The Wheel Inherent Advantage

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HornetX1
It's about time those of you that use wheels stop lying to yourselves & starting accepting that the racing wheels have an inherent advantage over the controllers. They always have & always will.

You can be low A/S driver skill/ability wise, & easily compete with higher A/S maybe even low A+/S drivers on pads.

Basically, once you get fully adjusted to the wheel (& This could take days, or weeks or months, it's varied & certainly not an easy transition)... You will always be able to lunch above your weight skill wise until you start coming across other wheel users.

I've said it for years, sport mode should split the playerbase further by hardware...or at the very least, give us the OPTION, of joining timeslots & selecting our hardware so that we get matched with others using the same equipment.

Or maybe not selecting because you'd 100% get wheel users looking for low skill easy wins. But seen as it's a first party game I'm almost certain they could detect the hardware you're on, & then do some kind of check again a few times mid race to make sure nobody switches over.

That's all semantics anyway.

It's time for wheel users to stop trying to lie to themselves & pretend that the wheel isn't "that much of an advantage" so that they can feel good about winning raced Vs controllers.

The wheel is a giant advantage, and that gap has clearly increased on GT7.
Here are some of the advantages to using a wheel:

  • Wheels have way finer controls, allowing for more precise inputs on the throttle, brakes & steering...
  • They have a much better ability to rotate the car & easily maintain control...it's no surprise that literally all the top lap times every week feature dumb powersliding into every corner & they're all wheel users (yes I've asked them).
  • Much better tyre wear. Controllers still have issues with bad tyre wear
  • Related to the finer controls, they're FAR less prone to making mistakes. Racing at the top end against wheel users on a controller is ridiculously difficult & feels like you're on a knife edge at all times. The margin for error on controller (all assists off apart from abs, & using manual) is TINY.
  • No stick drift! Yet another issue with controllers, especially the Dualsense, is the horrendous stick drift after a few months (4 controllers replaced already)

The only advantage of using a controller is the lack of fatigue. Depending on how you're set up, I can imagine some longer races would fatigue some people on a wheel, whereas a controller is all in the fingers so there's zero fatigue even after a few hours.

Time to put an end to the defensive myth spread by wheel users. No it's not an even playing field, yes you do have a significant advantage, & yes you should be forced to play against others with the same equipment. I don't care if it cuts the playerbase down... There's definitely more than 16 people in each major region using wheels, so there's at least one full session.

Oh, I almost forgot... Tracks with camber

Yes wheek users, not only do you have an inherent hardware advantage, but it's even more pronounced on tracks with camber. Because even on max sensitivity controller users stueggle to rotate the car on cambered corners.

I'd love the top pros do a mixed championship where half of them have to use wheels, & the other half controllers , & then mix it up & just see how they all perform to finally spread the word to all the delusional wheel users out there.

I'm sure you'll all enjoy reading everything I left here for you, I look forward to reading all your lovely little replies.
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Is that why I had no choice but to use a pad for the drifting missions? Maybe my wheel was too good. 🤔
 
Pigems
Is that why I had no choice but to use a pad for the drifting missions? Maybe my wheel was too good. 🤔
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Each has its advantages and disadvantages. Pad is more fun, better for drifting and value for money. Wheels are better for raw pace, stint pace, consistency, tyre management, fuel conservation, wheel to wheel racing, oval racing, mapping more buttons and YouTuber clout.
 
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Does one also get an advantage with my cosmic red controller over those with the original white one?? Asking for a friend!
 
dhandeh
Don't forget separate leaderboards for what view you use, and another for what assists you use, then another for the size of your screen...
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While we're on that...

Can I get my own leaderboard? It needs to be for me because;

I use a controller for rally, drift and most wet races.
I'll switch between manual and automatic depending on the track or car (that Tomahawk Tokyo cheese has to be done in manual).
Sometimes I can't be bothered to setup the wheel.
My controller uses longer sticks which gives more precise input, but not as precise as a wheel, but definitely more precise than the standard sticks.

But sometimes I also like to use a wheel, although I haven't had it that long, so I'm not as quick with the wheel in some races as I am with the controller.
 
Pigems
Is that why I had no choice but to use a pad for the drifting missions? Maybe my wheel was too good. 🤔
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That hidden assist for steering with the stick sure comes in handy. It’s almost as if controller users don’t have much to complain about 🤔
 
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Oi Oi JC
Just buy a wheel then! 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️
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I'm fairly sure that OPs next thread is going to be about how people who went to College/University and got degrees are inherently more likely to land good jobs, resulting in them being able to afford wheels/better wheels than anyone else, especially people working minimal wage who cannot afford wheels at all... And how PD should have separate groups for people who earn 5-figures, 6-figures and 7-figures per year.
 
This was a roaring success.

An excessive amount of GTP sodium in here. I should really make a fan site so you can all visit & take in all the wisdom I have to give.

Thanks all, think I'll go take a nap. I'll be sure to give you guys some more knowledge & discussion topics to satiate your appetites later in the week.
 
HornetX1
This was a roaring success.

An excessive amount of GTP sodium in here. I should really make a fan site so you can all visit & take in all the wisdom I have to give.

Thanks all, think I'll go take a nap. I'll be sure to give you guys some more knowledge & discussion topics to satiate your appetites later in the week.
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Out of curiosity, were you the dude that had a weird obsession with testosterone, or the dude that had a weird flex going on for being an aerospace engineer...? Because something about this all sounds fairly familiar.
 
Veinz
The controller is just as capable as a wheel, all it takes is practice. The only reason why we don’t see controller players in the world tour is because pd wont allow it.
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Indeed. If they did allow it, in fairly certain there's at least 2 who would be using it in finals.
 
Something I always thought would be nice to have for each racer is an icon/moniker of some kind that indicates what they're using, but always feared it would foster "wheel / controller tribalism" of some kind...guess this thread verifies that to be a horrible idea...was just hoping for some "blame shifting" when I lose...😁
 
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They should add steering input to the bop. Everyone knows the wheel has the highest ceiling so they should add friction the wheel users tires to even up tire wear and the extra speed.
 
Zero2Oblivion
I'm fairly sure that OPs next thread is going to be about how people who went to College/University and got degrees are inherently more likely to land good jobs, resulting in them being able to afford wheels/better wheels than anyone else, especially people working minimal wage who cannot afford wheels at all... And how PD should have separate groups for people who earn 5-figures, 6-figures and 7-figures per year.
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Need a seperate group for those who get London weighting.

Because Southern city folk are weird.
 
HornetX1
This was a roaring success.

An excessive amount of GTP sodium in here. I should really make a fan site so you can all visit & take in all the wisdom I have to give.

Thanks all, think I'll go take a nap. I'll be sure to give you guys some more knowledge & discussion topics to satiate your appetites later in the week.
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Please don't my head hurts :banghead:
 
It seems pretty pointless to separate players based on what they use. Because you already have a driver rating. So it doesn't matter what type of hardware or assists you use.

YES, a wheel at the top end of performance will definitely beat a controller most of the time. The wheel is simply a better design for a driving game than anything else, in the same way a KeyBoard + Mouse is also a better design than a controller for shooter/FPS games.

The controller is just a balance for all types of games. You can still be incredibly good in shooters with a controller and you can also be a very good driver with it in a car racing game.

I'm currently a DR: A driver, was once an A+ (tanked my ability to cheese through the wins in GT Sport) and all of this while using a controller. And some of the players I've beaten or raced against were using a wheel... At the end of the day, even if you have a wheel, you still need to adapt and be actually good at the game. If the driver rating is similar, it really doesn't matter.

And by the way, people who have a wheel probably spent an extra 200-300€ on it, it's only natural for them, after perfecting it, to be better than even the best controller users. The car racing games, especially those closer to sims or actual sims, will always favour wheel+pedals over controllers. It's just the realistic way to do it. Otherwise why companies would even bother with all of the sophisticated and expensive wheels on the market? It's not just for immersion...

People thought that the Vettel challenges in GT5 pre-patch (before controller sensivity patch) were impossible with a controller and yet a few people did it, myself included. What it took? Well, quite a few dozens of hours and grief, but it was done wasn't it?
 
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HornetX1
It's about time those of you that use wheels stop lying to yourselves & starting accepting that the racing wheels have an inherent advantage over the controllers. They always have & always will.

You can be low A/S driver skill/ability wise, & easily compete with higher A/S maybe even low A+/S drivers on pads.

Basically, once you get fully adjusted to the wheel (& This could take days, or weeks or months, it's varied & certainly not an easy transition)... You will always be able to lunch above your weight skill wise until you start coming across other wheel users.

I've said it for years, sport mode should split the playerbase further by hardware...or at the very least, give us the OPTION, of joining timeslots & selecting our hardware so that we get matched with others using the same equipment.

Or maybe not selecting because you'd 100% get wheel users looking for low skill easy wins. But seen as it's a first party game I'm almost certain they could detect the hardware you're on, & then do some kind of check again a few times mid race to make sure nobody switches over.

That's all semantics anyway.

It's time for wheel users to stop trying to lie to themselves & pretend that the wheel isn't "that much of an advantage" so that they can feel good about winning raced Vs controllers.

The wheel is a giant advantage, and that gap has clearly increased on GT7.
Here are some of the advantages to using a wheel:

  • Wheels have way finer controls, allowing for more precise inputs on the throttle, brakes & steering...
  • They have a much better ability to rotate the car & easily maintain control...it's no surprise that literally all the top lap times every week feature dumb powersliding into every corner & they're all wheel users (yes I've asked them).
  • Much better tyre wear. Controllers still have issues with bad tyre wear
  • Related to the finer controls, they're FAR less prone to making mistakes. Racing at the top end against wheel users on a controller is ridiculously difficult & feels like you're on a knife edge at all times. The margin for error on controller (all assists off apart from abs, & using manual) is TINY.
  • No stick drift! Yet another issue with controllers, especially the Dualsense, is the horrendous stick drift after a few months (4 controllers replaced already)

The only advantage of using a controller is the lack of fatigue. Depending on how you're set up, I can imagine some longer races would fatigue some people on a wheel, whereas a controller is all in the fingers so there's zero fatigue even after a few hours.

Time to put an end to the defensive myth spread by wheel users. No it's not an even playing field, yes you do have a significant advantage, & yes you should be forced to play against others with the same equipment. I don't care if it cuts the playerbase down... There's definitely more than 16 people in each major region using wheels, so there's at least one full session.

Oh, I almost forgot... Tracks with camber

Yes wheek users, not only do you have an inherent hardware advantage, but it's even more pronounced on tracks with camber. Because even on max sensitivity controller users stueggle to rotate the car on cambered corners.

I'd love the top pros do a mixed championship where half of them have to use wheels, & the other half controllers , & then mix it up & just see how they all perform to finally spread the word to all the delusional wheel users out there.

I'm sure you'll all enjoy reading everything I left here for you, I look forward to reading all your lovely little replies.
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U could have bought a wheel instead of 4 controllers m8 😉
 
Centurion81
U could have bought a wheel instead of 4 controllers m8 😉
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I didn't buy 4 controllers, it's called a warranty.

Part of having hands the size of shovels is that poor quality joysticks drift badly after 1-3 months.

Plus it's a pretty widespread & known issue with the Dualsense, but that's neither here or there. Like I said, working in 6 different countries now, money clearly isn't the issue when it comes to buying a wheel.

If you'd like mate, I can buy a terraced house in peasantville right next door to you, & then buy a wheel in the house that will effectively be my coffin & we can swap tips on setup for the FIA races. Sound good? 👍
 
HornetX1
So buying a wheel, & packing things like that is just not practical for me at all, rather travel light.

I'll get a wheel when I'm living in one place & ready to give up on life 😉
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I am so glad I already gave up on life so I can smack these scrubby pad users in Sport mode 🔥
 
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