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Prisons are a fertile ground for radicalisationSo put them in prison, and bring the vulnerable and at-risk youth to them for intervention.
Then you risk the suffering of a lot more children.prisonermonkeysAt no point should "the suffering of a child is acceptable" be a policy.
Once again, you read what you want to read in someone's comments. Go back and read what I said again. I was talking about the people who are radicalised, but grow disillusioned with the ideology. They're hardly likely to become re-radicalised.Prisons are a fertile ground for radicalisation
Except both of us know that this isn't the case. If a young child taken to Iraq or Syria can be so easily influenced to be radicalised, then they can be just as easily influenced away from it, because a child's mind is malleable - it doesn't fully develop until the teenage and adulthood.Then you risk the suffering of a lot more children.
And how do you tell if they're disillusioned?
Are you being deliberately obtuse? I have made it pretty clear that this applies to the former radicals who are no longer radicalised - so how, exactly, are they supposed to radicalise others when they no longer believe in the cause?Can you say those returning won't radicalise other prisoners?
So you want to put former radicals in prison, hope they don't radicalise others and then...release them back into society?
Begs the question, who are our leaders??I wonder how long 'our leaders' will stand by and watch.
A cancer needs to be cut out before it spreads itself, the sooner the better.
Those nitwits that like to call themselves that wayBegs the question, who are our leaders??
What I find most concerning is that it takes 3 words in Dutch to say "like".Another Dutch Isis nut has been killed in the caliphate.
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Another one who will not be coming back.
What I find most concerning is that it takes 3 words in Dutch to say "like".
Talking about the other inmates.... Can you say those returning won't radicalise other prisoners? And how do you tell if they're disillusioned?
That's a bit extreme. The suggestion was deny them re-entry.You're right, all places where radicalisation of any kind might occur should be closed immediately. We should close prisons, schools, hospitals, playgrounds and, worst of all, internet forums. You should see the nutters on forums, honestly.
I think they might rise to applaud actually.Sun Tzu and Machiavelli might approve from their graves.
Because it's an Islamist country helping an Islamist organisation. Still, their elections are a sign of hope.
I would like to throw this caveat in there, it may not be the official government position to help ISIS, but it isn't going to stop ordinary citizens from doing it either. That is why Turkey is a popular point to be smuggled into ISIS controlled lands. If the US, and the rest of the world quite frankly, want Turkey to crank down on people who do provide material support, one way to do it is not by economic sanctions, but by blanket travel bans not unlike the one that is applied to Syria.Complexification: Turkey is helping ISIS because Turkey is a Sunni country and ISIS is the sole source of security and stability for Sunnis in Iraq and Syria. The US, Britain, Saudi Arabia and many other countries support ISIS on that basis as well.
Sunni is the majority of Muslims in the Middle East. When the US invaded, conquered and installed democracy in Iraq, it broke the back of Sunni relative to Shia. Al Qaeda and now ISIS have stepped in to fill the void, and to prevent Iran and the Shia from controlling the failed state of Iraq.
IMO, we are all on the horns of a dilemma. We must support the majority in the Middle East, because we are democrats and for the majority. The Sunni are the majority. However much we dislike their tactics, we grin and bear it. We made the giant mistake of destroying the Sunni regime in Iraq and allowing the Shia to take power, a mistake we might have to live with in perpetuity. ISIS is the Frankenstein monster we have created by default. The only conceivable road to progress is to divide up Iraq into regions according to Sunni/Shia/Kurd. But now we lack the money, energy, vision, time, and political goodwill to accomplish this remediation. Our toolkit to fix things consists mainly of hammers.
I would like to throw this caveat in there, it may not be the official government position to help ISIS, but it isn't going to stop ordinary citizens from doing it either. That is why Turkey is a popular point to be smuggled into ISIS controlled lands.