The "war on police" in America

[McLaren]

keep trying..The attitude of blaming the victim is flat offensive!

Well of course it is when society has folks like you who want to believe every one shot by a cop is a helpless victim instead of a criminal.

 

[Garage13]

ok so it's entirely the cop's fault that they're breaking the law(sarc)

 

[Garage13]

McLaren your avatar is a nice one.who is she?

 

[playnthru]

Well of course it is when society has folks like you who want to believe every one shot by a cop is a helpless victim instead of a criminal.

or folks like you who believe everyone a cop stops is a criminal. 👎

 

[McLaren]

FTFY

keep trying..The attitude of blaming the victim is flat offensive!

or folks like you who believe everyone a cop stops is a criminal. 👎

What a wealth of informative reasoning to back up this post.

Ever notice how they are far more cops killing civilians than civilians killing cops? Right! Because somehow that's just anecdotal whereas this passes for hard facts.

Most of the civilians killed by police tend to end up being criminals. Most of the civilians who end up killing police tend to end up also being shot or killed by another officer. This isn't difficult to grasp, just as if a statistic says whites commit the most crimes in a neighborhood that ends up being predominately white to begin with.

 

[huskeR32]

Most of the civilians killed by police tend to end up being criminals.

Until "most" becomes "all," this is something worth talking about.

 

[playnthru]

What a wealth of informative reasoning to back up this post.


Most of the civilians killed by police tend to end up being criminals. Most of the civilians who end up killing police tend to end up also being shot or killed by another officer. This isn't difficult to grasp, just as if a statistic says whites commit the most crimes in a neighborhood that ends up being predominately white to begin with.

"criminals"

 

[Dennisch]

"criminals"

You can't say that anymore. The new phrase is: We gotta thin out their numbers.

 

[McLaren]

"criminals"

So anyone an officer fatally shoots can't be a criminal because you put it in quotations?

Again, strong argument....

Until "most" becomes "all," this is something worth talking about.

And I didn't say it wasn't. It's unfortunate that some folks get caught up in it.

 

[TenEightyOne]

So anyone an officer fatally shoots can't be a criminal because you put it in quotations?

No, but nobody said that. Nor is the reverse true; "anyone an officer fatally shoots is a criminal because they weren't in quotations".

The fact is that some are criminals before the incident (regardless of whether their conduct during the incident was statutorily criminal), some are not. That doesn't mean that all shootings by police are correct or justifiable regardless of the criminality of the victim.

 

[playnthru]

So anyone an officer fatally shoots can't be a criminal because you put it in quotations?

*sighs*

A) I'm not trying to persuade anyone. I stated an opinion.
B) You haven't made any argument your own self. All you've done is try and make assumptions about the kind of person I am, because i disagree with you. That alone tells me you're not worth debating with.

Have a nice day 👍

 

[McLaren]

*sighs*
B) You haven't made any argument your own self. All you've done is try and make assumptions about the kind of person I am, because i disagree with you. That alone tells me you're not worth debating with.

Have a nice day 👍

Your post on the last page was one I and Johnnypenso responded to. All you did was switch words around or make the most vague comment; "criminals", "FTFY".

So, as you say, "you're not worth debating with".

 

[FoolKiller]

the reason why cops are killing civilians is perhaps those civilians are engaging in illegal activity or commit actions that would lead cops to believe they were in the middle of such an act or shooting at cops.
cops have an multi faceted job description i encourage you to watch paul harvey's the policeman on youtube if you would like to get a good perspective of the job description of a cop

The problem I see is that every unarmed person shot by a cop has cop defenders make comments like this.

How is a toddler in a crib guilty enough to get a flash bang in the face or a 12-year-old sleeping girl guilty of something to deserve a bullet to the head?


Not all shootings are because of bad cops, but not all cops are innocent at all times. They have a legal right to kill. They should and must be scrutinized very closely.

 

[Johnnypenso]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/06/us/las-vegas-police-shooting/index.html

A man with a semiautomatic handgun ambushed two officers who'd stopped their patrol car at a traffic light in Las Vegas on Sunday, police said. McMahill said his department has changed the way it deploys officers, sending out two-officer units "because of the narrative of violence against police across the country." "We are certainly working on pins and needles," he told KSNV. "(That is) part of the reason we doubled them up. So we have two officers available immediately whenever an incident occurs."

 

[TenEightyOne]

It's bloody irresponsible, it's clear from @FoolKiller's figures that incidences of this type of crime are falling... if anything the "War on Cops" rhetoric is more likely to cause some nutter to take his personal, misguided grievances out on LEOs.

I said that some time ago... apparently echoed by the Vegas police chief, as posted by @Johnnypenso.

McMahill said his department has changed the way it deploys officers, sending out two-officer units "because of the narrative of violence against police across the country."

Sad. News channels that are too stupid to see that policing is the safest its ever been (in terms of the deaths of officers) are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. Does the US have the equivalent of D-notices? Should be enforced now if they do.

 

[huskeR32]

McMahill said his department has changed the way it deploys officers, sending out two-officer units "because of the narrative of violence against police across the country."

Sad. News channels that are too stupid to see that policing is the safest its ever been (in terms of the deaths of officers) are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I've a hunch that you've misinterpreted Johnnypenso's reasons for posting that. I think he views the "narrative of violence against police" line as confirmation that his "war on police" is actually happening. If not, it's a surprising and sudden about-face from him.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I've a hunch that you've misinterpreted Johnnypenso's reasons for posting that. I think he views the "narrative of violence against police" line as confirmation that his "war on police" is actually happening. If not, it's a surprising and sudden about-face from him.

How many police officers have to be targeted for execution before there's a "war on police"? What's your number? 5? 10? 40? What's the acceptable number of police officers targeted for execution for you before we call it a pattern or shift in attitude towards police officers?

 

[huskeR32]

How many police officers have to be targeted for execution before there's a "war on police"? What's your number? 5? 10? 40?

Why does the aggregate total of police killed in the line of duty determine if there is a virtual war on police?

 

[TenEightyOne]

I've a hunch that you've misinterpreted Johnnypenso's reasons for posting that. I think he views the "narrative of violence against police" line as confirmation that his "war on police" is actually happening. If not, it's a surprising and sudden about-face from him.

Surely the words can only mean what they mean? I suspect you're right though.

How many police officers have to be targeted for execution before there's a "war on police"? What's your number? 5? 10? 40?

That's not how wars work. You have to show that the police-killers are acting as a cohesive group. Otherwise you don't have a war, you have a number of separate, unconnected attacks. Just as you have now. A cohesive group that is at war with police may have 1 kill to their name, or you may have the lowest ever number of cops killed in a year in completely separate attacks. Like you have now.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Surely the words can only mean what they mean? I suspect you're right though.

That's not how wars work. You have to show that the police-killers are acting as a cohesive group. Otherwise you don't have a war, you have a number of separate, unconnected attacks. Just as you have now. A cohesive group that is at war with police may have 1 kill to their name, or you may have the lowest ever number of cops killed in a year in completely separate attacks. Like you have now.

Your definition, not mine.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Your definition, not mine.

I used the one from the dictionary, it seemed the most appropriate. My definition of "war" is a busty lady on a vespa. You have to say it aloud, obviously.

 

[huskeR32]

Your definition, not mine.

And the numbers that show cop deaths on the decline, but civilian deaths on the rise? Those just our numbers, not yours?

 

[Johnnypenso]

And the numbers that show cop deaths on the decline, but civilian deaths on the rise? Those just our numbers, not yours?

Asked and answered.

Why does the aggregate total of police killed in the line of duty determine if there is a virtual war on police? Why can't the war on police be a subset of the larger issue? If people are deliberately and cold bloodedly targeting police for execution, even while police deaths at the hands of criminals are falling, that's still a war on police in my books.

Also, you failed to answer this:

How many police officers have to be targeted for execution before there's a "war on police"? What's your number? 5? 10? 40? What's the acceptable number of police officers targeted for execution for you before we call it a pattern or shift in attitude towards police officers?

 

[Garage13]

The problem I see is that every unarmed person shot by a cop has cop defenders make comments like this.

How is a toddler in a crib guilty enough to get a flash bang in the face or a 12-year-old sleeping girl guilty of something to deserve a bullet to the head?


Not all shootings are because of bad cops, but not all cops are innocent at all times. They have a legal right to kill. They should and must be scrutinized very closely.

those deaths mind you at least one of them was from a damn drive by shooting by CRIMINALS and she was doing homework.Yeah it's not a baby's fault for being around,it's the damn parents for engaging in something that would warrant the police or swat to come to the house.It's the parents that endangered the life of that kid.It's people like you who don't want to hold criminals responsible for their actions and blame cops for doing their jobs

 

[ryzno]

Even though the house the baby was injured and some of the family had drug dealing histories. The snitch lied. There was no drug activity or drugs in the house at the time.

Reminds me of the grandma down here. that got killed over another misinformed raid.
There are plenty of reasons to not like the police, even if you aren't a criminal.

 

[huskeR32]

Also, you failed to answer this:

Go back and read my post. There's a reason I quoted you at yourself like that.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Go back and read my post. There's a reason I quoted you at yourself like that.

A direct answer in your own words will suffice. Whatever you are trying to say by quoting me as your response is too cryptic for me. If you don't want to answer that's fine.

 

[huskeR32]

A direct answer in your own words will suffice. Whatever you are trying to say by quoting me as your response is too cryptic for me. If you don't want to answer that's fine.

First you imply that it doesn't matter how many cops have died, that it's immaterial to whether or not there's a "war" against them:

Why does the aggregate total of police killed in the line of duty determine if there is a virtual war on police?

Then you wheel around and demand that I provide a number:

How many police officers have to be targeted for execution before there's a "war on police"? What's your number? 5? 10? 40?

Seems a bit contradictory.

 

[Johnnypenso]

First you imply that it doesn't matter how many cops have died, that it's immaterial to whether or not there's a "war" against them:

Then you wheel around and demand that I provide a number:

Seems a bit contradictory.

I've drawn a clear distinction between police officers killed in the line of duty going about their jobs chasing and arresting bad guys and those who were specifically targeted for execution. I've mentioned it more than once and quoted it to you more than once.

Why does the aggregate total of police killed in the line of duty determine if there is a virtual war on police? Why can't the war on police be a subset of the larger issue? If people are deliberately and cold bloodedly targeting police for execution, even while police deaths at the hands of criminals are falling, that's still a war on police in my books.

I'll reword it for you. How many officers have to be targeted for execution, regardless of the aggregate number of police being killed nationwide in the regular performance of their duties, for there to be a war on police? 5, 10, no number is large enough? How many?

 

[Chrunch Houston]

Declared War or (anti-) Police Action, does it really matter?

Here is another shooting, but the good guys got their man. Can I call the cops the good guys? Reading some of the comments in here, I wonder.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/06/us/las-vegas-police-shooting/index.html?eref=rss_latest