The "war on police" in America

[Johnnypenso]

Was that enough evidence to warrant a bullet?
Didn't appear like he was in a rage, lunging at the officer, try to grapple with the officer, brandish a weapon, run away or leave the area.

He was tased and a shot was fired.
Did the officer use excessive force? This is what will be determined.

What if you are refusing instructions not to return to your vehicle, you return to your vehicle, reach into your pocket when you get there and then try to reach into the vehicle, all the while apparently high on something? We now know there was no gun but this all happens within a few seconds in real time and many officers have been shot by people disobeying instructions and subsequently reaching into their vehicles.

 

[05XR8]

What if you are refusing instructions not to return to your vehicle, you return to your vehicle, reach into your pocket when you get there and then try to reach into the vehicle, all the while apparently high on something? We now know there was no gun but this all happens within a few seconds in real time and many officers have been shot by people disobeying instructions and subsequently reaching into their vehicles.

I've seen past videos where this has happened and the officer was killed. Those videos were used as training exercises to prevent this from happening. The factor in most of those videos, was due to inexperience of the officer.
However, this particular officer, with her experience, if she supposedly had training for this presumedly "type" of perp, should have waited for back up to arrive instead of following the peep back to his vehicle.

There are many factors, her nerves, the time of day, the real world versus her training. It's tough, but it doesn't matter what the peep has done.

Some perps have been found eating a human's face and have not been shot. Something was clearly wrong with that person.

Some people have been shot for non compliance due to "not looking right" as something was clearly wrong with the individual.

I've seen perps carrying weapons, aiming at police, firing at choppers and taken down without a shot fired.

Supposedly, in the North Carolina shooting, thebcip that did the shooting was called out to be black. Eyewitnesses say the cop was white. I don't care about the skin color anymore.

In Boston, a man was detained by police for fleeing due to a partial description of a suspect. That man wasn't shot even though cops say a gun was around the area they were. The man was not guilty.

The female officer has to be accountable, any officer has to be accountable for that bullet that leaves the chamber. It's also believed she cleared the car of any threats. So, we'll have to see what happens when everything comes to light.
http://on.ktla.com/Y3rg6

 

[Johnnypenso]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/1...that-killed-2-california-police-officers.html

California prosecutors charged a gang member with first-degree murder and other crimes Wednesday in the ambush shootings of two Palm Springs officers, saying he deliberately attacked them for no reason except to kill police.

John Hernandez Felix, 26, faces special-circumstance allegations of murder of a police officer in the line of duty, multiple murders and lying in wait that qualify him for the death penalty, Riverside County District Attorney Michael Hestrin told reporters. Prosecutors will decide within three weeks whether to seek capital punishment.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/1...remely-critical-condition-after-shooting.html

Two Boston police officers were “extremely critical” after a man wearing body armor and armed with an assault rifle shot them multiple times, police said Thursday. Police Commissioner William Evans said the suspect, identified as 33-year-old Kirk Figueroa, fired at the officers late Wednesday night after they arrived at an East Boston home. Several other officers who were stationed outside ran inside and exchanged fire with the gunman.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/07/la-county-sheriff-sergeant-killing-calculated-execution.html

A gunman first shot and wounded a Los Angeles County sheriff's sergeant before standing over him and pumping four bullets into his body, Sheriff Jim McDonnell says. The new comments came Thursday in the death of Sgt. Steven Owen, which McDonnell called a "calculated execution."

 

[Parker]

In these past few months, I've had more people come up to me and shake my hand, hug me, pay for my meals or thank me for my service than I have in the 4 years I've been LEO. Most people can see past the idiots in "Black Lives Matter" and know that we do everything we can to make their communities safer. Unfortunately, criminals are starting to realize that some Officers are less likely to initiate stops due to claims of racism and a lot of cities are experiencing a spike in crime rates because of this. I've also had more threats against myself and my family (when someone says they're going to kill me I tend to believe them, one of the reasons I carry everywhere I go) in these past few months but that is to be expected, I think.

Oh well, 21 more years until I can retire!

 

[Johnnypenso]

In these past few months, I've had more people come up to me and shake my hand, hug me, pay for my meals or thank me for my service than I have in the 4 years I've been LEO. Most people can see past the idiots in "Black Lives Matter" and know that we do everything we can to make their communities safer. Unfortunately, criminals are starting to realize that some Officers are less likely to initiate stops due to claims of racism and a lot of cities are experiencing a spike in crime rates because of this. I've also had more threats against myself and my family (when someone says they're going to kill me I tend to believe them, one of the reasons I carry everywhere I go) in these past few months but that is to be expected, I think.

Oh well, 21 more years until I can retire!

And some officers are becoming gun shy with dire personal consequences:

http://abc7chicago.com/news/chicago-cop-says-she-feared-using-gun-while-being-beaten/1543015/

 

[Parker]

And some officers are becoming gun shy with dire personal consequences:

http://abc7chicago.com/news/chicago-cop-says-she-feared-using-gun-while-being-beaten/1543015/

I've seen that. While that is absolutely terrible, she should be done as an Officer. She is going to get someone killed, whether it is a fellow Officer or a citizen, if she won't use her firearm when she needs to.

 

[05XR8]

She and many officers like her, are not ready.

 

[McLaren]

In these past few months, I've had more people come up to me and shake my hand, hug me, pay for my meals or thank me for my service than I have in the 4 years I've been LEO. Most people can see past the idiots in "Black Lives Matter" and know that we do everything we can to make their communities safer. Unfortunately, criminals are starting to realize that some Officers are less likely to initiate stops due to claims of racism and a lot of cities are experiencing a spike in crime rates because of this. I've also had more threats against myself and my family (when someone says they're going to kill me I tend to believe them, one of the reasons I carry everywhere I go) in these past few months but that is to be expected, I think.

Oh well, 21 more years until I can retire!

That's one of the few things that restores some faith in humanity. Outside of the media, BLM, & ol' 49ers boy, it seems most people in the real world do appreciate you & the fact you take on a risk that keeps us, the general population, away from a different world of people.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

And some officers are becoming gun shy with dire personal consequences:

http://abc7chicago.com/news/chicago-cop-says-she-feared-using-gun-while-being-beaten/1543015/

Here is new video of this.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ting-of-Chicago-Police-Officer-397152341.html

 

[05XR8]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...izes-for-historic-mistreatment-of-minorities/

 

[LeMansAid]

"Mistreatment of communities of color", people of colour, people of colour, people of colour......... blah, blah, blah.

Of course police discriminate against black people. I imagine a large portion of them consciously or subconsciously discriminate against anyone that they perceive is a greater threat and/or is a lower form of human. This will include black people and various other ethnicities, but also the poor, the homeless, people from alternative lifestyle cultures, people with old cars on blocks in their front yard, drunk people, weird looking people..... I could go on. They're supposed to defy the pull of what their experience or external influence has taught them, and treat all people as unique individuals - but they don't, and I can sympathise to an extent.

There is certainly a problem, but a lazy, self-interested, and just plain faulty diagnosis has been made, which has resulted in a fixation on race, and "kid gloves" being used on some black people (with dire results - see recently posted story), along with no recognition of the discrimination faced by other demographics. There's no doubt that some cops are just plain racist and would treat any target race or ethnicity with prejudice and disdain - but that exists everywhere, or thereabouts. It's the assertion that there's racial prejudice beyond the norm in regards to the police that shows the error of a shallow interrogation of a wrong, in how people judge the issue.

When you make it about black people, you make it not about all the other people that are wrongly discriminated against (by focusing on a logical fallacy, and not the true pivot point), and you make it racist where it's not. Well done, you've manufactured more racism.

 

[BobK]

When you make it about black people, you make it not about all the other people that are wrongly discriminated against (by focusing on a logical fallacy, and not the true pivot point), and you make it racist where it's not. Well done, you've manufactured more racism.

But making it racist sells more newspapers. Plus, it contributes to riots. Which sells even more newspapers. So there you have it.

 

[Johnnypenso]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/02/us/iowa-police-shooting/index.html

Two Iowa police officers were found fatally shot in their squad vehicles at separate intersections in the Des Moines area early Wednesday, and police are urgently hunting for a man they've named as a suspect in the deaths. "There is a clear and present danger to police officers right now," an emotional Des Moines police Sgt. Paul Parizek told reporters.

"On the surface right now ... it doesn't look like there was any interaction between these officers and whoever the coward is that shot them while they sat in their cars," Parizek said, holding back tears.
"In all appearances it looks ... that these officers were ambushed," he added.

 

[Joey D]

Urbandale police had asked Greene to leave a high school football game about two weeks ago, prompting him to complain that police were infringing on his rights, McCarty told reporters.
Greene was asked to leave after he waved a Confederate flag in front of "people of color" during the national anthem, and other people complained it was offensive, McCarty said.

Dude sounds like a real douche-canoe, even before shooting the officers. I mean how irritating of an individual must you be to protest at a high school football game?

Sad about the officers, needlessly killed in the line of duty.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Dude sounds like a real douche-canoe, even before shooting the officers. I mean how irritating of an individual must you be to protest at a high school football game?

Sad about the officers, needlessly killed in the line of duty.

It goes without saying that there's zero justification for what he did and he might be a less than respectable citizen, but I don't believe there's a law against having a confederate flag and it's certainly not a justification for being assaulted while watching a sporting event, as he alleged.

 

[Johnnypenso]

delete double

 

[Joey D]

It goes without saying that there's zero justification for what he did and he might be a less than respectable citizen, but I don't believe there's a law against having a confederate flag and it's certainly not a justification for being assaulted while watching a sporting event, as he alleged.

Oh he has the right to wave around a confederate flag, but that doesn't make him any less of a pathetic d-bag for doing it at a high school football game. He sounds like the kind of person that does something that he knows will cause a fuss just so he can bitch about his rights being trampled on. I think anyone with any common sense can see that a high school sporting event is hardly the medium for someone to push forward their agenda.

 

[LeMansAid]

He sounds like the kind of person that does something that he knows will cause a fuss just so he can bitch about his rights being trampled on.

Very much agree.

I think anyone with any common sense can see that a high school sporting event is hardly the medium for someone to push forward their agenda.

Why so? Too sporty? Too high schooly?

How would you feel if someone simply held a rainbow version of the US flag during the national anthem at the same event? What about a flag accusing the government of neglecting veterans, and asking for donations toward a particular fund that aids with psychological treatment of returned service people? For me, they would be by degrees more acceptable statements, made in more acceptable ways, but no different when it comes to judging what people should and shouldn't have the right to do, and what is the right medium. You going to tell them that a high school sports event is no place for their "fund the better mental health of war veterans, because we can't rely on our government" agenda, and that common sense should have told them that?

 

[Northstar]

Why so? Too sporty? Too high schooly?

It would be nice if we could go and do something without being reminded about what a terrible world we live in. Something innocent enough as a high school sports event seems like it should be one of those places.

 

[Joey D]

Why so? Too sporty? Too high schooly?

How would you feel if someone simply held a rainbow version of the US flag during the national anthem at the same event? What about a flag accusing the government of neglecting veterans, and asking for donations toward a particular fund that aids with psychological treatment of returned service people? For me, they would be by degrees more acceptable statements, made in more acceptable ways, but no different when it comes to judging what people should and shouldn't have the right to do, and what is the right medium. You going to tell them that a high school sports event is no place for their "fund the better mental health of war veterans, because we can't rely on our government" agenda, and that common sense should have told them that?

It's a kid's sporting event, meant for families, friends, and classmates to come together to root for their school, not push a political agenda. And it doesn't matter what is being protested, gay rights, war, abortion, or any other hot issue, I would think if you're protesting at a high school football game you're just an enormous douche looking to piss people off that probably at that moment don't care what you have to say.

If you have a concern with your community, bring it to one of the many open meetings every city, town, district, etc have every month. It's at least the correct platform in which to voice your opinion and you're around people that will at least pretend like they care because they're being paid to do so.

 

[Johnnypenso]

It's a kid's sporting event, meant for families, friends, and classmates to come together to root for their school, not push a political agenda. And it doesn't matter what is being protested, gay rights, war, abortion, or any other hot issue, I would think if you're protesting at a high school football game you're just an enormous douche looking to piss people off that probably at that moment don't care what you have to say.

If you have a concern with your community, bring it to one of the many open meetings every city, town, district, etc have every month. It's at least the correct platform in which to voice your opinion and you're around people that will at least pretend like they care because they're being paid to do so.

Who gets to decide when and where these correct platforms are? What qualifies as protest? If a gay couple show up with huge rainbow flags on the backs of their t-shirts can we throw french fries at them for disrupting our hockey game with political protest? If a guy sits down beside me at Tim Horton's when I'm whispering sweet nothings in my immigrant Filipino gf's ear while scarfing down a new apple pie fritter and leans over and says, "those damn foreigners are taking over", can I punch him in the face because he didn't do it a city council meeting?

 

[Northstar]

Who gets to decide when and where these correct platforms are?

It's called common sense and the phrase "just because you can doesn't mean you should".

If a gay couple show up with huge rainbow flags on the backs of their t-shirts

That wouldn't be an actual protest unless they got up and actively tried disrupting things.

can we throw french fries at them for disrupting our hockey game with political protest?

Really? No, seriously. really?

can I punch him in the face because he didn't do it a city council meeting?

How did we go from asking a dillhole protestor to leave to throwing fries and punches?

 

[Johnnypenso]

It's called common sense and the phrase "just because you can doesn't mean you should".

Who decides what's common sense and therefore allowed and what is not?

That wouldn't be an actual protest unless they got up and actively tried disrupting things.

It's not a protest to you, might be to someone else that doesn't want to see it.

Really? No, seriously. really?

Sure, why not?

How did we go from asking a dillhole protestor to leave to throwing fries and punches?

In the video of him being escorted out, he claims he was assaulted in the stands.

 

[LeMansAid]

It's a kid's sporting event, meant for families, friends, and classmates to come together to root for their school, not push a political agenda.

How would you describe what the Olympic Games are "meant for"?

Confident that you know where I'm going with this.

 

[Joey D]

Who gets to decide when and where these correct platforms are? What qualifies as protest? If a gay couple show up with huge rainbow flags on the backs of their t-shirts can we throw french fries at them for disrupting our hockey game with political protest? If a guy sits down beside me at Tim Horton's when I'm whispering sweet nothings in my immigrant Filipino gf's ear while scarfing down a new apple pie fritter and leans over and says, "those damn foreigners are taking over", can I punch him in the face because he didn't do it a city council meeting?

I don't know, I say use you're head and you can pretty much figure out where you shouldn't protest. Plus if you're waving a confederate flag around at people of color, that could very well be defined as hate speech and is illegal in the US. So regardless of where you're doing it that kind of protest probably isn't kosher.

And no, you can't throw fries at someone at a hockey game, that's being an ass and chances are could be considered harassment. If an usher, team representative, or the like made them leave then it would be different since it's not harassment and they would have the right to do so since most sporting events are held in privately owned buildings.

If someone started whispering "sweet nothings" in your girlfriends ear, then that's sexual harassment and is illegal.

How would you describe what the Olympic Games are "meant for"?

It's to attempt to make money for a city, but ultimately fails in doing so. Sponsors though and NBC, they're the real winners. If you want to form some sort of protest there, be my guess since it would be like protesting at the Super Bowl or during the World Series.

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I've said my piece though and I'm tapping out, I can't be bothered with the way this discussion is probably going to go after this. I can respect that you think a high school sporting event is an appropriate place to protest non-whites in the US.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I've said my piece though and I'm tapping out, I can't be bothered with the way this discussion is probably going to go after this. I can respect that you think a high school sporting event is an appropriate place to protest non-whites in the US.

Who said it was an appropriate place to protest and who said it was protesting non-whites in the U.S.?

 

[LeMansAid]

It's to attempt to make money for a city, but ultimately fails in doing so. Sponsors though and NBC, they're the real winners. If you want to form some sort of protest there, be my guess since it would be like protesting at the Super Bowl or during the World Series.

I'm tapping out

Ok, and since it's pretty much off topic anyway, I'll leave it as well, but with a trailing image. Sad that your rationale would condemn such a powerful and poignant statement on human rights abuses as douche behaviour.

*Tangent to the tangent - it's both heart warming and heart breaking how "the forgotten" man's life impacted on and was impacted by that moment.

 

[Johnnypenso]

http://www.ktuu.com/content/news/APD-Man-killed-officer-wounded-in-downtown-shooting-400939936.html

An Anchorage police officer is undergoing emergency surgery after being shot multiple times in an 'ambush' attack, Police Chief Chris Tolley said in a press conference Saturday morning.

The shooting took place at about 4:30 a.m. near 5th Avenue and Cordova Street when the officer was trying to identify a theft suspect.

 

[Keef]

http://www.ktuu.com/content/news/APD-Man-killed-officer-wounded-in-downtown-shooting-400939936.html

In Alaska? What the hell?

 

[prousonhairy]

In Alaska? What the hell?

Alaska law enforcement has one of the most dangerous jobs, in any law enforcement. Excessive amounts of drunk people, especially when the "midnight sun" is in effect, and almost everyone carries a gun. Haven't you ever watched Alaska State troopers?

You wouldn't really think it, but there's a bunch of crazy people(not saying the majority or anything) up there. Plus a lot of wanted felons from the lower 48, like to go up there to "disappear"