The "war on police" in America

[Sanji Himura]

Fox is reporting that Freddie Gray's toxicology report rings positive for heroin and marijuana, according to a cop who wished to remain anonymous. Further more, the reason for the arrest seems to have stemmed from police observing Gray in an alleged drug deal.

As far as the State Attorney Marilyn Mosley is concerned, she has a conflict of interest. According to the Baltimore chapter of the Fraternal Order of Police, she is married to Baltimore city councilman Nick Mosley. In addition, the person who conducted the Gray investigation on the State Attorney Office's behalf, Janice Bledsoe, is in a relationship with WBAL-TV reporter Jayne Miller.

“These conflicts," the Fraternal Order of Police wrote in a letter sent to Mosley's office, "include the lead prosecutor’s connections with members of the local media. Based on several nationally televised interviews, these reporters are likely to be witnesses in any potential litigation regarding this incident.”

 

[TenEightyOne]

Fox is reporting that Freddie Gray's toxicology report rings positive for heroin and marijuana, according to a cop who wished to remain anonymous. Further more, the reason for the arrest seems to have stemmed from police observing Gray in an alleged drug deal.

As far as the State Attorney Marilyn Mosley is concerned, she has a conflict of interest. According to the Baltimore chapter of the Fraternal Order of Police, she is married to Baltimore city councilman Nick Mosley. In addition, the person who conducted the Gray investigation on the State Attorney Office's behalf, Janice Bledsoe, is in a relationship with WBAL-TV reporter Jayne Miller.

“These conflicts," the Fraternal Order of Police wrote in a letter sent to Mosley's office, "include the lead prosecutor’s connections with members of the local media. Based on several nationally televised interviews, these reporters are likely to be witnesses in any potential litigation regarding this incident.”

Interesting.

What remain are separate cases though.

1) Did the officers have probable cause to attempt to arrest Gray? If it's true that he fled on sight of them then I'd say they did, particularly if he was already known to them.

2) Should he have been restrained appropriately in the transport? I think most people would say that the answer was yes. Treatment of him in the van isn't borne upon by the accuracy of his initial arrest.

My opinion, and only my opinion, is that on balance the officers (or one or some of them) involved in his transport are likely guilty of wrongdoing that is at least manslaughter. Full-on murder... I genuinely doubt it.

That doesn't mean they're guilty but I think it's right and proper that charges are brought in order for the case to be properly, openly examined. The respective legal teams will have all the time that they need to pour doubt on the opposite parties and their links... but it's important that it's read in the open along with the remainder of the case.

 

[Sanji Himura]

Interesting.

What remain are separate cases though.

1) Did the officers have probable cause to attempt to arrest Gray? If it's true that he fled on sight of them then I'd say they did, particularly if he was already known to them.

2) Should he have been restrained appropriately in the transport? I think most people would say that the answer was yes. Treatment of him in the van isn't borne upon by the accuracy of his initial arrest.

My opinion, and only my opinion, is that on balance the officers (or one or some of them) involved in his transport are likely guilty of wrongdoing that is at least manslaughter. Full-on murder... I genuinely doubt it.

That doesn't mean they're guilty but I think it's right and proper that charges are brought in order for the case to be properly, openly examined. The respective legal teams will have all the time that they need to pour doubt on the opposite parties and their links... but it's important that it's read in the open along with the remainder of the case.

That points out the critical weakness in our legal system. The prosecutors in this country overcharges suspects in a hope to get them to cop a plea deal for a lesser charge, despite the evidence. The Friday riots in Baltimore wasn't sparked by the fact that a murder charge was issued, those 🤬 wanted all six of the officers involved in Gray's arrest to be charged with murder.

As things stand, as long as Mosley is prosecuting the case, those six will have no fair trial. What they will have is a show trial to appease the Black community and that mayor who told the cops to stand down and let the rioters destroy things. If anything, an appellate court will have to step in and put a stop to the lynch mob.

 

[TenEightyOne]

The prosecutors in this country overcharges suspects in a hope to get them to cop a plea deal for a lesser charge, despite the evidence.

Source required.

The Friday riots in Baltimore wasn't sparked by the fact that a murder charge was issued, those 🤬 wanted all six of the officers involved in Gray's arrest to be charged with murder.

Source required. Why wouldn't they have wanted that at the time when fuller facts weren't known? It would seem to be a reasonable approach.

As things stand, as long as Mosley is prosecuting the case, those six will have no fair trial.

Guess what?

What they will have is a show trial to appease the Black community...

Ah, only black communities have an interest in due process. Noted.

and that mayor who told the cops to stand down and let the rioters destroy things.

Source required. Even Fox aren't making that full claim.

If anything, an appellate court will have to step in and put a stop to the lynch mob.

Seems like that might be your kind of justice

 

[Johnnypenso]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...-cop-shot-in-head-manhunt-begins-for-suspect/

A plainclothes NYPD cop was shot in the head in Queens Saturday — and a massive manhunt was underway for the gunman, sources told the Daily News.

The unidentified cop was wounded at 212th St. and 104th Ave. in Queens Village after getting into a confrontation with the assailant, sources said.

The officer was rushed to Jamaica Hospital in a patrol car. His condition was unknown

 

[mustafur]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...-cop-shot-in-head-manhunt-begins-for-suspect/

Why is that news?

Local news at best.

 

[Keef]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...-cop-shot-in-head-manhunt-begins-for-suspect/

What happens if you exercise self defense against a plain-clothes officer? In my opinion, maybe he shouldn't have been wearing plain clothes.

 

[Northstar]

What happens if you exercise self defense against a plain-clothes officer? In my opinion, maybe he shouldn't have been wearing plain clothes.

Granted we know very little, but it sounds they were just walking up to the guy. Does that really warrant trying to blow someones head off?

I get you want to do the whole anarchy thing, but surely the mere act of approaching someone wouldn't necessitate using deadly force.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Why is that news?

Local news at best.

The "war on police" in America.

What happens if you exercise self defense against a plain-clothes officer? In my opinion, maybe he shouldn't have been wearing plain clothes.

Sounds like you have the case all figured out. Have you contacted the NYPD with this vital information?

 

[Keef]

Sounds like you have the case all figured out. Have you contacted the NYPD with this vital information?

Last time I contacted the NYPD they magically forgot to put the accident report into their system. I won't be contacting them again. I don't care how serious my issue is - I'm from Ohio so I won't be contacting the NYPD again.

 

[Northstar]

Last time I contacted the NYPD they magically forgot to put the accident report into their system. I won't be contacting them again. I don't care how serious my issue is - I'm from Ohio so I won't be contacting the NYPD again.

You would make a geat politician...

 

[Omnis]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-freddie-gray-mosby-20150505-story.html

I think the entire government of Baltimore is set to be completely embarrassed by this fiasco.

 

[mustafur]

I think it's clearly obvious it was crowd control as how could something soo complex be solved soo quickly.

 

[Johnnypenso]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-freddie-gray-mosby-20150505-story.html

I think the entire government of Baltimore is set to be completely embarrassed by this fiasco.

The first thing I thought of when I heard the description of what happened with the arrest, ie. Freddy Gray making eye contact and then running, reminded me of cop shows I used to watch when I was a kid and that's how the cool plain clothes cops would talk to snitches. Pretend to run them down, then around the corner talk to them when out of sight. I wonder if that's possible in this case. It'll come out in the trial if so.

Agreed though, the charges were pretty hasty. Unless the prosecutor has some aces up her sleeve, it's going to be an incendiary trial.

 

[TenEightyOne]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-freddie-gray-mosby-20150505-story.html

I think the entire government of Baltimore is set to be completely embarrassed by this fiasco.

That's a very strong article reminiscent of the shock tabloids in the UK. Is the fact that the Chicago Tribune is a Republican paper and that Baltimore has a Democrat government anything to do with it?

To my mind it seems sensible that the officers involved should all face a charge and undergo due process even if that means the charges being withdrawn. That's particularly timely given the worry across the US about police procedures in arrests that have fatal consequences.

 

[squadops]

We have citizen oversight groups but their actions are rarely reported on so I don't know much about them. I'm pretty sure they have access to information not given out to the public and so on, there must be an association with the city governments also. I do know when there are enough complaints in an area the Department of Justice will step in and investigate police departments and specific incidents.

I'm saying all of this because I don't think we should just start arresting police in order to have thorough and transparent investigations into this sort of occurrence. Some better organization on the part of local government coupled with citizen participation and aid from the DOJ if appropriate. Something like that anyway.

 

[FoolKiller]

To my mind it seems sensible that the officers involved should all face a charge and undergo due process even if that means the charges being withdrawn. That's particularly timely given the worry across the US about police procedures in arrests that have fatal consequences.

The issue with moving quickly, without all the information or a grand jury recommendation is that it can cause a guilty party to get rushed to trial. If the prosecution lacks the proper evidence to prove their charges the defendants are found not guilty. If evidence is found later the same charges cannot be brought up due to double jeopardy laws.

The prosecution also runs the risk of overreaching. This is what I believe has been the issue in both the Casey Anthony and George Zuckerman trials. There was no evidence of 1st degree murder, but it is clear that something happened. Both those cases appeared to have prosecutors rush to charges under pressure. Had they sucked up the political and public pressure they may have had enough evidence to bring appropriate charges and been able to get a different outcome in court.

 

[Johnnypenso]

2 MISSISSIPPI OFFICERS FATALLY SHOT; 3 SUSPECTS ARRESTED

Two Mississippi police officers were shot to death during an evening traffic stop turned violent, a state law enforcement spokesman said Sunday. Three suspects were in custody, including two who are charged with capital murder.

The deaths of the officers - the first to hit Hattiesburg in three decades - were felt far and wide in this small southern Mississippi city. Gov. Phil Bryant released a statement saying he was "mourning" the loss of the officers.

 

[Johnnypenso]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ssaults-police-officer-trying-to-make-arrest/

A police statement says Low became combative and attempted to run before the officer wrestled him to the ground. Cmdr. Vince Pryce says a crowd gathered and began striking and pulling at the officer, who took out his Taser and told “the aggressive advancing crowd” to get back.

Pryce says the officer suffered cuts and bruises.

 

[IforceV8]

Lucky for him he was drinking while white.

 

[LeMansAid]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...-cop-shot-in-head-manhunt-begins-for-suspect/

The officer was rushed to Jamaica Hospital

Cops just can't catch a break these days. Couldn't they find anywhere closer?

 

[andrea]

Does this buffoon know how utterly ridiculous he looks running around like robocop after teenagers and body slamming teenage girls into the ground? Amazing how the bystanding adults did nothing to protect the children.

 

[Northstar]

Does this buffoon know how utterly ridiculous he looks running around

Scientists are still working on a way to trip without looking like a buffoon. They have had little luck.

body slamming teenage girls into the ground?

Where is this body slam? All I saw was a cop using a fairly standard police take-down on someone that was being stupid and not listening.

Amazing how the bystanding adults did nothing to protect the children.

Protect them from what? I saw no excessive force in the video and the only time a gun was pulled was when some idiot was walking towards the cop while reaching for his back pocket. They all also appear to be around 16 or 17, plenty old enough to listen to a cop when they tell you to do something (which most of the teenagers seemed to do without incident).

I'm all for holding police officers accountable when they do use excessive force, this doesn't appear to be one of those cases though (at least to the magnitude people are making it out to be).

 

[Grayfox]

Apparently the kids weren't from the "area" and did not move along when "ordered" to.

It was at a pool party, if it was a public invite they can be there and the cops cant do much as they have a right to be there.
If it was a public pool, they can be their and the cops cant do much as they have a right to be there.

 

[McLaren]

It's not a public pool. It's a HOA community & these kids reportedly hopped the fence when the security at the neighborhood entrance turned them away. They were trespassing.

 

[andrea]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/davidmack/t...nded-after-pulling-weapon-on-teens#.utkL6Mq6q

Cops weren't called because of someone breaking a couple of HOA rules about pool usage. Cops were called because an insane lady started fighting minors.

This insane lady, mind you, was part of the HOA, so it was actually because of her that the situation escalated out of control.

Furthermore. Did the kids know they were breaking those rules? She was 14 years old.

If I was invited to a party at a community pool from a resident I don't think I would go look up the by laws first to check. As far as they know, they were invited! And even so, why are only the black kids being punished and abused for breaking the rules? (Mixed group)

I was also wondering why the boy filming was able to continue filming. Simple, he was white.

Scientists are still working on a way to trip without looking like a buffoon. They have had little luck.

Where is this body slam? All I saw was a cop using a fairly standard police take-down on someone that was being stupid and not listening.

Protect them from what? I saw no excessive force in the video and the only time a gun was pulled was when some idiot was walking towards the cop while reaching for his back pocket. They all also appear to be around 16 or 17, plenty old enough to listen to a cop when they tell you to do something (which most of the teenagers seemed to do without incident).

I'm all for holding police officers accountable when they do use excessive force, this doesn't appear to be one of those cases though (at least to the magnitude people are making it out to be).

ayy lmao

Guilty of assault and battery of children, clear child abuse. Utterly incapable of controlling either himself or the situation.

Cops like that are basically like children having tantrums. They can't handle a situation with words so they immediately resort to violence. Pathetic.

 

[Carbonox]

They're teenagers, by the way. Lumping all of them as "children" doesn't really help get the message across.

 

[andrea]

Some very transparent people in here.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Some very transparent people in here.

You should start a new thread on the same topic. Oh, wait.

 

[BobK]

Did the kids know they were breaking those rules? She was 14 years old.

When you're turned away at the entrance to the community and have to hop the fence to get in, that's a pretty good clue you're doing something wrong. Even a 14-year old can figure that out.