The "war on police" in America

Are you saying that until now you have always thought it was cops shooting kids with toy guns?

In the most recent story, the autistic man, who police claim they were aiming at, had a toy truck. The therapist, that actually got shot, can be heard in the video telling police repeatedly that the man did not have a gun, but a toy truck.

In the hand like a gun story, I believe the guy kind of set himself up for it, by allegedly acting hostile (the video starts after the claimed vehicle ramming), and then yelling, "You're going to have to kill me..." Whether he deserved it is a no, but he did act in a fairly stupid way that resulted in the action.

Just a few responses up I replied to @BobK when he linked an article where someone was shot while holding a Wii remote, not once have I ever claimed that cops only shoot when they see toy guns. I asked @Grayfox for some articles because as an LEO I think a lot can be learned from examining bad shoots (any shoot, really) and I actually bring some of these articles up in my yearly in-service to share with my fellow Officers who may have never seen a particular incident.

The most recent story seems all bad for the cop involved and if the facts as presented are correct, he is done and should possibly be charged. That being said, I've seen good shoots where the initial media spin makes the Officer look completely guilty when he in fact wasn't so it will be interesting to see everything involved with this case.
 
Just a few responses up I replied to @BobK when he linked an article where someone was shot while holding a Wii remote, not once have I ever claimed that cops only shoot when they see toy guns. I asked @Grayfox for some articles because as an LEO I think a lot can be learned from examining bad shoots (any shoot, really) and I actually bring some of these articles up in my yearly in-service to share with my fellow Officers who may have never seen a particular incident.

The most recent story seems all bad for the cop involved and if the facts as presented are correct, he is done and should possibly be charged. That being said, I've seen good shoots where the initial media spin makes the Officer look completely guilty when he in fact wasn't so it will be interesting to see everything involved with this case.
The fact that the video cuts from before to after without the shooting having been released leaves a lot of questions, but the fact that the police are claiming they were aiming at the autistic kid and missed, three times, leaves a very questionable situation for the officer. I would hope a trained officer not being attacked could have better marksmanship.
 
The fact that the video cuts from before to after without the shooting having been released leaves a lot of questions, but the fact that the police are claiming they were aiming at the autistic kid and missed, three times, leaves a very questionable situation for the officer. I would hope a trained officer not being attacked could have better marksmanship.

Whether the cop said "I don't know" to the black carer is questionable unless it was recorded then he is really screwed.

I asked @Grayfox for some articles

Should matter who provides articles, I wouldn't just make crap up, I remembered some articles of where cops shot people who did not have a gun
 
The fact that the video cuts from before to after without the shooting having been released leaves a lot of questions, but the fact that the police are claiming they were aiming at the autistic kid and missed, three times, leaves a very questionable situation for the officer. I would hope a trained officer not being attacked could have better marksmanship.

I agree with you 100%. Even if the Officer was justified in shooting the autistic kid (which doesn't seem to be the case) he still has absolutely no excuse for missing three times and hitting someone else. One of the most basic things we're taught on the academy is that you're responsible for every round fired so make damn sure you know what you're shooting at. Like you said, the Officer wasn't under fire so there is no excuse.

Whether the cop said "I don't know" to the black carer is questionable unless it was recorded then he is really screwed.



Should matter who provides articles, I wouldn't just make crap up, I remembered some articles of where cops shot people who did not have a gun

It doesn't matter who provided the articles, I asked you because you were the one that brought it up and like I said prior, I think those incidents can be a very useful training tool.
 
Are you saying that until now you have always thought it was cops shooting kids with toy guns?

In the most recent story, the autistic man, who police claim they were aiming at, had a toy truck. The therapist, that actually got shot, can be heard in the video telling police repeatedly that the man did not have a gun, but a toy truck.

In the hand like a gun story, I believe the guy kind of set himself up for it, by allegedly acting hostile (the video starts after the claimed vehicle ramming), and then yelling, "You're going to have to kill me..." Whether he deserved it is a no, but he did act in a fairly stupid way that resulted in the action.

The policeman in the first case ought to be sacked.

When the unarmed man is yelling at you that the suspect sitting on the ground is mentally ill and is actually unarmed, that's probably a big clue that the suspect is mentally ill and unarmed.



Looking at that, you can see quite clearly that the man is autistic and/or severely retarded. The way he sits. The repetitive rocking motions. Stuff that the police, if they were better trained, should have caught on to.

They were sitting there for quite a while observing the man. Like FK, I am aghast that you have a stationary target, sitting in the middle of the road, like three feet wide, and you manage to miss him while shooting specifically at him.

That's not just poor decision making, that's horrible marksmanship.

 
Not to bring the guns thread into this, but people seriously need to stop thinking that cops around the country practice fire arm shooting on a daily or even weekly basis. I know you aren't suggesting this @niky , but as I've said at length in there, I use to go to competition shootings with my father, and there would be local law enforcement that would participate ever so often but not as regularly as my dad and some others I knew. And these police officers would be beat time and time again, by regular people who don't do any type of job carrying such weapons.

Rather they just practice far more often and want to win competitively, so people really shouldn't think everything is dandy just because the police show up.
 
Not to bring the guns thread into this, but people seriously need to stop thinking that cops around the country practice fire arm shooting on a daily or even weekly basis. I know you aren't suggesting this @niky , but as I've said at length in there, I use to go to competition shootings with my father, and there would be local law enforcement that would participate ever so often but not as regularly as my dad and some others I knew. And these police officers would be beat time and time again, by regular people who don't do any type of job carrying such weapons.

Rather they just practice far more often and want to win competitively, so people really shouldn't think everything is dandy just because the police show up.


Think this must be the case in the forces to judging on how much friendly fire happens!:lol:
 
http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/cpd-says-three-west-side-gangs-plotting-to-shoot-cops/

Leaders from three West Side gang factions allegedly met last week to discuss plans to shoot members of the Chicago Police Department in response to the fatal police shooting of Paul O’Neal. The meeting took place Thursday between higher-ups from the Vice Lords, Black Disciples and Four Corner Hustlers, according to an alert issued to department members the day after the meeting. The Four Corner Hustlers “provided guns” and have “a sniper in place” though authorities do not know where, according to the alert. The Four Corner Hustlers also are supplying the other two gangs with automatic weapons, which all three factions also have agreed to use against police, the alert states.
 
http://m.wbaltv.com/national/doj-report-on-baltimore-police-to-be-released/41125224
A Justice Department investigation found that the Baltimore Police Department engages in unconstitutional practices that lead to disproportionate rates of stops, searches and arrests of African-Americans, and excessive use of force against juveniles and people with mental health disabilities.

The Department of Justice monitored the department's policing methods for more than a year at the request of the Baltimore Police Department, after the 2015 death of Freddie Gray, who suffered a fatal injury while in police custody.

The long-awaited report, which covered data from 2010 to 2016, attributed the practices to "systemic deficiencies" in training, policies, and accountability structures that "fail to equip officers with the tools they need to police effectively."

Gray's death touched off protests and riots in Baltimore and beyond, fueling ongoing debate over racial bias in policing that has drawn the Justice Department's attention. Though the report does not directly reference the actions of officers in the Gray case, it notes that "recent events" underscored the importance of mutual trust between law enforcement and the people they serve, a recurring theme in DOJ investigations of police departments following police-involved deaths of African-Americans.

A DOJ investigation of the Ferguson, Missouri, Police Department after the shooting death of Michael Brown reached a similar conclusion: a "pattern and practice" of discrimination against African-Americans that targeted them disproportionately for traffic stops, use of force, and jail sentences. So did the investigation after the shooting death of 12-year-old Tamir Rice, concluding that Cleveland police have a pattern of excessive force.

The legacy of Gray's death continues to loom large over the city. The federal civil rights report comes weeks after charges were dropped against the remaining officers facing trial in Gray's death.

As a result of the probe, the city and the Justice Department have agreed to negotiate a court-ordered consent decree that will prescribe steps for reform, in addition to steps Baltimore already has taken, city and federal officials told reporters in Baltimore on Wednesday. In June, the department announced an overhaul of its use of force policy.

"Change is painful. Growth is painful. But nothing is as painful as being stuck in a place that we do not belong," Police Commissioner Kevin Davis said.

Here are some of the report's highlights:

Unconstitutional stops and arrests

The report blamed "zero tolerance" enforcement practices that emphasized stops, searches and arrests for repeated violations of constitutional rights that eroded the community's trust.

Encouraged by BPD supervisors, "zero tolerance" policing continues in certain neighborhoods, leading to unconstitutional stops, searches and arrests, with little to no suspicion, the report said.

For example:



• About 44% of those stops occurred in two small predominantly African-American neighborhoods that contain only 11% of the city's population

• Hundreds of individuals were stopped at least 10 times during this period, and seven were stopped more than 30 times

• Only 3.7% of those stops resulted in citations or arrests

• From 2010 to 2015, prosecutors and booking supervisors rejected more than 11,000 charges made by BPD officers because they lacked probable cause or did not merit prosecution

Discrimination against African-Americans

BPD stops African-American drivers and pedestrians at disproportionate rates, subjecting them to greater rates of searches than whites, the report said, creating racial disparities at every stage of law enforcement actions, from stop to arrest.

"These racial disparities, along with evidence suggesting intentional discrimination, erode the community trust that is critical to effective policing," the report said.

Among the investigation's findings:

• African-Americans accounted for 95% of 410 individuals stopped at least 10 times from 2010 to 2016

• One African-American man in his 50s was stopped 30 times in less than four years; none of the stops resulted in a citation or criminal charge

• African-Americans accounted for 82% of all BPD vehicle stops though they make up 60% of the driving age population in the city and 27% percent of the driving age population in the greater metropolitan area

• BPD officers found contraband twice as often when searching white individuals compared to African-Americans during vehicle stops and 50% more often during pedestrian stops

Use of constitutionally excessive force

After reviewing all deadly force cases from January 2010 to May 1, and a random sample of more than 800 than nondeadly force cases, the DOJ concluded that BPD engages in a pattern or practice of excessive force. Insufficient training and lack of oversight of those incidents perpetuate the pattern, leading to several recurring issues:

• Use of overly aggressive tactics that escalate encounters and increase tensions and failure to de-escalate encounters when appropriate to do so

• Frequently resorting to physical force when a person does not immediately respond to verbal commands, even if the subject poses no imminent threat to the officer or others

• Due to a lack of training and improper tactics, BPD officers end up in needlessly violent confrontations with people with mental health disabilities

• Failure to use widely accepted tactics for dealing with juveniles, treating them the same way as adults, leading to unnecessary conflict

• Use of excessive force against people already restrained and under officers' control

Retaliation for activities protected by the First Amendment

DOJ investigators found that officers "routinely infringe" upon First Amendment rights in the following ways:

• Unlawfully stopping and arresting people for cursing at officers, even though it's not illegal to use vulgar or offensive language as long as they are not "fighting words"

• Retaliating with excessive force against people in cases of protected speech

• Interfering with people who record police activity, including a time in which officers seized the phone of a man who recorded his friend being arrested and deleted all the videos on his phone, even personal videos of his son

Indications of gender bias in sexual assault investigations

The report concludes that BPD "seriously and systematically under-investigates" sexual assault reports and engages in practices that "compromise the effectiveness and impartiality" of their investigations. Among the examples cited:

• In interviews with women, officers ask questions or make statements in a manner that places blame on them, such as "why are you messing that guy's life up"? or suggesting their behavior invited the assault

• An email between an officer and a prosecutor expressing disbelief of a survivor, calling her a "conniving little whore"

• A review of case reports involving people in the sex trade indicated a tendency to not take them seriously

• Allegations of disparaging and inappropriate comments toward transgender individuals, including the refusal to call a transgender woman a woman

• Rape cases remain open for years at a time with little to no follow-up

• Detectives request testing of rape kits in fewer than one in five adult sexual assault cases

Need for better training and more accountability

The report dedicates significant space to the department's failure to train, equip, supervise and hold officers accountable, or to build relationships with the community.

"Numerous members of BPD, from line officers to command staff to training personnel, conveyed to us that training is not a priority within the Department," the report says.

The department also fails to collect and record important data on a broad range of activities that could inform their processes, the report said. And when it does, it does not use the data to manage and supervise officer activity.

Next steps

The findings came as little surprise to citizens of Baltimore, who said they witness the instances described in the report on a constant basis.

Kenny Avery, a West Baltimore resident, said his 3-year-old son is already aware of mistreatment by police.

"He's scared of the police, you know what I mean? Just because he see it," he said.

Y.N.E. Pokie, a rapper who lives in West Baltimore, said people avoid calling police even when they need them.

"I don't even call them if I'm in my own predicament," he said. "I don't mess with the police."

The police department already is making changes to key policies, including those on how officers are trained, Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake said Wednesday.

She put the estimated cost of such changes between $5 million and $10 million annually, similar to what other cities have spent on similar changes, she said.

Officers who "choose to engage in racist, sexist , discriminatory or biased-based policing" will not be tolerated, Police Commissioner Davis said. Officers involved in the most egregious examples noted in the report already have been removed from the job, he said, without identifying them or saying how many had been removed.

On Tuesday, Baltimore State's Attorney Marilyn J. Mosby anticipated that the report "will likely confirm what many in our city already know or have experienced firsthand."

"While the vast majority of Baltimore City Police officers are good officers, we also know that there are bad officers and that the department has routinely failed to oversee, train or hold bad actors accountable."
 
Armed criminal shot by police Milwaukee, time to riot because 'BLM!':

When white criminal is shot by police no-one is rioting because ... well, it was criminal and nobody gives a damn. I don't get this BLM mentality, are they really rioting because police is doing their job?

"They not helping the black community"

Proceeds to destroy said black community.

:odd:

Does bunch of blacks who have nothing in common except their skin color qualifies as community? In the English language probably yes, judging by the definition in Oxford dictionary, but it feels very wrong to me. Does white community exists as well or that would be racist? :lol:
 
are they really rioting because police is doing their job?

They're rioting because there is a good chance they can get away with it due to the size of the crowd. Things like police shootings, championships ect. are just convenient excuses. I wouldn't be shocked to learn most rioters didn't even know any specifics about the event they are rioting over.

Does bunch of blacks who have nothing in common except their skin color qualifies as community? In the English language probably yes, judging by the definition in Oxford dictionary, but it feels very wrong to me.

It's a pretty broad term in the English language covering anything from neighborhoods to a group of people with common interests.

Does white community exists as well or that would be racist? :lol:

We prefer the term Caucasian. :sly:
 
And of course, since looting is a hot topic again, here's the mandatory Tumblrina response.

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When white criminal is shot by police no-one is rioting because ... well, it was criminal and nobody gives a damn. I don't get this BLM mentality, are they really rioting because police is doing their job?
It's a shared mindset between Hispanics as well; if somebody did something that got the police involved, they typically get labeled an idiot. Hispanics generally unify on the grounds of immigration, and even then, they separate over the legal and illegals.
 
Now, I only get hearsay on these kind of things but I have read that an armed robber who aimed his gun at the police was shot. The officer he aimed at and who shot him was black but this is from a social media comment and not a credible source, so I'm happy to be either confirmed or corrected on that.

I'm all for championing anti-police brutality. I wouldn't deny it exists on some level. But if the above is true, and the same goes for the similar cases before it, you cannot make martyrs out of thugs and small-time criminals. It's very hard to take that cause seriously when the BLM movement is being highjacked or misappropriated to defend anybody who gets in trouble with the police.

Regardless of your race, some people can, are and will get in trouble with the police for very good and justifiable reasons.

[...]

At one point, the crowd chanted "ready for war," followed by a a chant of "peace, peace, peace."

Really?

Another social media allegation I read was that rioters were attacking the fire brigade and paramedics who were trying to get to the scene at the petrol station. I really hope that isn't true.
 
I can't find a link y'all like and I'm surprised no one has posted this yet, but. During the protests in Milwaukee, after a black cop shot a black criminal carrying an illegal firearm. BLM and the Black Panther protestors found it reasonable to hunt down white people, in retaliation. "We want blood".

http://www.hannity.com/articles/election-493995/watch-milwaukee-rioters-hunting-down-white-15009196/

I'm sorry but if hunting down white people is the new objective, it's time for My Life Matters. I'm ready for war baby.
 
@ryzno, have you actually read this page of the thread yet? There's 10 or so posts above yours discussing the riots.
 
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@ryzno, have you actually read this page of the thread yet? There's 10 or so posts above yours discussing the riots.
True, but none of those posts actually addressed the racially motivated attacks going on at the same time.
 
I can't find a link y'all like and I'm surprised no one has posted this yet, but. During the protests in Milwaukee, after a black cop shot a black criminal carrying an illegal firearm. BLM and the Black Panther protestors found it reasonable to hunt down white people, in retaliation. "We want blood".

http://www.hannity.com/articles/election-493995/watch-milwaukee-rioters-hunting-down-white-15009196/

I'm sorry but if hunting down white people is the new objective, it's time for My Life Matters. I'm ready for war baby.
According to Buzzfeed, you can't go near Milwaukee if you look even remotely white. A Korean reporter named Tim Pool who has covered multiple BLM protests said he had to leave the city for his safety.
https://heatst.com/culture-wars/its-not-safe-to-be-here-veteran-reporter-tim-pool-leaves-milwaukee/




Also, Clinton News Network was caught editing the slain man's sister calling for violence afterwards, claiming she was rallying for people to stop the violence and ignorance. In reality, what she really said was to burn down other places.
Both online and on television, CNN edited out Sherelle Smith, the sister of a black man who was killed by police in Milwaukee on Saturday, calling for rioters to take their violence “to the suburbs.”

Correspondent Ana Cabrera reported Ms. Smith was “calling for peace” in a televised segment Monday on CNN Newsroom, NewsBusters reported.

The network showed a brief clip of Ms. Smith telling protesters: “Don’t bring the violence here and the ignorance here.”

But CNN cut away before Ms. Smith called for rioters to “take that s– to the suburbs.”

“Stop burning down s– we need in our community,” Ms. Smithsaid in her extended remarks. “Take that s– to the suburbs. Burn they s– down. We need our s–. We need our weaves. I don’t wear it. But we need it.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/16/cnn-edits-out-milwaukee-victims-sister-sherelle-sm/

If they weren't stupid enough to be burning down their own neighborhoods, the one person asking them stop is doing so because of fake hair.
 
What exactly do they hope to accomplish by destroying everything? Sure, it gets people's attention, but in the worst way possible. Last time I checked you didn't earn friends by burning bridges, both literally and figuratively.
 
They said there was no gun, not that there wasn't a weapon. The suspect also claimed the vehicle was going to blow up. I think we need to wait to figure out fully what happened before jumping to a white officer shot a black suspect for no reason.
 
I love/hate looking at all the comments for stories like this, it's always the same thing:
  • The person who can't believe this still happens in 20xx.
  • The person who brings politics into it.
  • The obvious supremacist.
  • The "Kill all Cops" person.
  • The person who tries to justify the killing no matter how ridiculous their reasoning is.

People were originally saying that he was reaching inside his car, when it was essentially proven that his window was raised up, they switched it to him being high on PCP. Another problem with this story is that if he was reaching for something in his car, where was he reaching to? Storage locations for a weapon probably wouldn't be right next to the window, so he would have to bend around a bit to grab anything. Lastly, I have no idea why Four/ Five officers couldn't even attempt to restrain a single man. If he really was a serious threat; Have one officer taze him and have the rest tackle him.

They said there was no gun, not that there wasn't a weapon. The suspect also claimed the vehicle was going to blow up. I think we need to wait to figure out fully what happened before jumping to a white officer shot a black suspect for no reason.
We'll never know what fully happened because we only had two sources of exact information; Crutcher and the Officer. One's gonna try to cover up as much as possible and the other one's dead.

This stuff just makes me depressed. When it comes to the point where a level-headed college student has fears of being hurt or killed by the people he wishes he could trust more, something has to change.
 
They said there was no gun, not that there wasn't a weapon. The suspect also claimed the vehicle was going to blow up. I think we need to wait to figure out fully what happened before jumping to a white officer shot a black suspect for no reason.
He had warrants out, five total for various charges like DUI, resisting an officer, drug trafficking, and public intoxication.

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Source: Conservative Tribune

Also, the national media at large left out the story that PCP was found in his car, and that the officer that shot him was trained to spot PCP abuse. (Source) In other words, this dude was high as a freaking kite, and he didn't obey officer instructions when he walked back to his car.
 
Was that enough evidence to warrant a bullet?
Didn't appear like he was in a rage, lunging at the officer, try to grapple with the officer, brandish a weapon, run away or leave the area.

He was tased and a shot was fired.
Did the officer use excessive force? This is what will be determined.
 
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