ho0]

Update : Got the Ruf below the 44s mark, a combination of determination and sheer brute force proved it was possible!

0.5s off previous best - see timepost



Deathwish are you sure you have the specs right for the BTR? The stage1 turbo is standard so surely your entitled to another mod? My power is showing at 394ps so Im intrigued as to where you have 426bhp from?? Did you stick the stage 2 turbo on perhaps?

Dave

Yes I did,, Sorry for the typo and any inconvience..

 

[ICallShotgun]

Entries
Budget Div: Mazda RX-7 GTL '85
225hp @ 1280kg
Motorland Mod - Racing Brakes

Classics Div: Ginetta G4 '64
97hp @ 464kg
Motorland Mod - Racing Brakes

Modern Div: Mazda RX-7 Spirit R '02
328hp @ 1270kg
Motorland Mod - Racing Brakes

TT Motorbike Div: Undecided at present

 

[De@tthwi§ho0]

Timepost

Lotus Esprit Turbo HC '87: 0'44.706

Chevrolet Corvette Z06 C5 '00: 0'43.562

RUF Btr: 0'44.474

Control Car time Motorland: Mazda Autozam Az-1: 0'47.491

 

[Dave_George]

Some improvements on my side,, Great job on the Ruf BTW George,, Couldn't get it anywhere near👍

Cheers:tup: I must admit though that lap was on the ragged edge, I would not expect there to be much more time from that car for the rest of the week!


Just thought I would write down a few thoughts on motorland so far, may or may not help you perhaps….

Ok, a quick set of pace notes for motorland and more specifically aimed at extracting the most out of the control car, the Mazda “Mini-me” autozam.

There seem to be two places where the most time can be either lost or gained (in all cars), the first is the chicane straight after the start/finish line and the second is the very tight left handed hairpin about half way round the circuit.

For the first chicane im entering it far over to the left to straighten it as much as possible, a dab on the brakes and down a gear or two in most cars then flick back to the right and try to clip the kerb there, direction changes are key at Motorland and as such cars that can do this without being upset are favoured with quicker lap times. If you get that right you will find your not drifting into the sand, I find a momentary pause off throttle after clipping the kerbs helps here…

Going up the long right hander Im modulating the throttle to maintain speed – Interestingly the Mazda has no problem maintaining 74mph all the way up, besting the Ruf which only manages about 70! Keep over to the left and brake hard whilst turning in to the right hander at the end of the long uphill stretch (Long in motorland terms that is), for the next section I am finding a brutal on/off throttle application is working (in all cars), helping to provoke oversteer in most cases and turn the car, so tight are the corners that unwanted understeer is inevitable….

Clip the rumbles on the next right and just a slight tap of the brakes on the left before the hairpin to stabilize the car, then after a very quick stab of throttle brake early for the hairpin, focus on getting the car twisted round to clip that inside left kerb, if the angles right you can power out with no fear of hitting the grass – a wrong angle however just leads to that moment of off throttle time that ruins your lap.

The next chicane is my favourite section here, Im keeping over to the left, touching the rumbles on the way in and flicking straight to the right with a quick lift of the throttle here and there, the Mazda is flat out in 6th through here and is wonderfully quick at direction changes, the Ruf makes the first turn but as you ask it to turn back the other way all that pendulum effect of the rear engine takes its toll and things start to get a bit messy….smoothness is the key here.

For the last long turn I am finding sometimes going in too deep isn’t that bad, occasionally it means you can exit the turn a bit quicker as it seems to tighten on the exit which can make it awkward if your taking a line through that follows the rumble strips.

Specifically concentrating on the AZ-1 for a moment the following is how I am setting the “Mini-me” up for a motorland super attack:

1) I am finding it responds well to being set up hard, ie stiffer springs and damping

2) I am using gearing of 6.0 for the final drive and then 2 or 3 for the autoset

3) I am changing up at about 8000rpm, the short ratio box helps keep it between 7 and 8000 for most of the lap.

4) Don’t be afraid to be very aggressive with it, it has surprising agility in the corners and does not oversteer that badly, what oversteer there is can help at this circuit!

Well hopefully you found that interesting, just what worked for me at certain points on the track, oh and when driving the AZ-1 chase a ghost of one of your faster cars, it should make you quicker as generally the ghost will be a few car lengths ahead most of the time and not obscuring your view.

Cheers guys

Dave

 

[FastEddie12]

Hold up, Deathwish, we have a problem: You are running the Ruf as a Millionaire's car. No problem with that, except that Millionaire's DON'T get a stage1 turbo as a base mod. That is only something you get with Budget Division cars.

I have to say we're getting some great cars turning up here, some of my all time faves: Fairlady, Vantage, BTR, Stratos, and no Oddysseys! Just waiting for an Elan, and my wishlist for this series will be more or less complete!...

 

[Scaff]

Entries
Budget Div: Mazda RX-7 GTL '85
225hp @ 1280kg
Motorland Mod - Racing Brakes

Classics Div: Ginetta G4 '64
97hp @ 464kg
Motorland Mod - Racing Brakes

Modern Div: Mazda RX-7 Spirit R '02
328hp @ 1270kg
Motorland Mod - Racing Brakes

TT Motorbike Div: Undecided at present

Your power rating have to be in German Steam Horses (PS) rather than bhp and I would strongly suggest that you think again on the mods you have picked.

Racing brakes have no effect on stopping distances at all with S1 tyres, you would need to be running R2s or better to see any improvement (which is not going to happen in the VTD series due to the control tyres.

Racing Brakes Test 1
Racing Brakes Test 2
Racing Brakes - Racing Tyres test

Regards

Scaff

 

[Dave_George]

Hold up, Deathwish, we have a problem: You are running the Ruf as a Millionaire's car. No problem with that, except that Millionaire's DON'T get a stage1 turbo as a base mod. That is only something you get with Budget Division cars.

I have to say we're getting some great cars turning up here, some of my all time faves: Fairlady, Vantage, BTR, Stratos, and no Oddysseys! Just waiting for an Elan, and my wishlist for this series will be more or less complete!...

To be fair the BTR comes standard with a stage 1 - so the stage 2 he has fitted is just his Motorland modification I think.

Mine is entered in the budget division and as it came as standard with a stage 1 I chose not to ask what I could have as a base mod instead....picking my favourite weight reduction mod as my motorland entitlement!

Just decided to leave it as there is plenty work to do keeping the standard power in check....

Dave

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

and no Oddysseys!

just you wait

 

[FastEddie12]

Thanks for that, Dave, I stand corrected . Carry on Deathwish, with my compliments! 👍

And thanks for the rundown, Dave, looks like I was wrong about the Mini-me needing a delicate touch then...

A big welcome to ICall Shotgun (cue polite British applause), those '85 Mazdas did well last time, and the Ginetta is also worth having. Might struggle in the class war, though, as it will be competing directly with some mighty beasts due to the impressive power to weight ratio. BTW, could you post the power to weight for us? saves us having to match specs exactly etc. Using Ballast to keep you in a competitive class is fine, BTW, though you probably knew that.

PS Shouldn't someone from Rockford be using a gold Camaro? Just a thought... Never mind, I'll tell a funny joke one day

 

[De@tthwi§ho0]

No problem Fasteddie,, And thanks to Dave for mentioning that.,, I believe I did the wrong mod on the BTR,, power isn't an issue at Motorland and the suspension ould've used some work.. Anyways I'm happy with the times I hav know,, not much more in it with my skills I guess..

 

[FastEddie12]

Finally got the Esprit into the 44s with a 44.883". I'd like to get a touch closer to the other Esprit, but I'm not sure that's on. Actually, I'd like to blow it into the weeds, but it seems the power option was the way to go ...

Still, at least I'm ahead of Dave's bloody Renault!

Could really do with a leaderboard, now...

 

[Dave_George]

Finally got the Esprit into the 44s with a 44.883". I'd like to get a touch closer to the other Esprit, but I'm not sure that's on. Actually, I'd like to blow it into the weeds, but it seems the power option was the way to go ...

Still, at least I'm ahead of Dave's bloody Renault!

Could really do with a leaderboard, now...

Err sorry boss but the french hatch is proving a talented little car!!

New update for the Clio and the NSX-R:

Setting both up with stiff suspension yielded yet more time

0.3s for the NSX-R This gets better the more you drive it

0.6s for the Clio Taking it by the scruff of the neck and threshin it to within an inch of its life seems to be working!

See time post for times - Also added a current mileage indicator for each car to date.

regards

Dave

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

ok times so far to get in before the deadline
golf r32 ,ptw is 5.599
time:46.930

levin ptw 5.874
time:48.443

the levin loves this track

slr ptw 2.666
time:42.579

az1-49,290


oh and as a treat for being top at the mo i got the rid of the steelies and got these,really does make the SLR look the dogs

 

[guska]

Could really do with a leaderboard, now...

Yeah yeah yeah yeah, give me a chance...sheesh! Wednesday isn't over yet! I will getonto it as soon as I can!

-edit-

Leaderboard updated to this post

Is there any way to create a table in a post?

 

[De@tthwi§ho0]

Those are some awesome new times Dave:tup:

 

[Scaff]

Took some tiem last night to have a good play aorund with the AZ-1 and the 350z.

Had a great session with the 350z, knocking a major amount of time off my last figures, to the tune of 3 seconds.

Also finaly starting to get to grips with the track, as I also managed to knock a second off my AZ-1 time.

Fingers crossed for some more time tonight (got to get the bike figured and maybe another car).

Time post updated.

Regards

Scaff

 

[Dave_George]

Those are some awesome new times Dave:tup:

Cheers:tup: Going to have to spend some time with the NSX-R now and see if it can waste that SLR....

Good we have a leaderboard - My time for the control car needs changing to 0'46.387 to be correct though.

thanks

Dave

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

you wish

best now is 41.413

slr is getting 8.5 miles to the gallen which isnt bad,thats the same as a 216bhp mk1 octavia vrs around knockhill (fact of the day)

 

[Dave_George]

Some minor improvements for the NSX-R and the Mazda this morning but It really wasnt coming together.

The amount of mileage needed to improve now is getting quite a lot so I think im nearly done with Motorland. Been good fun though.

regards

Dave

 

[guska]

My time for the control car needs changing to 0'46.387 to be correct though.

Fixed

I really need to find some time, I KNOW those cars are quicker than that!

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

I KNOW those cars are quicker than that!

they are but the driver........ lol

 

[FastEddie12]

Congratulations to Holden for getting to the top of the leaderboard - even if he was in the fastest car on the (GT)planet...

Goose, just give me the keys to the saleen. Now, Goose.

 

[Holdenhsvgtsr]

well best bike time so far is 47.852 in an r6