The war on ISIS.

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TenEightyOne
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This is the key phrase here... it's not Iranian land, nor is it 'Islamic' land (since there's no such thing). The reasons why modern-day Israel exists at all are complex and rooted in deep history, so it's not nearly as straightforward as this. Furthermore, Muslims in the US do not require a protected enclave because of the way the US enshrines basic human rights in the Constitution and guarantees freedom to its citizens to practice whatever religion they want, so the comparison doesn't really work on that basis either. The question is why is the Supreme Leader of Iran making bellicose statements about wiping out Israel (yet again...) and calling the US 'The Great Satan' while the US President is preparing to push through a deal that will massively benefit Iran despite being so unpopular at home that it may require a veto?
 
Touring Mars
This is the key phrase here... it's not Iranian land, nor is it 'Islamic' land (since there's no such thing). The reasons why modern-day Israel exists at all are complex and rooted in deep history, so it's not nearly as straightforward as this. Furthermore, Muslims in the US do not require a protected enclave because of the way the US enshrines basic human rights in the Constitution and guarantees freedom to its citizens to practice whatever religion they want, so the comparison doesn't really work on that basis either. The question is why is the Supreme Leader of Iran making bellicose statements about wiping out Israel (yet again...) and calling the US 'The Great Satan' while the US President is preparing to push through a deal that will massively benefit Iran despite being so unpopular at home that it may require a veto?
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I agree, Iran's opposition is more about Zionist occupation of holy Isla'amic land rather than loss of their "own" territory.

Why are they taking their current stance? They know that the US are keen to make deals, Iran are showing that they don't really need or want the trade, I mean... what could be in it for them? There's also an internal expectation (given Iran's slightly upside-down power structure) that America will be treated harshly. That's alongside the default expectation that Iran's government will continue to pour vitriol on Israel.

I think Iran is coming of age in some ways - there are modern agendas in this era of globalisation which Iran needs to be part of while maintaining the historic internal agendas (or the appearance of such) that holds their power structure in place.
 
Touring Mars
The question is why is the Supreme Leader of Iran making bellicose statements about wiping out Israel (yet again...) and calling the US 'The Great Satan' while the US President is preparing to push through a deal that will massively benefit Iran despite being so unpopular at home that it may require a veto?
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TenEightyOne
Why are they taking their current stance? They know that the US are keen to make deals, Iran are showing that they don't really need or want the trade, I mean... what could be in it for them?

I think Iran is coming of age in some ways - there are modern agendas in this era of globalisation which Iran needs to be part of while maintaining the historic internal agendas (or the appearance of such) that holds their power structure in place.
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Some say there is a secret Washington - Tehran axis in the works! :odd:

The Great Satan and Death to Israel schtick is just smoke and bluster.

http://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2015/02/09/the-washington-tehran-axis/

http://mosaicmagazine.com/essay/2015/02/obamas-secret-iran-strategy/

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Iranian President Hassan Rouhani, left, talks to his Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif at Davos in 2014. AP Photo/Michel Euler.
 
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Touring Mars
That doesn't make any sense, but never mind...

Granted, @DCP is correct about one thing - the nuclear deal with Iran is a very, very bad idea.

Indeed, anyone who shares President Obama's optimism that détente with Iran is the best way forward for peace and stability in the Middle East (and elsewhere) may want to take a look at the Ayatollah Khamenei's twitter feed today, where he calls the US the 'Great Satan' and insists that Israel will not exist in 25 years time, and that Israel will 'face no moment of serenity' through 'heroic' jihadi 'morale'. https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir
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That's the problem. People think the things in their lives are bigger than what is actually happening in this world.
Everyone would agree that bullies in this world are not welcome, because humble innocent people become their victims.
No one can actually do anything. The only One that did promise revenge is none other than the Sky Daddy.

It may surprise many skeptics, but Israel will stand. Not even the nukes will prevail. Believe it or not.
The so called goat herders saw it over 2000 years ago. It's no coincidence.
Even Mark Twain couldn't understand how the Jews always conquered all. If only people would open their eyes and seriously question this covenant the Sky Daddy made with Israel.
 
TenEightyOne
Related to Iraq how?
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Boko Haram have renamed themselves the Islamic State of West Africa, and pledged allegiance to ISIS and its Caliph earlier in the year.

ISIS isn't a localized problem anymore. Their main goal of reestablishing the Caliphate is resonating with extremist Muslims all over the globe. The networks that they have established as a result is not good for Europe and the West in general as we are the last vestige of free culture that remains on Earth.

Just today, a Gaza terror group pledged allegiance to ISIS and its Caliph:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/gaza-jihad-group-pledges-allegiance-to-the-islamic-state
 
Sanji Himura
Boko Haram have renamed themselves the Islamic State of West Africa, and pledged allegiance to ISIS and its Caliph earlier in the year.
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So a group active 3,000 miles from Iraq are related to Iraq because they pledge allegiance to ISIS. I see. Perhaps you'd be better in the Islam thread?

Sanji Himura
Jihad John tops UK's Kill List:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/jihadi-john-tops-uks-kill-list-of-islamic-state-targets
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Well that's a teeth-gnashing, eye-crossing turd of a site, thanks for the experience :)

From that story, regarding the death of Reyaad Khan (I quoted the 'Graph as the FT is a pay paper);

David Allen Green in the FT
When someone is killed by state action “who deserves it” then it is always tempting to convert one’s normative view into a positive statement that the death was lawful. But for me, the legal problem with the killing of Reyaad Khan is that to invoke Article 51 of the Charter is to perhaps push “self defence” beyond the limits of elasticity.
"Article 51 is not a general “licence to kill” terrorists on sight wherever in the world they may be found – a “licence” here meaning something which permits an action which would otherwise be unlawful. Some may say that the UK government should have such a licence to kill; but that is not what the law actually says.

"For me, this killing prompts various questions. What are the limits of “self defence” when faced with international terrorism? Is the contention that any preemptive attack can be justified if the target is a terrorist? When does “self defence” simply merge with a “shoot to kill” policy?
"In 1988 the UK government sanctioned the killing of three IRA terrorists in Gibraltar. It must have seemed a good idea to the UK government at the time; but under scrutiny the UK government’s account of what happened unravelled. Indeed, the UK government (and the security and police forces) do not have a great track record when pleading “terrorism” when killing people. There is a good reason why life and death should not depend on the executive’s fiat."
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Food for thought, you raise an interesting point.
 
TenEightyOne
So a group active 3,000 miles from Iraq are related to Iraq because they pledge allegiance to ISIS. I see. Perhaps you'd be better in the Islam thread?
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No, the reverse is actually true. The ISIS issue has become too broad for such an narrow topic to cover.

As far as the David Allen Green quote, there was an American that was killed by way of a drone strike in Yemen a few years ago. As said person was an American, he was not granted certain protections that was due to him by the Constitution like a trial by jury, the ability to confront his accusers in open court, and so on. The legal BS that was given at the time basically said that he was in the overt act of treason (as defined by Article 3, Section 3 by waging war against the US and giving the enemy aid and comfort), he could be marked for death.

We have those protections in our founding documents so that garbage actions by any administration that happens to be in power at the time can't mark an average citizen for death just because the political beliefs of the day disagree with the citizen. That is why when the FBI puts out its 10 most wanted, normally they warn the bounty hunters to stay away from the most dangerous criminals, because simply being a criminal on the run doesn't warrant a death unless the criminal does something stupid and gets himself killed in the process.
 
Sanji Himura
No, the reverse is actually true. The ISIS issue has become too broad for such an narrow topic to cover.
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Then you're in the wrong thread or need a title change.

Sanji Himura
As far as the David Allen Green quote, there was an American that was killed by way of a drone strike in Yemen a few years ago. As said person was an American, he was not granted certain protections that was due to him by the Constitution like a trial by jury, the ability to confront his accusers in open court, and so on. The legal BS that was given at the time basically said that he was in the overt act of treason (as defined by Article 3, Section 3 by waging war against the US and giving the enemy aid and comfort), he could be marked for death.

We have those protections in our founding documents so that garbage actions by any administration that happens to be in power at the time can't mark an average citizen for death just because the political beliefs of the day disagree with the citizen. That is why when the FBI puts out its 10 most wanted, normally they warn the bounty hunters to stay away from the most dangerous criminals, because simply being a criminal on the run doesn't warrant a death unless the criminal does something stupid and gets himself killed in the process.
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Read this, in American law if somebody is plotting criminal acts in the US despite being abroad then they can be hunted. If they actively evade capture or will clearly use deadly force to escape arrest then the natural American legal conclusion is in effect. You might not agree with it but that's how it is, sadly.
 
It is the goal, and instead of allowing their powerful god to do so, they are doing it for their god.

61:9 He it is Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islamic monotheism) to make it victorious over all (other) religions even though the Mushrikûn (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, and disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah and His Messenger Muhammad) hate (it). (Hilali and Khan, The Noble Qur’an, Riyadh: Darussalam, 1996)
 
mister dog
We're in trouble, how on earth are they going to stop ISIS using these to send fighters inside Europe...
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I think it's a small worry - it's far easier to trace malicious comms/stockpiling within Europe than without. There are plenty of "homegrown" activists too. Let them come, it makes them far easier to catch.
 
You can buy fake passports for a whole shedload of countries that are less likely to raise alarms with European authorities than a Syrian passport. It's like trying to run a Nigerian Finance Ministry scam with a Nigerian e-mail address.

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And given how long and convoluted processing is for many refugees, I'd wager that actually trying to sneak in ISIS fighters with them would be a lot less productive than simply getting them in via other channels.
 
The Mirror
"When we look carefully at this photo of Pluto, we will notice an Arabic sentence which means Allah loves Mohammed," the ISIS propagandist claimed.
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Bad luck, ISIS, North Korea landed there last week and established The Dear Leader Astronomical Facility Number 37.

I'd take the whole ISIS story with a large pinch of salt; it's likely to make the clickbait rounds now but this is The Mirror.
 
Some major developments going on in Syria.

According to Michael R Gordon writing in the NY Times, the US has begun mil-to-mil talks in coordination with Russia's sudden build-up in the Latakia district, a pivot for the administration. The new Russian base is deploying advanced fighters, troop-transport helicopters, helicopter gunships and tanks.
 
Dotini
Some major developments going on in Syria.

According to Michael R Gordon writing in the NY Times, the US has begun mil-to-mil talks in coordination with Russia's sudden build-up in the Latakia district, a pivot for the administration. The new Russian base is deploying advanced fighters, troop-transport helicopters, helicopter gunships and tanks.
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Maybe the west can finally see that for now it isn't Assad who needs to be fought.

The west + Russia going all in should solve the IS crisis pretty quick. Search and destroy, no prisoners.
 
Dennisch
Maybe the west can finally see that for now it isn't Assad who needs to be fought.

The west + Russia going all in should solve the IS crisis pretty quick. Search and destroy, no prisoners.
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If only! :lol:

The "pivot" is likely to be highly controversial!
 

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